2010-02-14, 21:44 | Link #761 |
Snobby Gentleman
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Monterrey, México
Age: 43
|
Clare holds into the past. She chose not to want a future, because she's living on to exact revenge against Priscilla.
I can put it this way literally Teresa is the past for Clare. Revenge against Priscilla is her present and what she lives for to obtain. Laki is the future that she chose not to want. |
2010-02-14, 23:58 | Link #762 |
Dark Lord of Animesuki
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: The Kingdom of Orange...you can't beat the Cuse, in basketball or snowfall!
|
I've got a couple of very interesting variations on translations we've all read. They all concern Dragonkin. Cyclone, if you're around, I'd be interested in hearing if Viz's translation in Chapter 79 are accurate or not.
Viz Version Claymore Chapter 79 page 24: Miria: "It's as though from the start they were made to be used against Awakened Beings or something even greater." Onemanga Translation Claymore Chapter 79 page 24: Miria: "It's as if from the beginning, it's made to be used against Awakened Beings or others." Quite an interesting difference huh? It would imply that Dragonkin are even more dangerous than Awakened Beings. If you're looking for your ultimate monsters, it appears Dragonkin are it according to Viz. The question is, is Viz's translation correct or is the Onemanga translation correct? I ask only because the answer has large ramifications for the rest of the manga. Then there's an interesting bit about the Dragonkin themselves. Viz Version Claymore Chapter 79 page 27: Miria: "One side had allies in a non-human tribe that possessed an impenetrable hide and were said to be the descendants of dragons." Onemanga Translation Claymore Chapter 79 page 27: Miria: "One side can be considered the Dragon's kins. They're said to have non-human comrades that have extremely tough skin." First off, I have to say Viz's translation makes so much more sense than onemanga's. The question I'd like to ask Cyclone and other experts is regarding the "Dragonkin". Does the raw suggest they are kin (like cousins to dragons) or their literal descendants? It's just nobody's clarified this issue. I will say Viz's translation helps clear up one matter. It seems to imply that humans are on both sides of the conflict rather than one side. The other thing that I've noticed is that the Viz translation says that the "impenetrable hide" belongs to the Dragonkin. The onemanga translation suggests that the Dragonkin have other non-human comrades with this tough skin. So then dear Japanese experts, which is it?
__________________
|
2010-02-15, 01:20 | Link #763 | ||
Transient Guest
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Canada
|
Yeah, I'm here.
First, let me say that the FH translation of the chapters around 79 is a travesty. For those chapters, better translations exist (even though FH always had the best cleaning/typesetting). Quote:
As best as I can make out: それ以外の者 - aside from them/these As such I'd give this one to the fan version - which seems to translate it pretty much verbatim. Quote:
From memory: - yes, there are humans on both sides. The other side made allies with an existing race possessing a tough skin as if they were descendants of dragons. Going back to the raw, it indeed says (good - memory works): "daga sono seiryoku ga marude ryuu no matsuei to mo iwareru youna kyouko na gaihi o motsu jingai no shuzoku o nakama ni hiki ire" "But that [other] side, allied themselves with a tribe of non-humans who possess such a strong outer skin as if we could call them descendants of dragons." That's probably the best I can do for you on that translation. What I can say for sure is that it does not say: - dragon kin - impenetrable (but simply 'strong') ----- @Solace: Are you sure we can't have a thread for clearing up translations? It's not like this doesn't come up often. I mean we still have people saying "Zemas" instead of "Zemu/Zem" for the twins and countless other things that get lost in the individual chapter threads. |
||
2010-02-15, 04:59 | Link #764 | |
The Burned Man walks!
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Asspain
Age: 33
|
Quote:
|
|
2010-02-15, 05:27 | Link #765 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
|
Quote:
|
|
2010-02-15, 05:53 | Link #766 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
|
Quote:
A thread for clearing up translations will be nice indeed. And Dragon kin is used for convinince or at least I use it for that. I mean "that tribe that have very though skin and fight ABs on the mainland oh and were said to be the descendants of dragons" is way too long to use. They are indeed probably connected to dragons or such since they seem to be a race rather than artifically created creatures ( of course this miy not be the case) and have though skin. And they sort of looked a bit like dragons and if you take the part about being "descendants of dragons" you could call them Dragon kin since kin basically could be translated as "of the same blood" and for them to have though skin like that they probably need to have the "dragon blood" let's say. Since they are not dragons they are descendant of them but they still have the same blood. To put it simpli kin is the wrong word here but it's not that wrong if you think about it. I'm not saying the translation is accurate since Cyclone understand Japanese and I don't thus clearly I don't have a say but rahter that calling them Dragon-kin as a lack of a better term is a good idea.Or at least it's convenient. Awakened beings or something more powerfull might mean a lot of different things. It probably means an avarage AB since if the formentioned "dragon descendants" (or Dragon kin) were more powerful than an AO they would have won a long time ago. We know that ABs used in that war wipe out everyone they see and eventually get killed which probably means they indeed are able to kill even the Dragonkin. So I doubt they are that much powerfull than your avarege AB. We still don't know many things to say for sure though. And revan5 you missed my long post |
|
2010-02-15, 09:34 | Link #767 | |
Claymore #01
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maldives
|
Quote:
|
|
2010-02-15, 11:32 | Link #768 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
|
Quote:
If she wanted to release her full power then she needed to awake her body without holding back.
__________________
|
|
2010-02-15, 22:39 | Link #770 |
Silver-Eyed Slayer
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: In a fantasy
|
All I can say...
Well, as far as this and the next chapter goes, I can honestly say that I have no idea where the fight between Prissy and Clare is going. Which, when you think about it, makes it really interesting. It allows for almost anything to happen. I kinda find that exciting. Though I do admit, I can't see either one of them dying.
|
2010-02-15, 23:49 | Link #771 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
|
yes it is interesting about the fight, especially what Priscilla said in the end
Priscilla was initially depicted as someone stronger than Abyss, Riful once said "the only way to defeat her is 2 Abyss-level Awaken fight her together" but it seems 2 awaken Alicia and Beth were easily defeated by her, this makes her way too strong for anyone else unless Clare awaken and possess power similar with Priscilla, 3 of them will be killed in an instant (which i dont think will happen) |
2010-02-16, 03:38 | Link #772 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
|
Quote:
|
|
2010-02-16, 07:49 | Link #774 | |
Proud Yuma Lover.
Join Date: Apr 2007
|
Quote:
I wonder if Claire's inability to awaken is something subconcious in her. Jean died to pull her back last time, and that left a serious mental scar on her. And it could well be that awakening and giving up everything, becoming a monster is the mistake Rapheala was trying to warn her about. As much of a power gap as Prisscilla has with everything else except maybe the Destroyer, I don't think Claire could possibly beat her just by awakening. Hell the way things are going, I think that in a few chapters we'll see Priss wipe out the Destroyer.
__________________
|
|
2010-02-16, 09:32 | Link #775 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
|
maybe we can even see Priscilla take down the organisation, attack the 2 armies in the other continent (she can fly and no need to eat), and become the one and only ruler of the world...
i still feel there is something wrong about the power balance |
2010-02-16, 09:52 | Link #776 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Cracow
Age: 46
|
Claymore is a shounen. It's a dark fantasy, but still a shounen. Common theme in action/martial artist shounens is for main protagonist to rise from zero to hero (from dead last warrior to someone equall to no1), as well as constant battles with stronger opponents. Protagonist meet an opponent, is beaten by him, but thanks to hard work became stronger, during final fight thanks to determination founds inner strength. Sometimes instead of determination we see teamwork (power of friendship helps to overcame even most powerful enemy). Yagi is using this theme again and again in Claymore, he just execute it way better than average mangaka. He reversed it only during Theresa - Priscilla fight, but in a way, Priscilla was a hero in that fight.
__________________
|
2010-02-16, 09:58 | Link #777 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
|
Quote:
|
|
2010-02-16, 10:03 | Link #779 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
|
Quote:
|
|
2010-02-16, 21:00 | Link #780 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
|
|