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View Poll Results: Aquarion EVOL - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 18.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 20.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 12.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.62% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 4.62% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.15% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 3.08% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.54% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 18 | 27.69% | |
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2012-06-05, 00:50 | Link #302 | ||
Eaten by goats
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But were they really destined? Apollo and Silvia just promised to meet again in the next life. The cycle that we thought was Celiane and Apollonius always falling in love again due to fate got broken before we even knew it. I can't quite remember myself, but Fudo and perhaps others (In Sousei) have apparently made a point of saying that the characters shouldn't be getting too hung up about their past lives. The king of getting caught up obsessively about the past is Mykage(/Toma). He's an extreme example. I can't see EVOL getting a satisfying ending without finally resolving his issues. It's going to a real groaner if it ends with "And Toma was defeated, but he'll be back next time, even angrier". Quote:
The only things I can think of so far are that Apollo wasn't all Pollon, but that he had some part of Apollonius merged with him, however small. Or perhaps Apollonius for some reason gave Pollon power to access Aquarion. I was joking earlier about him leaving Pollon the car keys, but perhaps he did. It could even have been an accident. Another possibility is that the vector did that because Apollonius was responding to Pollon's soul. It doesn't have to be a power that Pollon possesses himself. |
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2012-06-05, 00:54 | Link #303 |
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Pollon may look like a dog but he is a Shadow Angel like Apollonius. The one that joined him leaving the Shadow Angels siding with the humans.
Apollo said to Rena to stop hiding and come out. What we saw is a vision of howling Pollon and a vision that Apollonius responds. Spoiler:
Any piece of Apollonius whether the Aquarion, Fudo or Rena responds to his friends. In the OVA the reincarnations of Pollon, Scorpius and Celiane being together called forth Aquarion to protect them. (Apollo, Reika and Celiane) In the TV series and Evol the Aquarion responded to Apollo/Amata and Silvia/Mikono. In the original Aquarion it always emphasized on the partnership of the Element pilots. Celiane may have been Apollonius lover but he has a partner in Pollon. |
2012-06-05, 01:05 | Link #304 | |
Eaten by goats
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I like the Aquarion-Fudo-Rena theory a lot right now, because it explains some of the things in Genesis and EVOL, and also because we were given the information about body-heart-soul splits. We must have been given the info for a reason, but none of the main characters in EVOL have turned out to have such a split. If it's a three way split of Apollonius, it works. |
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2012-06-05, 01:16 | Link #305 |
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It doesn't change that they outright lied to fans of the series and trolled Genesis fans majorly. They creators the ones that pushed the Apollonius and Celiane love affair, an don't even say they didn't, than 7 years later they go and say "Oh yeah that? We never planned that. It was always about that stupid dog no one really cared about and his one sided love for his Master's lover.".
Also what message does it send if Mikono and Amata still end up together? It doesn't change that they made a promise through Apollo and Silvia and made their own fate/destiny even if it was under false pretenses. That doesn't support your message at all if that's the case. Especially since Amata is "very" hung up over his past lives and is taking the love his Dog self had, 24,000 years ago, very seriously and has caused a lot of issues for everyone. Further this makes fighting fate even dumber since Apollo and Silvia already made their own fate to be together even if, again, it was under false pretenses and they actually thought that Apollo was Apollonius. |
2012-06-05, 01:21 | Link #306 | |
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2012-06-05, 01:24 | Link #307 | |
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Even Silvia said to Otoha she isn't Celiane anymore but Silvia descendant of Apollonius. |
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2012-06-05, 01:29 | Link #308 |
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Yet they still make a promise to meet together in another life which as resulted in many fail moments from Amata, Kagura, and Mikono because of said promise. Not really setting a good example or message, huh?
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2012-06-05, 01:35 | Link #309 | |
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Amata didn't even know until ep 23 that he was Apollo himself. He hasn't been hung up over his own past life but over what he thought Mikono and Kagura's were. (Yeah, with Kagura being Amata that gets messed up, but Amata didn't know that.) Maybe what we are getting as the true message of EVOL is "make your own fate". Fudo has been saying that to the supporting cast. He showed them that blank page in the book. |
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2012-06-05, 01:49 | Link #310 |
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That fight was stupid because up to that point Amata was all sunshines and rainbows with him being destined for Mikono and her to him. So really, it changes nothing and was them argueing schematics, and even that seemed forced because Amata didn't care up to that point because he's fated to be with her anyway, when they both are going for the same exact thing.
Yes he was hung up over it. Even though he didn't know "Who" he was he did know that that 12,000 promise and fate and destiny along with soulmates being promised for each other which means he was totally gonna get with Mikono because fate/destiny was on his side right? Which, like I said, he was totally fine with it until his Other half started argueing with him over who was more destined to be with her which in itself was really stupid since they're the same person. It isn't making their own fate since, you know, they're reincarnations of past lovers and are trying to recreate that fate by getting back together again. The only way they would be able to fight fate, and make their own destines, is if Mikono doesn't get with either of them which is doubtful. So even the dog revelation doesn't change how poorly written this whole fighting fate thing is. Especially since only Zessica is fighting fate and they're kicking the crap out of her every week and reminding everyone that fighting fate never ends well. |
2012-06-05, 02:10 | Link #311 |
What the Fudge Nuggets
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I just want to say, that I' am almost certain the author has a reason for all this, unless he really does want to lose all his fan base, I'm pretty sure there is still somethings left unsaid.
Does anyone find it weird, that mikono would only apologize to Kagura? I mean isn't amata the other half of the dog?So why not apologize to him aswell? Oh wait maybe he really is apollonius and fudo is just trolling. Finally, I' am almost 100% sure that apollonius was reincarnated into apollo, maybe the dog aswell(which would make more sense then just the dog). Anyways they can not disregard all the evidence they have of apollonius being reincarnated into apollo, because then Evol, should not have any connection to the first season to begin with |
2012-06-05, 02:32 | Link #313 | |
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They can disregard anything they want, if this Pollon thing is truely how things went down than it's too late to say they wouldn't do that since they just did. |
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2012-06-05, 02:33 | Link #314 | ||
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Btw I think it's a good indicator of how well Genesis foreshadowed this twist (I'm being sarcastic here) that the Japanese wiki page for Genesis (the TV series) has just added any substantial information on Pollon, and this info is only what we learned in Evol (before it was just "a dog"). The page for the OVA still doesn't mention him except for that drama CD I mentioned above, which is I think the only place the dog was ever actually named before Evol. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2012-06-05 at 02:46. |
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2012-06-05, 02:47 | Link #316 |
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No, he hates Amata. That's why he split him. Both of them are Apollo. Kagura is Amata. It's spelled aloud in Fudo's explanation and the director's interview published before the episode aired, iirc. The dog Pollon's wings = Amata. The rest = Kagura.
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2012-06-05, 04:54 | Link #317 | |
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--Agreed, that should pretty ease the mind of Disappointed minds of Appolonius-Celiane fans..Oh please Kawamori-sama |
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2012-06-05, 05:01 | Link #318 | |
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--Brightest idea to resolve this mindfucked Evol.. |
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2012-06-05, 05:45 | Link #319 |
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I'm curious to see how's apollo (and sylvia) reaction to this terifying news...
and hope terada will fix this mess later I'll still follow this series just to know how's the story goes for future reference, and songs |
2012-06-05, 06:06 | Link #320 |
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Mikage needs Amata too to destroy both of them. Pollon/Apollo is Amata Sora as was born from Alicia, then he needed a dark side to bring Mikono back on Altair and then Amata.
Mikage wants to destroy Mikono (Silvia/Celiane) and Amagura making them suffering a lot, they're fighting for the same love. Now it's a full revenge story. Where's Mikage solid body? He's just a shadow or whatever? After the latest revelations, seems to me, Amata looks different. He's shocked about the dog revelation, he's not quite sure anymore about fighting fate. |
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