2008-10-02, 06:58 | Link #2001 | |
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It would then either end with Kallen winning or most probably a draw. |
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2008-10-02, 15:47 | Link #2002 |
Um-Shmum
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does anyone else think kallen might be keeping the guren (whats left of it) in ashford and fixing it up like an old classic car (like the ganimade was kepts there)
the frame was mostly inteact after the fight with the lancelot (arms and head are replaceble) and since she has the USB we know its not with the OOBK (since no one could pilot it without the USB) and kallen was more attached to her machine on a personal level then any other pilot in the show to their machine (even telling it she's sorry when it looked like they were about to crash) so its not likely she'd just discard it if it was still around she might be fixing it up as a pet project (she does have enough technical skill to maintain it during the year lelouch was gone) and as seveal sources state shes something of a KMF freak (even from before getting the guren) it was a gift from lelouch after all (the only one he gave her, and one she tresured very much) and it is an historical machine (the one who "killed" the KOZ) she might not be a fighter pilot now that the war is over but she might still be in love with that machine
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2008-10-04, 00:58 | Link #2003 | |
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After his "death" there is the possibility they repaired and rebuilt the Guren since it showed Shen-Hu repaired. However, it would take Laksharta, Lloyd, and Cecile (all three of them) to completely repair it. And I still don't see Laksharta willing to cooperate with Lloyd or Cecile. She gives me the impression that she doesn't like others tinkering with her creations. She seemed plenty mad the first time she saw Guren SEITEN. So Guren SEITEN may just be a one time collaboration that will most likely not happen again. In a "post Lelouch" world, such a powerful knightmare frame may not be needed either since Lancelot Albion is gone. |
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2008-10-04, 01:05 | Link #2004 | |
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kallen was in jail (and no one else could pilot it) and it was junked anyway why destroy it (even more so when he knows what it means to kallen) i never suggested that Lloyd and Laksharta would repeir it i say kallen could be keeping it and fixing it up by herself (to the extent that she can, probably no radeation arm or energy wings,maybe Laksharta could even give her spare parts and a float unit) she does have the technical skill to maintain it for a whole year by herself (as well as her old glassgo) and she is a KMF freak (from several sources) think of it as fixing up an old car
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2008-10-04, 01:26 | Link #2005 | |
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I know you didn't suggest Lloyd or Cecile. I did. No need to get snippy. I really don't want to argue. Lelouch would destroy it so it can't be repaired and be used against him later. Lelouch isn't a sentimental mech enthusiast like you or me. With Lancelot Albion gone, and Suzaku "dead", it wouldn't be very smart to leave such a powerful Knightmare frame around to be repaired. For Zero Requiem, it's the people that matter, and NOT the survival of knightmare frames. I know you really want the Guren to survive and you have hopes of Kallen repairing it. I just gave my opinion that it's unlikely. Guren SEITEN isn't like an old Glassglow (or old car as you put it). It's the most powerful 9th Generation Knightmare frame, and it had the combined technical expertise of Laksharta, Lloyld, and Cecile (and collaberation probably isn't going to happen again). The odds of Kallen repairing it in some underground hidden garage is very unlikely. Plus, she's starting a new life with her mother; no need for the Guren. I'll say it again: In a "post Lelouch" world, Guren SEITEN isn't needed anymore. The world is at peace, is working towards a better future. If you really like the Guren, just remember it for what it was, what it did, and all the good battles and moments it was involved in. -I'm out |
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2008-10-04, 04:17 | Link #2006 | |
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Yep out of all the 7th generation+ KMF's that were invovled during the last battle, the only one we know that survived for sure and was rebuilt was the Shen-Hu. Which is hilarious when you consider Xinge-Ke's numerous death flags and all our speculations about how he was going to push it to its limits fighting character X and die in a suicide attack. |
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2008-10-05, 13:17 | Link #2009 |
Um-Shmum
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kallen said her specs were higher then the albion in ep 25
since there was no other KMF who could match either (aside from possibly the sigfried, which is a giga fortress and not a frame) then yes the SEITEN is probably the strongest one ever built (i still think its still around, since the shen hu wasnt destroyed either)
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2008-10-05, 13:25 | Link #2011 | |
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That or someone else is piloting Shen Hu now. XingKe is mysteriously missing from a lot of those pictures at the end... |
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2008-10-05, 13:36 | Link #2012 | |
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maybe thats him (the rest of the china people are there
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2008-10-05, 14:17 | Link #2013 | |
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I think, if Xingke is alive, he was left to govern the UFN in case something happens. Can't have the entire leadership go off to a wedding. |
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2008-10-06, 01:23 | Link #2014 | |||||
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Suzaku mentioned it to Kallen and Kallen gave the answer that it was the Guren, case closed on that ordeal my friend. Quote:
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Suzaku had a better mecha, that is the main reason he won. He did a move that Bismark couldnt win against even though Bismark tried to counter it and failed. In the end, Bismark cockyness cost him the fight and should of high tailed out of there. Quote:
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Suzaku has natural talents in physical combat and military trainning. so why not give a Leluch mind to Suzaku or any one else, give the evilness of Charles, and the way of thinking of Schienzel
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2008-10-06, 07:57 | Link #2016 |
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I believe the exact lines were;
Suzaku: "Even with this live geass your giving so much trouble. Such strength Kallen!" Kallen: "As far as machine specs go, this Guren is stronger, but why can't I beat you Suzaku?" So they both complimented each other in a way, also it makes little sense to continue this argument any further since neither side won. A standstill is the best way to call the end result since the Lancelot exploded and the Guren was in shambles with only its chest left. If we're gonna go into deep analysis than Suzaku won since he was able to stop Kallen from pursuing Lelouch and fake his death at the same time and Kallen would have died either by his hands or if Gino wasn't there by plummeting to the ground. |
2008-10-06, 08:26 | Link #2017 |
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actually suzaku was saying he cant finish this even with the geass and saying kallen is very strong
kallen was saying she cant win despite the higher specs and was saying that suzaku is very strong but kallen was actually saying that if suzaku is so strong then why is he not fighting for justice but rather only going for more power (she didnt know the truth about what they were up to) and i dont buy that the guren just "fell" off that ledge kallen passing out shouldnt have had that effect on a ten ton machine i think she tilted it to the side so it would fall off the plateform (probably hoping it would land on a lower one on the damocles, she wasnt in any position to aim at where she lands) if she had stayed on the same platform as suzaku she would have been killed by the lancelot blowing up and suzaku won the war (since he got what he wanted) but kallen still won the fight
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2008-10-06, 10:07 | Link #2018 | |
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Even though there are still some questions why Kallen fall( don't forget about damn synchro. When Rolo geassed those OoTBk in 19, they fall down). |
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2008-10-06, 10:11 | Link #2019 | |
Um-Shmum
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she was standing on the floor i dont really see any logical reason for a machine of that size to be effected enough to just fall over just becouse its pilot (who cant be all that heavy) passes out it just seems to me that its more logical for it to have been her doing (since the lancelot was about to explode i could be wrong and since the guren was out of power i dont think she could do anything other then just try to get it to fall off the platform (couldnt move in any other way) and she won becouse she destroyed the enemy while he didnt destroy her (doesnt matter much in the big picture, only in the frame of that fight)
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2008-10-06, 10:35 | Link #2020 |
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Kallen won because, to almost everyone else, except Lelouch, all those who he let in on Zero Requiem and Suzaku himself, and quite possibly herself upon Lelouch's demise, she did kill Suzaku. And between herself and Suzaku, she destroyed his Frame, Suzaku didn't do likewise.
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