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2014-01-30, 21:46 | Link #1942 |
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So I was wrong, it's Sayu and Miuna who are the sick two... love sick to be more precise. I took being 'sick' as an excuse to avoid seeing the changes around them like what Hikari did. I thought Kaname was gonna be like that too but he surprisingly took everything well, without any emotional outbursts infact. Kids these with their amazing coping up mechanisms. Or perhaps Kaname just likes to keep things to himself and suffer quietly inside?
It appears Chisaki is still in love with Hikari. That's another hurdle for the inevitable Tsumugu x Chisaki pairing. I pity Tsumugu, you're basically a hot young popular guy who has the dream job of his life, but the girl you're in love with is still hung up on his childhood crush who is still 14 by the way. That has got to be a massive blow to your ego. That being said, the highlight of this episode for me was the ending. The three going underwater trying to find a way to enter ShioShiShio. I'm expecting some devasting and depressing shit here. |
2014-01-30, 21:50 | Link #1944 |
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I have to admit that Thess has swayed me a bit on Chisaki/Tsumugu. I wasn't really seeing it before, especially from Chisaki's side, but I'm seeing it now. And yeah, Chisaki's decision to not go with Hikari, Kaname, and Miuna might have significant symbolic relevance.
I'm now inclined to think that Tsumugu is too considerate for his own good, and likely would have been in a romance with Chisaki by now if he had bothered to try to strike one up with her. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it's too late, as Chisaki still is showing signs of romantic fondness for him, even if they are subtle. The two clearly have strong feelings for each other, and Chisaki's blushing towards Tsumugu does suggest its more than just "family" feelings at play here (Thess is right in pointing out the Manaka contrast, but another contrast would be Hikari not caring about Miuna seeing him in his boxers a couple episodes back).
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If it makes sense what I am trying to say. They are foils: Chisaki had a loving family that was waiting for her and supported her, she wanted to stay with them. She was ripped apart from it. Tsumugu is estranged with his family and moved away from it, trying to avoid them as much as he can. Tsumugu is studying the currents to bring Chisaki's family back. Chisaki's studying nurse to look after Tsumugu's grandfather and she's aware of his family trouble. This was absolutely no coincidence.
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Well that wa interesting I expected Kaname to be a bit more shocked with Chisaki's age. Nope not at all. I really enjoyed how well Chisaki and Tsumugu work together in the kitchen they are totally like a couple Kaname is like... I can't wait for Tsumugu to break and reveal his feelings and confront Chisaki.
I found the transition from Miuna and Sayu's fight to Kaname really rushed I was sure I missed something. I like the fact that Sayu is aware that her feelings are very odd to hold a crush fro 5 years. When Miuna offered to help I really liked that part makes her more proactive. Wonder what they will find under the sea. Quote:
Angel Beats would have been better if it were longer. It does have some good episodes, but as a whole it is much too rushed. Little Busters is the closest to Angel Beats. Many of us also believe that anohana inspired Little Busters, so you may like that one. Last edited by Leo_Otaku; 2014-01-30 at 22:16. |
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Keep in mind it's been said this show has a fairytale formula setting but is also a coming of age. It's not about who the character wants because they fished them up with a net accidentally, but about relationships that make them grow and give them a future together they become stronger for it. How circumstances change them because it's part of one's life and accepting those changes while remaining yourself.
It's been pretty sincere so far.
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Also, for the record, Hikari only answered a superficial question that shows Hikari doesn't know Chisaki at all (also he displayed this ignorance again when he assumed Kaname was the one who helped to fix the argument between Chisaki and Manaka in the first half when that was Tsumugu). Kaname, on the other hand, noticed Chisaki has changed while he was sleeping but he at first didn't want to believe it. She wanted to be a nurse now, which she didn't in the past, for example. This is how much she changed in the course of the years. This episode puts in perspective that Tsumugu in that episode was wrong. He's the one with the real advantage in the love field with Chisaki. He's the one building unnecessary walls and I sure hope Kaname tears him a new one or family drama will.
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I'm sorry for butting in. I haven't read the previous pages so I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about in the first place. I just had to reply because I think you're over-thinking things. |
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Like many others, I wished this episode had focused more on Kaname and about what happened before the time skip.
Regardless I'm glad he's back and hope he gets one of the girls in the end. Whether it's Sayu or Chisaki. I'm also really hoping the next episode, they might find Manaka, that's what it's looking like might happen. If not I'm rooting for Miuna all the way. As for Chisaki, I feel bad for her but she also upsets me how she keeps clinging to Hikari, when she should know better by now. I'm also disappointed in how she has little to no reaction about Kaname still being alive, that or she's just bottling everything up and may eventually break down.
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Kaname is the one who realized Chisaki has changed when he's been sleeping. Meanwhile Miuna's said to be unchanged in the inside so far. We're being show Chisaki's changes unlike Miuna's. There's no basis for comparison between them. Let's not forget all Miuna lost was a crush she barely knew and all for her benefit. She earned a happy family life, while Chisaki lost a whole deal more than her first love that night. The development, the reaction and the circumstances are good to establish parallels. Sayu's situation is more closer to Miuna's, same with Hikari's and Kaname's to each other. Quote:
How to say... While Hikari doesn't want to change because he loves Manaka, Chisaki 'loves' Hikari because she doesn't want to change. Yet she has changed and that was what Kaname realized. That's why a short scene of Chisaki hopelessly glancing at Hikari's direction when he spoke of Manaka is juxtaposed with her natural couple vibe with Tsumugu which was mutual. It's Kaname's worst nightmare. Poor boy. Quote:
That's also a theme and struggle for Miuna and Sayu in this episode. In the episode Chisaki met Hikari, it was Tsumugu and not Chisaki who was building the wall around them. He walked out, symbolically putting a wall between them, I'm giving you a visual example. He's under the belief he can't handle her past problems. But this episode shows us the opposite, since she met Hikari, Chisaki's not reconnecting with the past. Kaname is unsettled about her changes and feels isolated from her. I don't think Chisaki realizes it, though. That's growing up. Quote:
I understand I wasn't fair with the old bonds. I think they had a place in childhood and people who are now in their lives cannot replace that childhood. That's really important, looking back, there are irreplaceable things we want them to stay the same because an adult life and love is hurtful and not so 'innocent'. But what matters is the present and the future too. With a character like Chisaki, she's begun to move forward the future. Manaka was taking these steps too. Can the rest actually follow up? I actually got into this discussion because I felt I had to defend Chisaki's trauma people dismiss as only romantic. The level and amount of loss she suffered that one night would have realistically left her shaken for years, so I feel Okada did something right with not choosing to hook up with Tsumugu even if it's natural for them to be together as couple. It's for them to address when they are emotionally ready for a relationship. A relationship between adults (they are 19 years old now) who share a house and live together cannot be the same as a crush you barely see. One implies a lot more of actual commitment and fear to mess up if it changes. I also believe Tsumugu also might keep his distance because of the sea exile threat that could be looming if they do hook up, he can't take away the sea and her sea family from Chisaki when he's working so she'll get them back. He's that kind of person. But... does Chisaki truly want to return? This episode was very enlightening in general. They need to speak things. Tsumugu should make peace with the fact he can't replace Chisaki's past bonds, but he has to realize he's her present and potentially future. That's how I see this will go. There need to be an acknowledgement and acceptance to mature. I'll add something I forgot, Tsumugu and Chisaki relationship are in direct foil-for Sayu's and Miuna's relationship with the guys. They are trying to desperately to fit in their lives, after being observers for a long time (which has been a theme addressed by them since the second half began). Tsumugu, on the other hand as I reiterate my former point, is already part of that life. He just doesn't realize it. Kaname did when he observe them act like a married couple moving in the kitchen. He was the one who felt like an outsider. Sayu is frozen, reluctant to take her steps towards Kaname. Miuna's bolder and wants to submerge in Hikari's world. Of course, she has the benefit of ena.
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