(L) Fairy Tail Manga Discussion Thread

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

As for FT the problem isn't as much predictability as the many deus ex machinas that happen to the popular characters. Natsu for example has had plenty. Jellal has had quite a few. Erza had a few notable ones as well.

That's the thing with this development: it's not a deus ex machina. That, by definition, would be an extremely contrived solution to a problem relying on an external, never-before-known agent. Now, why did Zero awaken when all six members must be defeated for that to happen? Why was only Midnight unsurprised when it happened? Because it was an illusion, and Midnight is known for doing that sort of thing. Things actually checked out fairly nicely with the fight this time around. And for that, I'm not nearly as mad about it as some of you, or even remotely upset. I just feel kind of stupid for not considering this in the first place.

Also, I noticed Jellal opened his eyes to talk to Midnight, but they were bloodied. That sort of thing can happen, right...?

[~Yami~]

okay.. someone is too dumb that even I can't laugh him off...

that's what you got from dealing with evil

anyway, Jellal's magic is awesome

[chidorimen]

Is anybody else under the impression that cana's going to stop that bomb elfman has?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

That's the thing with this development: it's not a deus ex machina. That, by definition, would be an extremely contrived solution to a problem relying on an external, never-before-known agent. Now, why did Zero awaken when all six members must be defeated for that to happen? Why was only Midnight unsurprised when it happened? Because it was an illusion, and Midnight is known for doing that sort of thing. Things actually checked out fairly nicely with the fight this time around. And for that, I'm not nearly as mad about it as some of you, or even remotely upset. I just feel kind of stupid for not considering this in the first place.

Also, I noticed Jellal opened his eyes to talk to Midnight, but they were bloodied. That sort of thing can happen, right...?

Describing this as a deus ex machine was wrong that's my bad but there's little doubt that the characters have gotten lucky before.
What bugs me most is the way they just pull things out of nowhere. His super Archive being able to transfer the key seems a bit of an asspull.
Jellal inviting the OS was predictable but not something im pleased with. Elfman and the bomb is irritating but mainly how nobody hasn't noticed the bomb.
@Chidori I do agree with you cana will stop it how idk

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Describing this as a deus ex machine was wrong that's my bad but there's little doubt that the characters have gotten lucky before.
What bugs me most is the way they just pull things out of nowhere. His super Archive being able to transfer the key seems a bit of an asspull.
Jellal inviting the OS was predictable but not something im pleased with. Elfman and the bomb is irritating but mainly how nobody hasn't noticed the bomb.
@Chidori I do agree with you cana will stop it how idk

Hey, as long as that chairman asshole is dead... And I'm really quite okay with the OS becoming potential good guys. I figured they may turn good, but it honestly hadn't crossed my mind that they'd be full-blown members of Crime Sorciere.

Besides, how could anyone notice a bomb if Elfman, I dunno, hid it from everyone?

[Casshern]

Cobra wouldn't have missed it if Zero was still alive, and Jellal can potentially gain his vision again with a pair or magical eyes like the one Erza has. I really liked finally watching Jellal as himself using his heavenly body magic.

[Houreki]

I really enjoyed this chapter, for one second I really thought that jellal was dead, and I found cool that OS formed part of CS, The only thing I didn't like was the thing with the key and the machine, even thought I'm glad that he died. And with the bomb, I'm sure Cana will do something about.

[Krono]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Describing this as a deus ex machine was wrong that's my bad but there's little doubt that the characters have gotten lucky before.
What bugs me most is the way they just pull things out of nowhere. His super Archive being able to transfer the key seems a bit of an asspull.
Jellal inviting the OS was predictable but not something im pleased with. Elfman and the bomb is irritating but mainly how nobody hasn't noticed the bomb.
@Chidori I do agree with you cana will stop it how idk

Less of an asspull than you think. For starters, the whole process of how one gets the seal was entirely unexplained, so it's not like the chairman being able to transfer it contradicts anything. After all, some method of transferring the seal without the receiver being aware must exist, so it's entirely plausible for the chairman to be able to figure out removing it without the holder being aware once he actually takes a look at the seal.

Beyond that, last chapter Crawford was frantically telling Franmalth to shut up as though he was in the middle of something, and the chapter ends with him telling Franmalth he's done better than find Jellal. The impression we're left with last chapter is he has the news that Jellal's dead. But that wouldn't require frantically telling Franmalth to shut up, and this chapter was named The Third Seal, and opened with Jellal turning out not dead before Crawford gets a chance to give his good news. So it should be quite logical that when the chapter finally switches to Crawford that he has different news about the third seal than "Jellal's dead."

As for no one noticing the bomb, why would they? Elfman went off to "rest", which the rest of the guild would not question or be likely to interrupt given the circumstances. So he just goes someplace private and places the Lacrima. There's no reason to believe people should detect the lacrima itself. It's made to store magic, not uselessly leak it.

[Kafriel]

Awesome chapter. For someone smart, the chairman should have seen this coming...as for Jellal, this was by far his best fight to date The only question left unanswered is, would he have won against Jura had he used that magic back in the games? At least he's finally getting some guildies...

Anyway, looking forward to the next chapter!

[felix]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

For someone smart, the chairman should have seen this coming...

Somone smart........ wut?

"I'm going to be rich in a world where anyone who would take money is dead, derp derp. Life will be so good!"

[Kafriel]

Well, archive isn't an easy kind of magic to use and he was a chairman...

[Casshern]

Yeah I don't often complain about the way Hiro does things, and it was kinda inevitable for the chairman to receive some kind of karmic retribution, but he could've handled the 3rd key a little better. He wanted Jellal to be a key-holder to make him special, he wanted face to be released and he also wanted Jellal to survive. The solution tied everything together but it was a little too convenient, almost to the point of contrived.

[Tempest35]

Originally Posted by Casshern

Yeah I don't often complain about the way Hiro does things, and it was kinda inevitable for the chairman to receive some kind of karmic retribution, but he could've handled the 3rd key a little better. He wanted Jellal to be a key-holder to make him special, he wanted face to be released and he also wanted Jellal to survive. The solution tied everything together but it was a little too convenient, almost to the point of contrived.

Dude, I get what you're saying but... it's Jellal. He's like a boss character - they give his moves higher priority than regular characters. The dude survived being broken apart at the molecular level by Etherion (if that even happened when he was trapped) - of course he can survive being the last key of the Doomsday device that has death as the requirement and still have it go off.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Tempest35

Dude, I get what you're saying but... it's Jellal. He's like a boss character - they give his moves higher priority than regular characters. The dude survived being broken apart at the molecular level by Etherion (if that even happened when he was trapped) - of course he can survive being the last key of the Doomsday device that has death as the requirement and still have it go off.

Funny how this is the first time he's actually won a fight on-screen.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

Funny how this is the first time he's actually won a fight on-screen.

I forgot that. That makes it even better. Though given how doomed FT seems from all sides I'm not sure exactly what can be done at this point...

Though there is always a Natsu.

[Casshern]

Originally Posted by Tempest35

Dude, I get what you're saying but... it's Jellal. He's like a boss character - they give his moves higher priority than regular characters. The dude survived being broken apart at the molecular level by Etherion (if that even happened when he was trapped) - of course he can survive being the last key of the Doomsday device that has death as the requirement and still have it go off.

Yes, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I really like Jellal so I never wanted him to die. It was just unnecessary to tie the key plot with Jellal imo. The 3rd key could have been an unnamed member like the others were and it wouldn't have made any difference at all. To point out a possible plot-hole, the ex-chairman could've transferred all 3 keys to some prisoners and they could've unsealed face without anyone ever being alerted to their actions or whereabouts.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Casshern

Yes, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I really like Jellal so I never wanted him to die. It was just unnecessary to tie the key plot with Jellal imo. The 3rd key could have been an unnamed member like the others were and it wouldn't have made any difference at all. To point out a possible plot-hole, the ex-chairman could've transferred all 3 keys to some prisoners and they could've unsealed face without anyone ever being alerted to their actions or whereabouts.

They probably wanted to bring panic/fear rather than do it covertly though; as we saw they are pretty extravagant in their actions, so I'm not sure it's a plot-hole.

Also, getting rid of council members creates instability. I'm sure that they did this to be cruel.

[Krono]

Originally Posted by Casshern

Yes, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I really like Jellal so I never wanted him to die. It was just unnecessary to tie the key plot with Jellal imo. The 3rd key could have been an unnamed member like the others were and it wouldn't have made any difference at all. To point out a possible plot-hole, the ex-chairman could've transferred all 3 keys to some prisoners and they could've unsealed face without anyone ever being alerted to their actions or whereabouts.

Crawford doesn't seem to have realized he could transfer the key until after he located Jellal, and Tartaros seems to have started it's sweep of the councilors before they signed Crawford.

Also people are being kind of hard on Crawford. Just because he's working with demons doesn't mean that the demons are a bunch of backstabbers that'll kill him at a moments notice. He seemed to have a good working relationship with them, he has no reason to think he's of no further use to them beyond finding the councilors and Jellal, and they're nice enough to actually take prisoners which suggests they aren't all that trigger happy on the murdering people they might have a use for.

Plus, it's not like what he suggested was unreasonable. It'd probably take them half an hour tops to get one of the prisoners up there, transfer the key, and kill them. It's not like Tartaros is on some time sensitive schedule either. The only upside to killing him now is that they don't have to deal with him between now and the point at which they actually set off Face.

[G147]

Originally Posted by Krono

Plus, it's not like what he suggested was unreasonable. It'd probably take them half an hour tops to get one of the prisoners up there, transfer the key, and kill them. It's not like Tartaros is on some time sensitive schedule either. The only upside to killing him now is that they don't have to deal with him between now and the point at which they actually set off Face.

I don't think transferring the "key" to 3 prisoners would take more time then all of them running around killing random council members.

[DarkRaven]

Good job Elfman .. Pretty intense chapter, and I really wonder how things will turn out after that ending...