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whatever123 · 2004-03-21, 16:35

well that chapter threw all my hopefull prediction down the drain (if u read the thread about the visitor u'll know what am i talking about)

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Merco · 2004-03-21, 16:38

Well, one thing I think needs to be interjected, Rock Lee doesn't really have a 'unique' style.

I imagine any sort of style is taught at a school for that sort of thing. It's not as if Rock Lee invented the style that he uses, since Kakashi taught some of it to Sasuke (Sasuke couldn't have gotten enough of the taijutsu from Rock Lee by sharingan to do more then imitate a couple moves... Sasuke knows the taijutsu because Kakashi emphasized more of what Sasuke already copied, I believe.

So in theory, it may be possible that Itachi... or someone else for the matter could have just henge'd and used what Taijutsu he already knows.

whatever123 · 2004-03-21, 17:02

well unless sharingan can read minds i doubt it would be itachi

That Other Ninja · 2004-03-21, 17:10

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well unless sharingan can read minds i doubt it would be itachi

Exactly. WHO BUT ROCK (possibly Gai, but doubtful) CALLS HIMSELF 'The Leaf's proud azure beast...'?!

whatever123 · 2004-03-21, 17:25

it could the moustache ninja coming to save the day

Sethi · 2004-03-21, 17:43

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it could the moustache ninja coming to save the day

Yeah or the Ramen Girl on Disguise

I still think it is really Lee and either the operation went bad and he has just few hours of life or it went well and he sneaked out without attending Rehabilitation at all to help his friends sacrificing himself in turn.

psycoking · 2004-03-21, 18:23

I doubt its anybody disguised as lee. The villans are badass so hidding themselves would be demeaning. Plus they'd have to heavily study lee in order to get all his manurisms right. Its probably not gai either. Remember gai isn't too good at nin and gen jutsu, that's why, like lee, he is a taijutsu specialist. So I doubt he could hold a henge for very long.

whatever123 · 2004-03-21, 18:47

where is it mentioned that gai isnt good at nenjutsu and genjutsu he probably was when he was young but he couldnt become a jounin without being able to perform the basic ninjutsu and genjutsu perfectly

Hairydolphin · 2004-03-21, 18:56

Yeah don't confuse Gai for Lee....they might look alike and act alike, but Gai can use Nin and Gen techniques very well.

nh1 · 2004-03-21, 19:00

Actually, we don't know... Only time I've seen him use anything of the kind was when he blocked the Genjutsu at the Chuunin Arena, then again, I haven't seen Asuma use any either and I know he's able to do it (no reason he shouldn't be)

Vicious · 2004-03-21, 19:56

I don't know why people think someone used Henge to look like Lee. I mean, why would someone do that? It's Lee there, all by himself. Or at least it wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't Lee himself.

Lee may have recovered- but not fully- from the surgery. So he came back to kick some ass! I just think it'll be really stupid if he open the 5 Celestial Gates again. He just underwent a surgery to recover from opening the 5 Gates before, if he does it again; there goes the surgery, and Tsunade should punch him to death

psycoking · 2004-03-21, 20:07

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where is it mentioned that gai isnt good at nenjutsu and genjutsu he probably was when he was young but he couldnt become a jounin without being able to perform the basic ninjutsu and genjutsu perfectly

I remember kakshi making some comment along those lines during a flashback of lee when he was in the academy. I can't find it in the manga, so I think I saw it in the anime. I should probably double check, but I really don't wanna flip through my cd collection (75 eps of nuroto = a lot of hard drive space - so thank god for burners)

Dryad · 2004-03-21, 20:12

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I don't know why people think someone used Henge to look like Lee. I mean, why would someone do that? It's Lee there, all by himself. Or at least it wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't Lee himself.

Lee may have recovered- but not fully- from the surgery. So he came back to kick some ass! I just think it'll be really stupid if he open the 5 Celestial Gates again. He just underwent a surgery to recover from opening the 5 Gates before, if he does it again; there goes the surgery, and Tsunade should punch him to death

I hope you don't really think that Lee has recovered from the surgery cause i would be quite disappointed by you. Since there is no time indication except when they say that they did 1/3 of the way in half a day it's hard to tell if it has been more than a day since they left Konoha. It would be kind of lame if Lee had enough time to get the surgery then recover then leave Konoha then finding Naruto in the middle of fire country without even knowing where they were heading. I dunno how it's gonna be explained but i'll really be disappointed if it something else than Lee opening the 5 gates again to help knowing that he's screwed as a ninja.

GreyArea · 2004-03-21, 20:22

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I hope you don't really think that Lee has recovered from the surgery cause i would be quite disappointed by you. Since there is no time indication except when they say that they did 1/3 of the way in half a day it's hard to tell if it has been more than a day since they left Konoha. It would be kind of lame if Lee had enough time to get the surgery then recover then leave Konoha then finding Naruto in the middle of fire country without even knowing where they were heading. I dunno how it's gonna be explained but i'll really be disappointed if it something else than Lee opening the 5 gates again to help knowing that he's screwed as a ninja.

It was 1/3 of the plan, not the distance, not that that matters. I think Lee has had the surgery, I think thats kinda obvious now (check the 209 discussion for my last post), but I dont think he's fully recovered; Kishimoto wouldnt query it if there wasnt some concern there.

I dont think he's going to go as far as opening 5 gates again, not unless this fight gets really messy. He may open the fight one (to do the Omote Renge), and maybe the second if he needs to move again after that, otherwise, I dont think he's going to do anything silly.

Also, whoever said Gai cant do ninjutsu, you're wrong. He summonned a tutrle just before the start of the chunin exam, and if Gai couldnt do gen/ninjutsu, dont you think Lee would have a little more confidence in becoming a respectable ninja? Also, I doubt if Gai couldnt do gen or ninjutsu that he'd be able to fight on an even level with Kakashi.

Vicious · 2004-03-21, 23:38

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I hope you don't really think that Lee has recovered from the surgery cause i would be quite disappointed by you. Since there is no time indication except when they say that they did 1/3 of the way in half a day it's hard to tell if it has been more than a day since they left Konoha. It would be kind of lame if Lee had enough time to get the surgery then recover then leave Konoha then finding Naruto in the middle of fire country without even knowing where they were heading. I dunno how it's gonna be explained but i'll really be disappointed if it something else than Lee opening the 5 gates again to help knowing that he's screwed as a ninja.

Like I said in my previous post, Dryad-san...

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Lee may have recovered- but not fully- from the surgery.

And like Grey-san said, it's kinda obvious he already had the surgery. We'll have yet to see how he can move freely in this short period of time. But I think it would be very lame if someone used Henge to transform into Lee.

And I think it would be pretty lame if he opened the 5 Celestial Gates again, by the reasons I stated in my previous post.

whatever123 · 2004-03-22, 03:36

what bothers me is what i mentioned in my post

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it really doesnt make any sense

nh1 · 2004-03-22, 03:59

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what bothers me is what i mentioned in my post

it really doesnt make any sense

It's not DBZ, people don't go by powerlevels (luckily). Kimimaro's technique is perfect vs Kage bunshin

. Though he should've noticed Naruto's incredible chakra (then again, maybe he did)...

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And I think it would be pretty lame if he opened the 5 Celestial Gates again, by the reasons I stated in my previous post.

He got the injuries because Gaara crushed his bones afterwards

Maybe the surgery went bad and he did something similiar to Kimimaro, I'm guessing he'll not only use 5 of the gates, but go all out and die after using the 8th..

GreyArea · 2004-03-22, 09:27

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He got the injuries because Gaara crushed his bones afterwards

Maybe the surgery went bad and he did something similiar to Kimimaro, I'm guessing he'll not only use 5 of the gates, but go all out and die after using the 8th..

The extensive injuries (which made the surgery necessary) came from using the gates, he had bits of bone all over the place in his spinal column. The wounds he got from Gaara have already healed.

Also, he can only open 5 gates, so he wont be opening 8 gates now, especially seeing as he hasnt exactly had any time to be training or anything.

scotty81 · 2004-03-22, 10:08

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Asmedaus · 2004-03-22, 10:17

I did a bit of searching on the web to see what I can dig up about the whole bone fragment stuff that people talk about.

"About nine months after Trisha injured herself, an orthopedic surgeon performed a relatively simple procedure called a discectomy, in which a fragment of the ruptured disk is removed."

Now true this talks about ruptured disk, and I don't know how close this parallels the situation at hand, but it seems that todays doctors consider removing bits of ruptured disk from the spinal column a relatively simply procedure. If we assume that Naruto's world operates almost alike ours, except with the addition of "super powers" then the symptoms for the ruptured disk are similar to was Rock Lee was dealing with

"The person may experience the following symptoms: · decreased ability to flex the knee · decreased ability to move the foot and toes in certain directions · numbness, burning, or tingling in the leg · pain in the lower back that may travel to the back of the thigh and calf "

Now, it seems to me that the problem occurs not in the actual surgery by the amount of time it needs to heal after the surgery is perfomed. Obviously this analysis is for the modern doctor, but I would think Tsunade was a capable doctor. The pain that was caused by the ruptured disk goes away after the operation.

Obviously this is assuming that the condition Rock Lee is(was) in is similar condition, but this is as close as I could come with my search for "problems with opening celestial gates".

Anyhow, I know that it was said that Rock Lee would need time to rest afterwords, but maybe Tsunade was just saying a person who would get this operation usually required a long time to rest. Yet, Rock Lee is a special person, kinda like Naruto still having chakra after Neji's attack, he is able to heal and go out to fight through the sheer force of will.

just my 2 cents

2004-03-21, 16:35	Link #41
whatever123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	well that chapter threw all my hopefull prediction down the drain (if u read the thread about the visitor u'll know what am i talking about) Spoiler: well the thing that bug me is lee lost to garaa without even garaa transforming into his monster form while naruto defeated garaa while only tapping into his kyubi chakra and not into full kyubi mode which is supposed to be stronger than just tapping into kyubi chackra, and kimmimaru had no problem with kyubi naruto but suddenly he realises that lee is strong, which doesnt make sense since kyubi naruto is supposed to be much stronger than lee. so all of this leads me into two posibilities 1- it might be someone else henged into lee 2- lee opened all the gates and went to fight to death i think the first makes more sense __________________

2004-03-21, 17:02	Link #43
whatever123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	well unless sharingan can read minds i doubt it would be itachi __________________

2004-03-21, 17:25	Link #45
whatever123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	it could the moustache ninja coming to save the day __________________

2004-03-21, 18:47	Link #48
whatever123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 42	where is it mentioned that gai isnt good at nenjutsu and genjutsu he probably was when he was young but he couldnt become a jounin without being able to perform the basic ninjutsu and genjutsu perfectly __________________

2004-03-21, 19:00	Link #50
nh1 KAWAIII-III!!!! >^_^ > Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Magical land! (Magica-ru land!)	Actually, we don't know... Only time I've seen him use anything of the kind was when he blocked the Genjutsu at the Chuunin Arena, then again, I haven't seen Asuma use any either and I know he's able to do it (no reason he shouldn't be) __________________

2004-03-21, 16:38	Link #42
Merco I like pie Join Date: Nov 2003	Well, one thing I think needs to be interjected, Rock Lee doesn't really have a 'unique' style. I imagine any sort of style is taught at a school for that sort of thing. It's not as if Rock Lee invented the style that he uses, since Kakashi taught some of it to Sasuke (Sasuke couldn't have gotten enough of the taijutsu from Rock Lee by sharingan to do more then imitate a couple moves... Sasuke knows the taijutsu because Kakashi emphasized more of what Sasuke already copied, I believe. So in theory, it may be possible that Itachi... or someone else for the matter could have just henge'd and used what Taijutsu he already knows.

2004-03-21, 18:23	Link #47
psycoking kyōki-ō Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: somewhere in your house. . .	I doubt its anybody disguised as lee. The villans are badass so hidding themselves would be demeaning. Plus they'd have to heavily study lee in order to get all his manurisms right. Its probably not gai either. Remember gai isn't too good at nin and gen jutsu, that's why, like lee, he is a taijutsu specialist. So I doubt he could hold a henge for very long.

2004-03-21, 18:56	Link #49
Hairydolphin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Yeah don't confuse Gai for Lee....they might look alike and act alike, but Gai can use Nin and Gen techniques very well.

2004-03-21, 19:56	Link #51
Vicious merely a ghost Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 36	I don't know why people think someone used Henge to look like Lee. I mean, why would someone do that? It's Lee there, all by himself. Or at least it wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't Lee himself. Lee may have recovered- but not fully- from the surgery. So he came back to kick some ass! I just think it'll be really stupid if he open the 5 Celestial Gates again. He just underwent a surgery to recover from opening the 5 Gates before, if he does it again; there goes the surgery, and Tsunade should punch him to death

2004-03-22, 10:08	Link #59
scotty81 DSL addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brest, Brittany, France Age: 42	Spoiler: Lee definitely came back, it could'nt be someone using henge, it would be to hard for the fans! How did he get better, well he already could do push ups, when he was supposed not to move at all. I believe he is a damn tough guy! and if Tsunade did something like force him to open the heal gate while she was healing him, would that not make the surgery more efficient?? anayway Lee is back, Sasuke is out the barrel, and Naruto is gonna kick some Uchiha ass! I love it!

2004-03-22, 10:17	Link #60
Asmedaus Member Join Date: Mar 2004	I did a bit of searching on the web to see what I can dig up about the whole bone fragment stuff that people talk about. "About nine months after Trisha injured herself, an orthopedic surgeon performed a relatively simple procedure called a discectomy, in which a fragment of the ruptured disk is removed." Now true this talks about ruptured disk, and I don't know how close this parallels the situation at hand, but it seems that todays doctors consider removing bits of ruptured disk from the spinal column a relatively simply procedure. If we assume that Naruto's world operates almost alike ours, except with the addition of "super powers" then the symptoms for the ruptured disk are similar to was Rock Lee was dealing with "The person may experience the following symptoms: · decreased ability to flex the knee · decreased ability to move the foot and toes in certain directions · numbness, burning, or tingling in the leg · pain in the lower back that may travel to the back of the thigh and calf " Now, it seems to me that the problem occurs not in the actual surgery by the amount of time it needs to heal after the surgery is perfomed. Obviously this analysis is for the modern doctor, but I would think Tsunade was a capable doctor. The pain that was caused by the ruptured disk goes away after the operation. Obviously this is assuming that the condition Rock Lee is(was) in is similar condition, but this is as close as I could come with my search for "problems with opening celestial gates". Anyhow, I know that it was said that Rock Lee would need time to rest afterwords, but maybe Tsunade was just saying a person who would get this operation usually required a long time to rest. Yet, Rock Lee is a special person, kinda like Naruto still having chakra after Neji's attack, he is able to heal and go out to fight through the sheer force of will. just my 2 cents