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View Poll Results: Eden of the East - Episode 5 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 28 | 34.15% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 25 | 30.49% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 19.51% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 9.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 4.88% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.22% | |
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2009-05-09, 08:11 | Link #61 | |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
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In all honesty when Saki meant kindness I didn't think she was refferring to money. I thought she was refferring to a complicated relationship. I'm pretty sure she knew deep down she wasn't going to get it. In fact she admitted that afterwards. She thought to go for it and give it a shot because she was desperate. Regarding the 20 hour flight, that was really just a plot hole. I don't see why it has to kill the romance. I think oosughi (sp?) was a great addition to the plot development. People are complaining because of his irrational behaviour. But people can be irrational like that and not realise. Out of the all characters show so far he seemed to me to be the most realistic. That ending was totally unexpected. And I don't think Juiz can control animals. Those birds must have been carrion-eaters. That bit where Akira makes the Prime Minister say 'Uncle' was just pure class. Has to be said. |
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2009-05-09, 08:26 | Link #62 |
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The Japanese Eden Wiki shows a 605k Yen expense under Kuroha's number (11) for her clean up in this episode, but I don't recall where there was a cell phone shown with that info. Anyone know where it is in episode?
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2009-05-09, 08:38 | Link #63 |
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Wow, 60yen just to make the PM say "Uncle" on TV? Now that's cheap!
Akira took nearly 200,000 just to find Saki, you would have thought Juiz would allocate money more efficiently considering how cheap it was to make the PM do just that. Mr Outside's probably morally ambiguous in the way he chooses his Selacao candidates in that even a psychopathic woman (named Shiratori Diana Kuroha in the credits) gets chosen. The mysterious man with the ruby ring on his hand (he's either the Supporter or even Mr Outside himself) seen in episode 1 is also given a name in the credits this episode - Monobe Ooki (at least I think that's how it's pronounced from the kanji). The bespectacled Seleacao that was next to him is another new character introduced. So that's where Akira sent all those NEETs, to Dubai to build all those artificial islands and fancy spinning skyscrapers. It probably means they weren't killed. What an ass those interviewers were, not only do they reject Saki in her face, they then proceed to trick her into waiting for nothing in the cafeteria and dump a beef bowl on her like that. If you don't want to welcome her, then show her the f*cking door, instead of showing yourself to be complete assholes. It'll be most satisfying if Akira can have Juiz teach those dicks a lesson, but it probably won't happen. Speaking of Akira, he is just coolness personified, first making a careless request to make the PM say "uncle", and then coolly kissing Saki when she's depressed. All this Selacao conspiracy will soon be closing in on Saki's personal life, as the broken hearted Ohsugi now finds himself as Diana's next victim. |
2009-05-09, 09:07 | Link #64 |
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Hungary, Europe
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Well, "Different strokes for different folks" as we all know, (we used to say something like ~"Some like the priest, some like the priest's wife"). I don't really consider the romance aspect so interesting and it just doesn't appeal to me much. I know she has a complicated relation with her sis and bro in law, but I seem to remember there was a scene somewhere when she said she was bothered by how she burdens them (I might be wrong on that). In my interpretation that means she doesn't like the fact, they are paying for her (the same case seemed to me here in ep5 too). Well she could have save herself some embarassment, if she reacts the way she knew deep down. It might be explained she is desperate, but why wasn't she desperate enough before? Yeah, it doesn't kill the romance, but I found it awkward, and I cannot really imagine that whole romance between them happening. Well consider me un-romantic or something . About Ohsugi. Yeah I mentioned I understand how he behaves illogically -it's no wonder since he's "madly in love"- (though I wouldn't have pointlessly went to the restaurant in his place), but I'm not fond we had to see a love triangle to be honest. As I said, it's possible he has some other role later on, but if his sole act/deed was only to "make" a fancy love-triangle, I'm going to be disappointed (and my pessimistic nature thinks that's possible). As you can see I voted it as Average, since for me there was nothing particularly outstanding. If that would be the first episode I see in the series, I would regard it as an average romance story sprinkled with some mistery and intrique. ---- Oh yeah one other interesting to note: The missiles they carry around wherever #1 is, and curiously enough the TV broadcast thinks it might have been done by the japanese Self Defense Force. I doubt that's a coincidence. But if that's right, than why did #1 possibly done the Careless monday? Last edited by izmosmolnar; 2009-05-09 at 10:16. Reason: not capitalized name. Sorry :P |
2009-05-09, 10:14 | Link #65 |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Well, I can't argue against having a different taste or interpretations. I just wanted to share my perspective.
Anyway I enjoyed this Episode. The reason I think it was perfect was simply because i don't see how they coud've made it better. Unlike the 4 previous episodes there weren't any obvious minor plot holes. There was also some good humor (the Prime Ministers approval goes up by 10% XD). Funnily enough, though, there were no referances to films. |
2009-05-09, 10:44 | Link #66 |
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Am I the only one for whom the greatest appeal of the series is the social commentary that's been creeping in throughout the episodes? The romance is good, the mystery is good, but the social commentary is leading the series towards (I hope) a very good critique when the picture comes to a close.
There's been a lot of serious dialogue involving the social stigmas in Japan and any capitalist society in general. Saki's mentioning of the company she felt was going to take advantage of her really positively surprised me, coming from an anime. I just hope they carry it towards the right direction and don't fall for any of the easy ways out.
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2009-05-09, 11:15 | Link #68 | |
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2009-05-09, 11:27 | Link #69 | |
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2009-05-09, 11:57 | Link #70 |
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I just hope Oosugi is alright next episode.
I was joyed seeing more chemistry between Saki and Akira, but the oh shi- moment at the end of the episode took the cake. artist wata drew this on pixiv yesterday Run boy, RUN.
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2009-05-09, 13:02 | Link #71 |
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Craaazy series! I just watched 4 & 5 so I'm still in awe after the revelations in episode 4.
But in this episode, oh man. That Shiratori is one crazy bitch. I cringed in the beginning with the the dead guy on the chair. What a horrible way to go. I bet she didn't even let him get to the best part before cutting it off. I still fail to see why AniDB has this anime classified as a josei and not seinen too.
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2009-05-09, 13:39 | Link #73 | |
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She did stay at a strange guys place overnight and rode off on a motorcyle with said guy. She strung along another guy and have a crush on her sister's husband. Not to mention the whole NY thing. Oh yeah, that full mouth kiss followed by staying at his place. I guess we won't know until the next ep what the sleeping arrangements were. Not that there is anything wrong with being a Hachi. You can get good character development from these types. Edit: And.... Let's talk about that interview. She gave a boring answer. It was obvious at the end that they weren't going to hire her and then she waits for lunch with them for 1 hour in the cafeteria most likely without calling up to see if they were coming. It's pretty unusual for a job candidate not to be escorted by one of the members of the interview staff to the cafeteria as an interview doesn't end until you leave the building. But our Saki stays in that cafeteria and doesn't get a clue until she overhears the office staff after getting food spilled on her to make her leave. The office staff did have a point about flights. I was stranded in another city myself over a weekend. I flew standby to get back by Monday.
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2009-05-09, 13:51 | Link #74 |
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She has a crush on her sister's husband, but I don't think she can help that. It's not like she's trying to seduce him.
I also don't believe she 'strung along' another guy. Girls like her probably are too nice to tell him off completely, and lack the resolve to do anything about it. Honestly, Saki's just really indecisive. Full mouth kiss initiated by Takizawa, not her. And I don't think they're going to do "it" at his place. I don't see the connection between Hachi and Saki, except maybe their naivete. |
2009-05-09, 14:18 | Link #76 | ||
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Full mouth kisses can be interrupted. It wasn't like she didn't want it. I suppose that offer to stay at his place couldn't be refused either, huh? So you think Akira is going to sleep on the floor huh? What did he just do to a girl who confessed her love for someone else?
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2009-05-09, 14:23 | Link #77 | |
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As for the interview, she was scheduled to be back in time, but the chaos at the airport made it impossible. If that job was the most important thing in the world to her, maybe she would have given up the US trip for it, but it wasn't, so she did it halfway, believing she could do both. Anyway, she's lucky not to be working with such people. As for the trip, also a bit irresponsible, but she and they had probably been looking forward to it for years. Different strokes, lol. She's my favorite character. But I always like weakness in a character. Perfection and strength are boring. And I don't like judging fiction on moral grounds. We are getting really strong hints that #1 is the guy who launched the missiles, as representative of a right-wing, Yukio Mishima-like, cabal that wants Japan to shape up. Even the original Akira could have been thinking like that, sending the NEETs off to a Middle Eastern boot camp. But just exactly what they thought the missiles would accomplish is beyond me: maybe they thought people would tear down the government (represented by a Fukuda clone; Fukuda being the previous PM, the old political pro who wanted better relations with China). Or maybe they thought it would convince people to be more disciplined and alert. Not sure. Blaming Saki for being in love with her brother in law doesn't seem right to me. You can't blame people for loving someone, only for doing something about it. Which she did not do. The worst she did is let it inhibit her love life. As for Oosugi, he is being consistently painted -- in word, deed, and appearance -- as being just about as uncool as it is possible to be. I can't blame her for being indifferent to him. But if she had refused dinner, it would be an insult she didn't want to give him. And when she had recovered from her devastation -- the feeling that she had got everything in her life wrong -- she did send him a message. It's quite conceivable that she even forgot he was coming, him being such a nonentity and her being so much in shock, as well having agreed fairly absently in the first place. Yeah, not ideal, but understandable. Saki is no Hachi clone, aohige, but they do share their indecisiveness, feeling of weakness, and romantic natures. I hope no-one is blaming 22-year-old Saki too much for staying overnight with a guy. The average age of first sexual intercourse in Japan, for both guys and girls (a little earlier for girls) is apparently 17. At this rate, she is hardly as promiscuous as Hachi was in high school. Yes, the social commentary is beginning to appear, WanderingKinight. I hope I agree with it as it comes out, lol. I think the reason this show is as popular as it is is because it does so many things pretty well: romance, character and psychology, intrigue, social commentary, violence, even a bit of moe. I mean, it is unusual to have us here all enjoying the show, but with such different opinions and preferences within it. Which is a good thing. It transcends its josei tag. Maybe we can call it josei/seinen. Not bad. I'm not worried about Oosugi and Diana. There was a better candidate on the other side of the street, also with an umbrella, like a signal for Diana to recognize him.
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2009-05-09, 14:31 | Link #78 | |
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The chick is screwed up. She held an one-sided torch and got burned. She also blamed the job for not being more honest with her when jobs don't do that at interviews.
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2009-05-09, 15:11 | Link #80 |
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somehow i dont seem to sense much romance between Akira and Saki, even with the kiss and all. she just confessed that she's in love with her brother-in-law!
about poor Oosugi- i wouldn't blame Saki for leading him on; sure she is shown as being indescisive, taking indirect approeach to tell him she is not interested, but the guy doesn't get a hint himself! it was painful to see him stood up for the dinner, but i'm sure at that moment, after all the stuff she get to deal with at the interview, Oosugi was not the first thing on her mind; Akira just happened to meet her first. |
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