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View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha The MOVIE 1st - rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 61 | 43.88% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 42 | 30.22% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 8.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 12.23% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.44% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.72% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.72% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.16% | |
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2010-03-31, 16:10 | Link #1341 |
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Fate's kuudere. She was 100% kuudere in the first season, but it waned a bit in A's and StrikerS. But she's still a kuudere because she's serious in battle and blushes when she's around people she cares a lot about.
I wont deny the moe factor represents a good portion of Fate's popularity, but she's nothing like Mio. Mio was clearly made to pander to moe fans, first season Fate is pretty much devoid of moements aside from a few near the end. Well, aside from her looks in general. Anyways, MGLN gives the same treatment to all it's characters anyways. I'd say Nanoha was tailored to be more blatantly moe than Fate at a first glance.
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2010-03-31, 16:16 | Link #1342 |
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Fate is definitely a kuudere in the first season.
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Which is why my blog is named after her character type... And Mio is excessively forced 'moe,' her approach is an entirely different contrast from Fate's natural moe.
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2010-03-31, 17:16 | Link #1345 |
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Basic rule of thumb: "I think this character is cool!" does not equal a kuudere.
A kuudere, like a tsundere, is someone who acts all serious/silent/stoic/cynic but really is just a softy on the inside. Like tsundere, they hide their true emotions behind their facades. Battle-mode doesn't count, after all every character is serious in a battle. I mean if we count battle-mode then any character becomes a kuudere. Nanoha, Teana, Nove... Fate is not a kuudere. Even in season 1 she was never hiding or masking her emotions, she really was a 'sad girl.' The girl has always worn her heart on her sleeve, that's why Nanoha sympathizes with her in the first place (sad eyes, remember?) A much better example of a kuudere would be Ein. Especially in chapter 10, where she tries to act all calm and collected after telling Vivio that story, but inside she's all 'Awawawa! I made Vivio sad! WhatdoIdo? WhatdoIdo?' |
2010-03-31, 17:27 | Link #1346 | |
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Anyways, I'm sure we both can agree Tomoyo is a kuudere...She's similar, really, Fate's just far more dere than her, but Fate still has that kuu side. I think you're more referring to dandere. Kuudere don't need to be expressionless or emotionless, it's simply a mix between 'cool' and 'dere' TV Tropes agrees - "Dark Magical Girl Fate, particularly during season 1 of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. Later seasons has her "dere" part coming out more, with the "cool" part being reserved for combat."
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2010-03-31, 17:34 | Link #1347 |
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I say Fate wasn't masking her emotions because she wasn't masking anything. Everyone immediately noticed what a sad girl she was the moment they saw her. Not just Nanoha. If you call that masking, that's a pretty poor job.
I never said kuudere's are emotionless, I said they hide their emotions behind their facades. Fate didn't do this, she was sad throughout the entire first season, and everyone noticed. Tomoyo did hide it, and managed managed to fool pretty much everyone except Tomoya, who dug deeper and exposed the real girl underneath. Fate wasn't exposed, she changed. She was a sad girl in S1 but got happiness as it ended, and became happy as a result. Big difference. |
2010-03-31, 17:35 | Link #1348 | |
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Trying to call Fate a kuudere, basically takes away any impact of the bridge scene, and Nanoha's attempts to reach her in general. So yeah, if you want to claim Fate as a Kuudere... you just end destroying any emotional impact of Fate's growth and the Nanoha/Fate friendship in the process. Edit: And TVtropes can be edited by anyone, so I wouldn't take that as a source. "Hey, look at this webpage I quote that I just wrote myself! That makes it official!" |
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2010-03-31, 17:42 | Link #1349 | ||
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Wiki can be edited and people try and claim that as offical as well. I could find a dozen other sources stating that Fate's a kuudere, either way... Quote:
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2010-03-31, 17:47 | Link #1350 | |
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Like I said, Ein is a much better example of a kuudere in Nanoha. She actively tries to hide her emotions behind a seemingly calm facade, occasionally breaking to show the real girl underneath. Might as well ask who didn't notice. Shorter list that way, as aside from Nanoha, Amy, Chrono and Lindy had no problem seeing the sad girl who just needed a bit of love. |
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2010-03-31, 17:49 | Link #1351 | |
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But in reality, this only proves my point more; Fate did feel a twisted sort of love for Precia... she was displaying that openly! A kuudere would have done what Fate did, but never admit out loud that they were doing it for love. They would try to act cool and downplay it, or outright deny why they were doing it. |
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2010-03-31, 17:54 | Link #1352 | ||
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Come on, this is sooo Kuudere, lol Quote:
I think you guys are taking kuudere and making it more linear than it really is. Just as tsunderes can be debated, as can kuuderes. Fate's not a kuudere of her own wishes, but I believe her mother turned her into one. As in, she doesn't do it to act cool, but I think it's something she naturally does. Mainly because of Precia, since she clearly wasn't one in the sound stages.
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2010-03-31, 18:06 | Link #1354 | |
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And yes, Fate's a woobie, but that same page also classifies her as a 'stoic woobie' - And she has obvious elements of dere. Stoic + Dere, sounds like a kuudere to me.
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2010-03-31, 18:17 | Link #1356 |
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You know what, I think you guys are just outright confused between tsundere and kuudere now.
Using Tomoyo as an example again. She valaues reason over emotion, did she have any problem at all openly expressing how she felt about Tomoya? Tomoyo pretty much defines the kuudere archetype as well, so if she can express her feelings openly and still be a kuudere, so can Fate. The whole reason I don't like tsundere is because of their inability to express their feelings to their loved ones - kuuderes are different. Kuudere are pretty much the opposite in-fact. They're brash to the ones they don't know and have a distinct sense of kindness to those they love. Tsundere's on the other hand are so embarrassed and confused that they're more often than not cold to the ones they love and normal to everyone else. With the occasional "gentle" moment to the one they have a crush on.
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2010-03-31, 18:30 | Link #1358 | |
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So if Kuudere = no display of emotion, And you say Fate = displaying love which is an emotion then you're saying Fate can't be a kuudere after all. |
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2010-03-31, 18:33 | Link #1359 | |
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Anyways, luckily for myself and all of you - I have to help some one move~
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