Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

Welcome to the discussion thread for Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid, Episode 5.

Thread Guidelines

• Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
• Spoilers or hints about future events must not be posted in this thread.
  If you need to reference something that would spoil a future event, reply directly with a private message, or seek out a more appropriate thread.
• Discuss your expectations of the episode if it has not aired yet.
• Be polite to your fellow forum members.
• Please try to keep the discussion on-topic.
• Character bashing is not on-topic and will not be tolerated.
• Do not post multiple times in a row. Please edit your existing post if you wish to add additional thoughts.

Episode Thread Spoiler Policy

• Any comment that discloses events, characters, plot or other information before it is revealed in the anime is expressly forbidden whether or not it is behind spoiler tags.
  Spoiler tags should still be used where appropriate.
  Please consult the AnimeSuki Spoiler Policy for more information.
• Adding a Spoiler tag:
  

  Just highlight your spoiler and click the button found on the "Quick Reply" and "Reply to Thread" forms. Make sure that you include a useful title!

• Please use the Report button if you see any inappropriate spoilers:
  

  Click the button found to the left of the post, just under the poster's avatar. Using the Report button is anonymous and helps the Moderators locate and deal with problems quickly.

• Posting inappropriate spoilers may result in a ban.
  Note: Reporting a post does not mean the poster will be banned instantly.
  The Moderators will use bans if warnings are repeatedly ignored.

[Takamura Mamoru]

[NiwaDaisuke]

The onsen scene was longer and less toned down than expected, not in line with the previous episodes I think.
Laughed at Einhart being surprised for Vivio's mothers being mages.
They moved the training battle to next episode, I didn't expect that.

[Nachtwandler]

Originally Posted by NiwaDaisuke

They moved the training battle to next episode, I didn't expect that.

I don't mind. If they have 26 eps or even 24 there's no reason to rush. And having full ep for the battle is much better than a half

[NiwaDaisuke]

Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

I don't mind. If they have 26 eps or even 24 there's no reason to rush. And having full ep for the battle is much better than a half

And having half an episode of onsen is better than a 1/4.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Takamura Mamoru

And yet they still censored it compared to the manga version.

They moved the training battle to next episode, I didn't expect that.

I figured they would do that. In order to keep the history lesson, the demonstration to Einhart of who Nanoha and Fate really are, and the onsen event, they'd pretty much have to push the battle into the next episode: there's no way it would get the time it deserves otherwise.

In other news, yet again they have avoided making any mention of the Saint's Cradle. I believe the only time it's been referenced at all in the anime was in Einhart's dream that they showed in episode 2. They've completely cut out every flashback, comment, and comparison that any character has made to it, otherwise. I don't think it would have killed them to have acknowledged that Vivio had some clue about what happened to her "ancestor" here, because it almost happened to her.

[Stark700]

Damn. This must of left a mark D:

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Stark700

Damn. This must of left a mark D:

Rio's pretty awesome. She ranks up towards the top of my favorites in Vivid.

For those who didn't catch it, her "elemental transformation" (converting pure magical energy into some form of physical element: lightning and fire in this case) is, so far, unique in the series because she can use two different elements at the same time. We've seen Fate and Erio both use lightning, and Signum and Agito use fire, but that's it. Elemental-energy users generally have a single affinity: one element that they can convert magical energy into naturally without requiring a difficult and draining magical process, but Rio does it with two. There's good reason everyone was shocked when she revealed that.

[novalysis]

Do we know what are the Mage Ranks of the Vivid cast? Rio seems to be at least a B Ranker, if not higher.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Do we know what are the Mage Ranks of the Vivid cast? Rio seems to be at least a B Ranker, if not higher.

We aren't sure at this point if the letter rankings given to the girls on their report cards are the same as the overall mage rankings or not, but I would not be surprised if Rio actually is S-rank, at least in terms of physical and magical ability if not training. Certainly higher than B: folks may remember the B-rank test Subaru and Tea took in episode 1 of StrikerS. I would frankly be astonished if Rio couldn't clear that right now.

One of the problems with determining mage rank in Nanoha series is that it's not a very clearly defined system, and sometimes the same letter ranks are used for different things. Sometimes people can possess an enormous amount of power that would make them equivalent to AAA or S-rank or higher, but not possess the skill to use it, and thus be officially ranked lower. It's hard to know what the standards are. In terms of power I am confident that Rio is another prodigy like Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate: possessing incredible raw power for her age. But where that actually sets her ranking is more ambiguous.

[Rising Dragon]

Rio an S-rank? Even though I get what you're saying, that's DEFINITELY pushing it. I doubt she has the skill or reserves to handle combat monsters like Nanoha, Fate, or Signum. Ranking doesn't just determine overall strength, after all, and while Rio's good, she still has a long way to go.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Rio an S-rank? Even though I get what you're saying, that's DEFINITELY pushing it. I doubt she has the skill or reserves to handle combat monsters like Nanoha, Fate, or Signum. Ranking doesn't just determine overall strength, after all, and while Rio's good, she still has a long way to go.

That's why it's hard to determine. I believe she has the power, but not yet the ability. Mage ranks are a weird thing. Hayate gets SS rank and has shown powers that could obliterate cities, yet could easily be beaten if engaged in direct combat. Caro was C-rank when she summoned a godzilla-sized dragon who obliterated thousands of Gadget drones like they weren't even there, and later fought an S-ranked summoner to a standstill. Tea was B-rank when she took out three combat cyborgs (almost) singlehandedly.

[Rising Dragon]

Those were just their official classifications at the time, though, and no longer indicative of their real strength. IIRC Caro was officially A+ in a synthetic rank by the end of StrikerS, and Teana an AA rank. So it's not a matter of a C-rank being able to best an S-rank, because unofficially Caro was no longer a C-rank mage.

[Random Wanderer]

A+ is still far below S. It shouldn't even have been a fight. The point, however, is that, because the mage ranking system has not been clearly defined, it is very hard for us to determine what a mage's rank is and why unless we're told. Two people fighting evenly doesn't necessarily indicate that they have the same rank, or even ranks that are close to each other. By the same token, one side losing badly to another doesn't necessarily indicate that their ranks are significantly different.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Sein you are sexually harassing the clone of the person which your religion is worshiping. You can get labeled a heretic and excommunicated for that.

[Benigmatica]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Sein you are sexually harassing the clone of the person which your religion is worshiping. You can get labeled a heretic and excommunicated for that.

Well, she doesn't mind that...

Gotta say that Sein messed with the wrong girl like Rio Wesley!

[LoweGear]

Something strange just clicked to me as I was listening to the dialogue for this episode...

Since Ingvalt's style of martial arts was called "Haoh Ryu", and the entire Nanohaverse takes place in the Dimensional Sea... does that mean his style is actually "Jigen Haoh Ryu"?

*RUNS*

[Anh_Minh]

What kind of man titles his memoirs "the name carved in history" or whatever that was?

Is Caro, despite the addition of elementary schoolers to the cast, still the flattest? At least she isn't the shortest.

Re: Brunzel: yes, that's how a Device should talk.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

What kind of man titles his memoirs "the name carved in history" or whatever that was?

I believe that was a reprinting of his memoirs (the originals wouldn't have survived), and someone may have taken a bit of editorial license with the title.

Re: Brunzel: yes, that's how a Device should talk.

Sometimes I wish the people who voice the devices would smack the writers upside the head and tell them they have no clue how English works. However, poor Brunzel's line here was decided long before there was a voice for it, so there wasn't much of a choice (although I would have been fine if they'd decided to fix that line in the adpatation).

Still not as bad as Bardiche's "Retrival in: it arrives within two minutes" which was somehow intended to translate to "we'll get there in two minutes."

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Is Caro, despite the addition of elementary schoolers to the cast, still the flattest? At least she isn't the shortest.

Not by Force, at least. It's hard to tell underneath her barrier jacket but Caro is developing curves in all the right places.

Her height, on the other hand, is a different story entirely...