Shakugan no Shana III - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll

[Elf song]

Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire

Spoiler for Location of Seireiden in Episode 6 - 15?:

If I am not mistaken, the novel reveals that the location of Seireiden in Episode 6 - 15 of Season 3, where SotF returned via God Gate, is Hawaii. Now, SotF Yuji wants the Seireiden to go in northeast direction to Misaki City, Japan. How can it be true? I believe that it should be northwest direction from Hawaii to Japan. Correct me if I am wrong.

Since it's probably not a spoiler now... Seireiden was at a certain plain in China.

Spoiler for but:

Hawaii is where Pheles doing her research on that Silver thing.

[Marcus H.]

And the rings... Yuuji has one and shana like 3 or 4

Yuuji's ring is Azure.
Shana's rings are the Chorde, which she took from Kasha, whom she defeated in two separate ways in the light novels and the anime.

[taichi-kun]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Yuuji's ring is Azure.
Shana's rings are the Chorde, which she took from Kasha, whom she defeated in two separate ways in the light novels and the anime.

thanks.. I really don't remember.. I'll check

Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire

If you do not mind the spoiler, I can reveal the answer in spoiler thread. Still, I cannot be sure whether the anime will reveal what the rings are, or not in subsequent episodes.

I wouldn't mind maybe you can help me

[alvinkhorfire]

@Elf song
Thanks for revealing the correct location of Seireiden in Episode 6 - 15. + rep if possible.

@taichi-kun
Marcus H., the owner of Shana Wikia, has answered your question on my behalf. Refer to Marcus H.'s answer, because Marcus H. certainly knows more about Shakugan no SHANA than me. + rep if possible for Marcus H.'s answer.

Originally Posted by taichi-kun

And the rings... Yuuji has one and shana like 3 or 4

Answer:

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Yuuji's ring is Azure.
Shana's rings are the Chorde, which she took from Kasha, whom she defeated in two separate ways in the light novels and the anime.

[SkyFlames]

Kasha was the guy that Shana killed a fraction of second before he could eat Konoe, right? But those rings were really useless, just made random explosions not even enough powerfull to scratch Shana. Or maybe they were lethal yet not enough fast to catch her. At best, I think that Shana may use those as a decoy, I don't think they can actually hurt the Trinity or Yuji.

[Elf song]

Originally Posted by SkyFlames

Kasha was the guy that Shana killed a fraction of second before he could eat Konoe, right? But those rings were really useless, just made random explosions not even enough powerfull to scratch Shana. Or maybe they were lethal yet not enough fast to catch her. At best, I think that Shana may use those as a decoy, I don't think they can actually hurt the Trinity or Yuji.

There is more than meets the eyes about those rings.

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Next episode will have a LOT of talk again, I can guarantee that.

[Marcus H.]

@alvinkhorfire
Lol at mentioning my name five times in a single post.
But I'm a bit embarrassed; I actually paused watching Shana Final because I'm attached to Dragon Nest for the meantime. I'll get back to the wiki soon.

[Senshigeia]

I watched this episode two days ago, but I haven't made my comment yet. For me it's an 8/10. Great episode but I remember some previous ones that were perfect, and also I am expecting some explosive ones in the next weeks.
It's good to have some character development after So much action. Loved to see Margery driving a car, and I LMAO when I saw Marco on the seat next to her! Also, loved Shana and her melon pan, so cheerfulty eating it.

I also thank for explaning those rings and reminding where Shana got them. I was like WTF when I saw them.

[taichi-kun]

Thanks again, I read the wikia... yeah Yuuji with azure will be more badass,poor shana...

[Nochgo]

I can see it now. Next episode: Yuji, who found the 'new' Shana displeasing to his tastes, decided to fall back to Plan B, where he accepts Yoshida's love. Shana's love goes unrequited, no matter how hard she attempts to win Yuji back with her normal tsundere antics (urusaii x3). Yuji will then crush the entire Flame Haze force and live happily ever after in Xanadu with Yoshida.

Back to the episode, it was an OK intermission episode. We don't actually learn anything new/big about the characters or about their plan from now on.

[FlareKnight]

Well think it was an important episode just to get into the heads of the characters a bit. Plus needed some kind of reason to oppose Yuji's plan and this is good enough. Go down a road of sacrificing lives now to save everyone down the road. True enough if this plan would eventually lead to the destruction of all the worlds then it would be bad. Sure for those who just want to live peacefully now it's fine. While possible things wouldn't go that bad, can't exactly trust the Tomogara to behave themselves without any Flame Haze keeping an eye on things.

Kind of ironic that Yuji fought so hard to protect Misaki City and is now going to bring the final battle to it. He has to know there will be a fight to stop this and yet he'll bring that city into the line of fire.

[Guido]

The dialog indicated that developments are underway for the setting up of the final confrontation, even though this marked the calm before the storm.

Spoiler:

Shana makes a valid point that they cannot let Serpent of the Ritual to go with its plans to create the world of Xanadu.

The distortions are made because Tomogara after consuming humans POE, then they turn that power into an unstable energy which is what causes the unstable fluctuations in Earth and Guze.

If Xanadu is created and all Tomogara leave Earth for there, and supposing that the Serpent of the Ritual can keep the world filled with POE by creating humans for the tomogara to consume, then it'll be centuries or millenia ahead into the future when a catastrophe of imbalance would finally hit the Earth, Guze, and Xanadu.

However, Sophie Sawallisch also made another valid point.

Spoiler:

With Serpent of the Ritual's declaration most Flame Hazes already lost their will to fight, because that majority of FH became ones for revenge's sake which was a point addressed with Margery's introduction at season one.

Those like Shana became FH for the cause and to contribute to the mission of hunting Tomogara, and we got ourselves Seere whom became FH under special circumstance that did not involve fighting for the mission or for revenge.
Seere disclosed he was made FH, because of someone and that someone wishes to leave Earth for the promised paradise.

Ok. The point is that the rest of the FH cannot be forced to fight for the world at stake, because they lost their path.

But, Shana walking on her own built path, because Yuuji taught her things from the other side: being a normal girl experiencing what is to live an ordinary life out of being a Flame Haze. Hence, Shana no longer fights just for the cause of the mission, but because she wants to rescue and pick-up Yuuji and both to choose the path they want to walk together.

Consequently, if all FH gathered at the airport discussed what they should do, it was for them to pick-up their own paths, and what to do from here on; nonetheless, Shana gave them all inspiration to choose for themselves.

And, coincidences could not be smaller.....

Spoiler:

Sakai's dad is returning home to Misaki City, and he unawaredly crossed path with Shana without both of them noticing.

Yuuji/Serpent of Ritual gave orders to head for Misaki City, because that's the place of great sentimental value to him to start the beginning of Xanadu.

It's been a long time, but Pheles has finally stepped into the stage and waits for something to happen. And, I can bet my two cents that the Giralda she gave to Kazumi will finally play its role once the final confrontation starts.

[Crontica]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Well think it was an important episode just to get into the heads of the characters a bit. Plus needed some kind of reason to oppose Yuji's plan and this is good enough. Go down a road of sacrificing lives now to save everyone down the road. True enough if this plan would eventually lead to the destruction of all the worlds then it would be bad. Sure for those who just want to live peacefully now it's fine. While possible things wouldn't go that bad, can't exactly trust the Tomogara to behave themselves without any Flame Haze keeping an eye on things.

Kind of ironic that Yuji fought so hard to protect Misaki City and is now going to bring the final battle to it. He has to know there will be a fight to stop this and yet he'll bring that city into the line of fire.

Either the 15,000 year war stops now with a plan that pretty much has the most sanest conclusion possible or somebody decides to carpet bomb the entire debacle.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Damn, nobody told me Shakugan no Shana would be a globe-trotting adventure


Anybody has any picture to compare Hong Kong with ? I know from a certain past series JC Staff are pretty diligent when it comes to depicting real world locations...

[alvinkhorfire]

Originally Posted by ars89

So who were those 3 people in like the desert that suddenly got found by someone? Didn't get who they were or who found them. Pheles appeared for a bit.

Thanks to Shana Wikia, I have obtained the names of those 3 people. I will reveal it in the Spoiler thread.

Spoiler for The Names of Those 3 People:

It is just a single post.
Spoiler Post

According to Elf song, they make a short appearance in Shakugan no Shana Final episode 13 (9 minutes 12 seconds) in their human disguise.
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I could not say it better than the following text quoted from another forum.

In one of the scenes in the ED showing SotF Yuji holding Blutsauger, there is a reflection on the sword, showing that he had a pretty evil-looking smile there. It was the 2nd image before the image of Yuji and Shana clashing. So, Sairei no Hebi may be holding something back from Yuji.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Elf song

Hope Okamoto Nobuhiko (Accelerator)'ll be Southvalley's voice actor.

In ED, Bel Peol looks like sadistic woman
Three gods, you're too cool!
Shana's arm with Nietono no Shana in the last pic is weird. Look like it's floating without attaching to her body.

Yeah....Hecate always looks so cute too as usual. And I love the pose of Chiara standing atop Zorya

[Kristen]

Ooh! Yuji meets Yoshida next episode! Love confession coming? ^^

[Triple_R]

That was an awesome episode. The Flame Haze side really needed an episode like this in order to fully flesh out their motivations, and hence make their overall cause more sympathetic.

Also, as much as I love action-packed anime episodes (especially in this show), it really was a welcomed break in the action to have a slower, more deliberative, more character development-focused episode like this one. It really did do a lot to cast all of the remaining Flame Hazes in a sympathetic, if not likable, light.

Shana's way of explaining the Flame Haze misgivings with Snake of the Festival's plans also sounded a bit clearer to me than Centerhill's did. She did a good job of taking what he said, and putting it in more
"down-to-Earth" and easily grasped terms, imo. Shana may or may not be right, but her position is a defensible one, and makes sense.


It's also interesting in that it shows just how incredibly duty-bound Shana is. Hearing her reasoning honestly made me think of an environmentalist activist arguing that we need to cut down on our energy use or somewhere way down the line the Earth's weather systems will be drastically harmed by what we do.

Not everybody is visionary enough, or selfless enough, to truly care about the long-term future of Earth and/or humanity. At a personal level, Shana may well be happier simply going along with Yuji's plan and presumably becoming Queen of his new world Xanadu. She could spend hundreds upon hundreds of years in peace and tranquility there, but she chooses instead to put her duty first. There's something about that which is pretty remarkable, and also admirable. Whether or not one agrees with Shana, I feel like you have to respect her.


That being said, Kazumi Yoshida's all-time No. 1 fan Kristen has given me an idea. I wonder why Yuji is going to meet up with Kazumi and Eita? Is he trying to sow dissension in the ranks? Is he going to try to sincerely persuade them to join his side of the conflict? Does he want to send a message to Shana through them? Does he want them to be moles for Bal Masque within the remaining Flame Haze ranks? Is he just looking up old friends, wanting to enjoy some time as though he was a normal human before he goes back to doing his Sosuke Aizen impersonation?

No, I think that he he's fed up with Shana not going along with his grand plans for him and her, and is saying...


Yuji: Screw little Miss Flame-haired Blazing-eyed Hunter! Girl doesn't respect the main man Yuji enough, yo! God of Creation right here, brother!

Dantalion: Preeeach it, myyyyy brotheeeeerrrr!!!

Yuji: Feel my ability to create endless bling! Now I'm going to share that, and Queenship of all Xanadu, with Yoshida-Mama!

Sydonay: Right on! You're one bad motherfu...

Hecate: Watch your mouth!

Sydonay: I'm only talking about Yuji!

Hecate: Oh, then I can dig it!


And I dig this episode. 9/10 for Episode 16.

[Marcus H.]

^ Screw you, I read those lines in their respective voices.
But nice analogy with environmental activists there.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

^ Screw you, I read those lines in their respective voices.

Oh, that's what I intended! I think it's funnier that way. Especially for Dantalion and Hecate.

But nice analogy with environmental activists there.

Thanks!