2012-10-04, 17:51 | Link #984 |
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Of course, all talk before the debate was that undecided voters are scared and want to see someone charismatic that says they'll fix everything. Like always Romney didn't detail anything and said a lot of things like he always does while changing his views again. The debate isn't about talking, it's about looking good and that's where Obama messed up.
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2012-10-04, 19:01 | Link #987 | |
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2012-10-04, 19:25 | Link #990 | |
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Romney literally got nothing. Everything he said at the debates are the reverse of what he was saying in the last week. He isn't so much lying as just making stuff up.
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2012-10-04, 21:30 | Link #992 |
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The issue is that he would have zero credibility internationally. Domestically he would just obey the GOP, but leaders like Putin aren't going to take kindly to Romney's style of lying to people in front of their faces.
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2012-10-04, 21:37 | Link #993 | |
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For this reason, despite their many flaws, they are considered heroes to the average American. They could have cemented the Gilded Age, but instead they took a sledgehammer to it. Obama is nothing compared to that - he simply lacks the fire needed to do what is right instead of what is easy. He's not a fighter. That's the reason progressives are so unhappy with him.
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2012-10-04, 21:53 | Link #995 | |
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1) Who runs 2) Who each party chooses as its representative 3) Who gets to vote at the national conventions for who gets to be the representative The most they can do in the process is vote in the straw polls, which can mean nothing due to fraud (happened in at least two instances during this election year if I recall) or mean nothing due to who the 1% is willing to pour money into. Like it or not, you need money for elections. A lot of money. And there's no way anyone can compete against the 1% without being the 1%, in which case it's not "the people" who are deciding things anyway! |
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2012-10-04, 22:01 | Link #996 | |
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2012-10-04, 22:08 | Link #997 | |
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I mean, for instance, we have Mitt going against Obama. I'd rather have someone like Jon Huntsman trying to become president, but the rich folks who back the GOP don't want him, they want Mitt because he will carry out their GOP agenda better than Jon Huntsman could. When we have people running for president, it isn't even a matter of who is the best for the candidate position anymore, it is about who has the money. For republican candidates, the one that makes it the farthest is the one the very wealthy will support.
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2012-10-04, 22:14 | Link #998 |
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It isn't the "people's fault" if there's been a concerted effort to pollute the process with money such that only monied approval gets one into the primaries.
What are the "people" supposed to do, shoot the appointed judges who make such devastating rulings? At some point, this starts sounding like "blame the rape victim" when the blame is on the perpetrators - the ultra-wealthy barons who want to undermine the system. The people are going to have to fix it but getting 300 million people moving in one direction is a lot of inertia to overcome.
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2012-10-04, 22:22 | Link #999 | |
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Pretty sure no one openly campaigns as a "delegate" for national conventions these days. You pretty much get in by being picked, which is why they're often the likes of Jets Owner Woody Johnson. The people don't choose who those people choose, either. You can hope they vote the way you want, but they don't have to. And even then, primaries mean jack squat if you aren't one of the first four or five states to hold their primaries. By the time 90% of them come around, most candidates have dropped out, or they don't even make it on to the ballet. |
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2012-10-04, 22:29 | Link #1000 |
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I said it before, and I will say it again; if Romney "won" this debate, it means the United State of America is dead.
You know what was one of the first tales I learned about America as a child? The story about the young George Washington and the cherry tree. A story about honesty. Is the tale historically accurate? Who knows. But we do know it was popularly touted as a virtue for the first President of the United States. Everywhere online, I keep hearing "It doesn't matter Romney lied! The undecided voters are too stupid anyway!" Well, if you don't think lying even MATTERS, then I don't want anything to do with you. In Romney's America, USA is a den of charlatans.
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