2011-07-26, 13:26 | Link #20661 |
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Could you refresh me on the mental connection part? I have atm no clue what it is D:.
@Shinso: We haven't received that much information anyway. Just that you need to somehow obtain the blood of a Shinso in a large amount to become a Shinso vampire yourself/to get the "ímmense" power of it (stated by Akua during the flashback at the beginning of the battle with Akasha). And because Ikeda didn't specify if you need to get that amount of blood in one shot or also little by little, it has worked for Tsukune who obtained it by the second option. How often did Moka bite him to heal him? 3 or 4 times at minimum? @Tsukune and Moka's "dual" awakening of Alucard: Regardless if it happens or not, it would be quite easy to make them angry at the same time: Hurt/Tortue one and in turn earn the anger of the other, rinse and repeat. The same is valid if you "just" use their friends as a trigger. Again, I would LOVE to see Akua's and maybe Gyokuro's face when they learn that Tsukune also has Shinso blood or if Moka alone would indeed be not enough. Like: Akua/Gyokuro: "Muahaha, finally Alucard will awaken! Do your job MOKA!" *events happens, but no Alucard.* Both: "WTF has gone wrong!? " |
2011-07-26, 13:50 | Link #20662 | |
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2011-07-26, 14:16 | Link #20663 |
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dunno if this mental connection thing is used consistently enough to build specs on it. in the last couple of chapters the other two girls both "felt" uneasieness when Tsukune was undegoing modification... So its not entirely clear what is special shinso mindmeld and what is love/harem mindmeld
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2011-07-26, 19:14 | Link #20664 |
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Its been proven that in the first season, Tsukune and Ura-Moka has a mental connection this could be do to the synchronization of both of their Shinso blood no doubt, infact Ura-Moka mentioned somehow in the first season that she could mentally talk to Tsukune when she injected him with her blood.
However, i don't really see how Tsukune being human would have done anything to the synchronization, according to Touhou's logic in Moka's memories, there would be no chance of synchronization between Moka and Alucard, but as he pointed out "fate has changed", meaning this same logic would apply to Tsukune as well, regardless of his human origin, even if he was a vampire this logic would still apply, though now we all know it's obvious that Moka's and Tsukune's Shinso blood are synchronized sharing the same wavelength, which means since Tsukune's Shinso blood is synchronized with Moka's, than that means his is also synchronized with Alucard's, i really don't see why it wouldn't be until it's proven. I think i'll stick to the theory that both Moka and Tsukune are required to wake Alucard up (to me it makes more sense than the theories provided so far) and if Tsukune's youki source for his Youjutsu is his Shinso power rather than a youki reservoir of his own than only using small amounts shouldn't effect Alucard, as Chris38 pointed out, Akasha was keeping her Shinso power compressed to prevent Alucard's awakening while she watched over the seal, this would also work for both Moka and Tsukune, the Shinso power being compressed that is. Another thing, Touhou's Human Modification Technique is designed to reconstruct human bodies to use Youjutsu, this would also mean that the human would also gain a youki reservoir of their own, like all Youkai have, youki is the source of a youkai's power and it's also key for using Youjutsu, which means Tsukune should definitely have a youki reservoir of his own with the addition of his Shinso power, but unfortunately this is only a speculation.
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2011-07-27, 03:52 | Link #20668 |
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I'm with haegar on the issue with mental connection. Over the course of the series, it hasn't been built up enough to actually make any conclusions about it. Take the recent events for instance. If Moka and Tsukune felt such a strong mental connection, why didn't Moka feel Tsukune's transformation or anything? I'd have imagined we'd have seen Moka be slightly troubled by the event even at a distance. As for Tsukune feeling that Moka was lonely during his training, I'd go as far as saying that was just his instinct or a plot device to emphasize Tsukune's determination to save her.
As for awakening Alucard, I'll stick to either/or Moka/Tsukune, rather than both of them having to snap together for it to happen. The last time it happened, Moka alone was enough even tho she shares Akasha's blood. By your logic, Moka and Akasha both should've snapped in the flashback, and there wouldn't have been any reason for Akasha to hold back against Akua. Also, unlike what you say, Tsukune does have enough power to cause Alucard to awaken, considering what Fuhai-sensei said about Tsukune having the same kind of power and presence as Alucard. But alas, I doubt even this will convince you so I'll leave it at that |
2011-07-27, 03:53 | Link #20669 |
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I just can't wait for see the new Tsukune powers..(vampire)...
If i'm not a mistaken, Chris38 said that, in chapter 43, when Tsukune used the new technique, has not used its power (Youkai vampire)..is correct? then again we don't know how much Tsukune is become stronger...I hope to see a bit of 'training that made Tsukune.. when the next chapter comes out? I wonder, what the reaction will Moka, when she see the new Tsukune... |
2011-07-27, 07:09 | Link #20670 |
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Well with mommy evil on the heroes tail I am sure Tsukune will have ample opportunity to show off some more moves. That woman seriously scares me. I mean Moka's older killer sister using Fuhai techniques like a prodigy is frightening ... but she seems pretty harmless compared to mum
BTW some question here on Moka's familly history, I might have overread some details. Do we know what happened to her father actually? Why did he have two wives in the first place?
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2011-07-27, 07:22 | Link #20671 | |
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@haegar We don't know yet what happened to Issa Shuzen, Ikeda will give us a story about that in the future, according to Hokuto, Gyokuro Shuzen is the current head of the Shuzen family, but i have a feeling whatever happened to Issa wasn't a good thing, hes actually a pretty good character even though he tells his daughters to kill eachother every once in a while.
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2011-07-27, 07:43 | Link #20672 | |
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Like Shinso Tsukune said, nobody knows what happened to him, so we can only speculate. My theory is that the Vampire guild blamed Issa for Alucard's awakening, and Gyokurou used that opportunity to take his power and exiled/killed him. I would hope for the former, and I'm even hoping that it was just Gyokurou who overthrew him but the other Vampires are still secretly loyal to Issa. |
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2011-07-27, 08:09 | Link #20673 |
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thx for clarifying that you two... cause I was wondering if I had missed something about him since suddenly he wasnt head of familly anymore.
BTW I do think that in the flashback into Moka's mind, he did let the two sisters fight cause he wanted to asses Akua's strength not out of simple curiosity but because he saw her as a threat to the rest of the family from the start: What we are really lacking atm is the familly backstory, which hopefully will come with Fairy Mum now ... I mean Moka's mum was goregeous, sexy, hax strong, loving, gentle ... why would you even marry another one while she is still alive? or was Moka's mom the 2nd wife? This is all terribly confusing ... I hate that about monthly mangas ... ah but than again it keeps you engaged with it :/ On another matter, since Moka's mom left her her the rosario - there SHOULD be some legacy the father left to his daughter that also gives us more info...and Moka some more chance of survival ... I rly hope something like this occurs somehow ...
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2011-07-27, 08:58 | Link #20674 | |
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2011-07-27, 15:01 | Link #20675 |
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Akasha was his misstress? Lol I totally missed that .. I wonder, Gyokorou doesnt strike me as the type to tolerate a misstress of her hubby in the first place ... well I guess there is no point speculating bout his reasons and actions atm... I rly wish though there'd be more along those lines - on the other hand... if the current arc deals with Gyokorou and her daughters, maybe dad is for later story parts...
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2011-07-27, 16:11 | Link #20676 | |
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2011-07-28, 04:47 | Link #20680 |
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I think it was stated in the manga but I can't look up the source since I'm at work. But let's look at some situational evidence: Gyokurou is now the head of the Shuuzen clan, not to mention Kahlua and Kokoa both carry the name Shuuzen rather than any other, whereas Moka carries a completely different name. From what I gather, children of a married couple will inherit the father's name. Considering Kahlua and Koka, both Gyokurou's daughters, inherited Issa's name, tells me that Gyokurou is Issa's wife, whereas Akasha is not.
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