Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Exactly how many.

You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something useful (and that make sense) instead?

EDIT: on topic:

I think 11 episodes are enough if they begin to develop the plot in the next episode.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something usefull (and that make sense) instead?

EDIT: on topic:

I think 11 episodes are enough if they begin to develop the plot in the next episode.

You're a real piece of work you know that?

Originally Posted by Adr 00

11 episodes may not be enough with so many subplots.

I was asking the how many subplots. His 'may' was refering to the 11 episodes.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something useful (and that make sense) instead?

Chaos was referring to the number of subplots Adr was talking about, not the "may".

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I was asking the how many subplots. His 'may' was refering to the 11 episodes.

My mistake, sorry. However, that doesn't mean your question was meaningful or even relevant. You just wanted to bug Adr 00.

Anyway, this will escalate to something quite troublesome if I don't stop here. Let's move on.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Apology accepted. However, that doesn't mean my question wasn't meaningful or not relevant. You just wanted to see it that way.

Anyway, this will escalate to something quite troublesome if I don't stop here. Let's move on.

Does anyone have a layout of the Number's combat position base on their individual speciality?

And how many subplots are there.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Does anyone have a layout of the Number's combat position base on their individual speciality?

And how many subplots are there.

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

thats a long list of subplots in this series...but the overall main plot is the relic's case.

I don't know if this counts but I guess I'll suggest it to add it on to that list.
How about the case of Subaru and Ginga's mother's death?
seemed like at the end of episode 14, Ginga looks like she wants to find out who killed her mother and get revenge.
So pretty much,
Ginga/Subaru:
-Who killed their mother and how is it related to the relics case.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.

See guys?there's so many and yet so little time.

[Darco_emp]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.

Nice summary on points many of the key points so far .

Still alot of things listed above ties in quite well together so there is a good chance that everything gets cover. Also Nanoha production team likes to throw things in air to throw people off , like the possibility of destruction of devices in A's which like Caro's serking dragon may never happen.

[Thisguy]

Originally Posted by Adr 00

Actually Caro could have just left the table and thusly not eating the carrot.Or trick Erio/Teana/subaru/anyone else nearby to look away and place the carrot on their plate.

Point is that Caro decided to have it herself, because of Hayate's "disliking won't make you beauty like N&F".
Erio even asked her what she's gonna do, clearly willing to accept it if she chose to do so

@Nighty
Actually, while having break time at my work, I got something like...

Originally Posted by Uber nonsense

Uno: No, I am your mother.
Subaru: NOOOOOOOOOOO!

... I blame the ultra-high temperature of my work-place

Edit:
Now that think about it, Marie was giving Nakajima sisters an usual "medical check"... Why Marie?
She is more of "technician", like she's been looking after Aces' device for 10 years, so I can't really think why she has to do that when Shamal is around in RF6.
With "Wing Road is an inherent magic of Subaru (or Nakajima's)" from latest comic, I can't help myself imagining some artifical factor within them as well...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Seen the episode today. Not bad of an episode...Subaru vs. Ginga sparring fight was interesting.

Spoiler for thoughts on episode:

-Training session with the instructor and a special guest, Ginga!
-Subaru vs. Ginga. That was an awesome fight. Both of them had the same type of fighting style and both of them are POWERFUL!
-Too bad, we didn't get to see the forwards plus Ginga go against the instructors...would have been an amazing sight to see, but would have taken up the whole episode though...so i guess it was best we weren't shown what went down in the fight.
-Zafira still doing babysitting duty, but by him doing this, he is getting screen time though
-Nanoha letting Vivio get up on her own after tripping from running. I dont think it was a bad thing to do. Well for one thing, Vivio's has got to learn from your own mistakes and so getting up on your own after falling down means that you're learning and maturing more instead of relying on others to help you out all the time. Of course, Fate went up to Vivio and helped her up.
-What was up with Caro taking Erio's carrot?!...either she was stealing from his plate or was trying to feed Erio...hmmm...
-Regius' plan involving Einjahar. (is that how you spell it?)
I've played Valkyrie Profile and they mentioned this concept alot in that game...a bit off topic but Einjahar are spirits that have fallen in combat and come join Valkyries in their battles as soldiers. I wonder how this will play out in future episodes...
-Scaglietti sure has alot of drones ready for battle....and more numbers!! Now I'm really lost, but uh, the ones in the tubes aren't fully awake yet, so I'm guessing all those test tubes must mean there are more numbers on the way or maybe thats it for the numbers...all together 12 numbers and each with the spanish word of their respected number name.
-Scaglietti having an orgasm when he was looking at his drones...weird doctor...I guess he finally found out how to create a drone that will last pretty long in battle.
-NAKED SUBARU AND GINGA!!!...I wonder why they had to get scanned for....and it was nice to see that they spent the whole day together. Although Ginga still looks like she wants to solve the murder of her mother's death.
-At the end of the episode, there was something being typed out...anyone know what it said?
-Preview for the next episode, seems like another big battle is coming and everyone seems to be alert about Scaglietti's plans...episode 16 is part one...we will be getting another big battle and hopefully, as everyone mostly predicted, we get the new opening theme in episode 16!

for the new ending theme, I will have to get used to listening to the new song "beautiful amulet"...nice song, but "Hoshizora no spica" is still in my head.
Not to mention, looks like Nanoha is back in the "secret garden" in this new ending.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!

Look,1 can be coved within conversations during the Episodes isnt a problem.But im afraid that if 2 and 3 are settled,there may not be room for 4.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Adr 00

Look,1 can be coved within conversations during the Episodes isnt a problem.But im afraid that if 2 and 3 are settled,there may not be room for 4.

You're confused about the focus of things. I didn't arrange them according to order of importance.

The prophecy, is the whole mess that is put into motion because of Jail and Lutecia's hunting of Relics.

The very first thing they'll tackle is in fact, the obvious enemy and his plans. Definately they'll have to confront both Jail and Lutecia about their intentions. However, inbetween there is the issue of what the Ground Forces are planning behind everybody's back.

Which then somehow all of this would be toss together into the plot-pot to stir up the prophecy which would be explained by their actions.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!

Well, I personally don't doubt that the subplots can be covered. Like I said, a lot of them already overlap by nature, and in the hands of a skilled writer, it can overlap even more.

But remember our whole "current pace" talk? Like how many episodes it took in general to resolve Teana's subplot, or the latest 3 episodes used as nothing but the calm, calm, calm before the storm along with more background related plot developments? I think the fears that some elements may feel rushed more so than the rest, etc is justified. I'd rather not worry and let things go as they go, but it's not like the complaints are not very biased.

Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.

And to be honest, I don't really think Eihenjar will be all that big of a deal as far as it sounds. I REALLY REALLY doubt they'll introduce MORE characters at this stage... and even if they do, they'll probably WTFPWNed by the Numbers to fuel the Numbers hype...since they obviously can't let the Numbers kill off any important characters this early. Even those like Vice.

@thisguy

Actually, when I heard that Ginga/Subaru's mom was involved the the War Humanoids thing, my first thought was "lol their mom is going to pull a Darth Vader as a Number or something"...then it kinda dawned that...maybe their mom was a War Humanoid or something... then all sorts of crack start pouring into my brain, I stopped the overflow.

Then yeah, with the Marie thing, the strange medical check-up condition (( Shamal's room... I don't see any scanner thing )) and the ominious cutting to the Numbers... holy shite, could it BE?!?!?!?

I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

yea what was up with that medical check up on Subaru and Ginga...I wonder if that has anything to do with anything right now...hmmm, but that theory of Subaru and Ginga's mom being a number herself...now that would be a twist to find out the results of that scan...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.

Yeah I noe I noe... I was just responding to Adr 00's paranoia...

You know how I feel about it.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

@thisguy

I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode.

So you're body naturally produces crack eh...?

That would explain the 'Exotic' taste

[Darco_emp]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

yea what was up with that medical check up on Subaru and Ginga...I wonder if that has anything to do with anything right now...hmmm, but that theory of Subaru and Ginga's mom being a number herself...now that would be a twist to find out the results of that scan...

I really wonder how did things develop to this state with a simple medical check up ...

Given they are pick up the pacing of things, I wonder if there will be many further personal relationship devlopments after action part of the plot starts to kicks in. I could see some downsides to put most air time to unresolved issues...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Originally Posted by Darco_emp

I really wonder how did things develop to this state with a simple medical check up ...

Given they are pick up the pacing of things, I wonder if there will be many further personal relationship devlopments after action part of the plot starts to kicks in. I could see some downsides to put most air time to unresolved issues...

well its just a theory for now...

with 11 episodes to go, I think there is alot of time left to resolve or explain all these subplots being shot at us in this series.
Its time for battle and I guess an all out war.
Einjahar that are under Regius' command. This could get ugly as Einjahar are referred to spirits that were chosen by Valkyries to become soldiers for them in a war. Einjahar can be referred to the "the dead will dance" part in the Prophecy.
Numbers and Scaglietti's army of drones...alot of them.
Not to mention, we still need an explanation from Lutecia herself on why Vivio seems so important in this relic case...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

Not to mention, we still need an explanation from Lutecia herself on why Vivio seems so important in this relic case...

Wrong person to ask. I'm guessing that she probably doesn't know or care about what the doctor and his Numbers want with Vivio.

What you should be asking her is what exactly does the numbers on the relic represent? And why is the Eleventh so vitally important to her?