2008-07-11, 21:18 | Link #1041 |
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It is Allen. After all, it was Allen's flashback scene. After the flashback you can see that Allen was really reminiscing the past.
Edit: And why wouldn't it be Allen? If it wasn't Allen it would leave a plot hole in the chapter. It couldn't be cross either since Cross should be as old as Mana. Then ask yourself what was the purpose of the flashback scene if it wasn't Allen? That scene would be pointless. |
2008-07-11, 21:25 | Link #1043 | |
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It is clearly Allen. |
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2008-07-11, 21:25 | Link #1044 | |
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agreed and they showed that 14th and mana at the same age (probably twins) while in the flashback mana looks alot alot older than allen - it's just not possible |
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2008-07-11, 21:31 | Link #1046 | |
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Allen, Allen... Unless Cross's original name is not Cross, but Allen... Like I said, no solid ground under my speculation. Hope that next week, we'll have more. If the Noah takes the satge next week, I think I'll go a bit crazy.
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2008-07-11, 21:37 | Link #1047 | |
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And Mana already said it was Allen. Turn to page 7, I say!. And on page 12 look at Allen's background its Mana as he have never met the 14th. And that background is identical to the clown he met at the flashback scene. Edit: Meh I give up. If solid evidence can't convince you, probably nothing will. |
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2008-07-11, 21:41 | Link #1048 | |
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What I'm absolutely certain is that Cross had a hand in the whole business. Mana, the 14th, him and Allen: these 4 are the Earl's biggest concerns. Road mentioned that the 14th tried to kill the Earl. With the 14th's death in the hands of the Earl, Mana became the target. Despite Cross's efforts, Mana still got bumped off. I think we can agree on this sequence of events.
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2008-07-11, 22:58 | Link #1049 |
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wait...didn't allen got his innocence (active) after he turned Mana into an Akuma ?
and the kid we saw had a parasite type hand...so , how could it be Allen ? Also , the allen named in the flashback , isn't that the dog's name ? edit : wait , nvm . went back to look , Allen was wearing gloves. Guess the kid in the flashback is Allen then . |
2008-07-11, 23:21 | Link #1050 | |
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That... Actually kinda made sense. I knew they were forshadowing something when Johnny asked Allen why he was always being so polite... But there's still one problem, even after taking that into account. From the pass few scenes and flashback that we have on Allen and Mana, Allen looked like a much younger child then in this current flash. In those previous times, Allen looked like he was 6-8, while this boy seem more bigger. Even at the point of Mana's death, he looked far too young and meek compared to this current flashback Allen.
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2008-07-11, 23:58 | Link #1051 |
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The first thing I thought is that it was the 14th and the Cross. The color or hair matches Cross while it is kind of odd for Allen, attitude is somewhat the same. On page 07: It said "You were Allen's friend, too". So, I am thinking it is the Cross. The clown could also be Mana from back back then rather than the 14th; but really I don't know.
Edit: Speaking of which, the art work quality seriously improved from Chapter 1.
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2008-07-12, 01:03 | Link #1052 |
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When I saw the first page, I thought for sure "what? Lavi and Bookman when they were young!?"
Then the following pages set them up Mana and Allen, which once again Hoshino-sensei's way of storyboarding makes you @_@ over the details. I suppose the new art retcons the ages of which Mana and Allen met and later travelled together. Allen acts far more refined now, but you can see elements of his rougher-side in that boy so it'd make sense. The most awkward thing was the Akuma hand that the dog licked. (( It definitely doesn't look like a glove )) I'm thinking that one panel alone had Hoshino-sensei going 'symbolism!" to show that the boy is Allen. The transitions are weird though, as usual. Other than that, the plot-twist is as what I expected. The moment they reinforced the fact that Noahs are 'humans', along with the fact that the '14th betrayed and died', it's pretty obvious that there would eventually be a Noah in the Order plot. And when they linked Allen to the 14th, either he becomes a living host, or it would turn out like Yu-Gi-Oh. :/
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2008-07-12, 07:58 | Link #1053 | |
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Between the trauma of losing Mana, and getting picked up by Cross (thus learning various dishonest ways of getting money, including con games...), I don't see why he couldn't have a drastic change.
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2008-07-12, 08:03 | Link #1054 |
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What I'm thinking now is that the first flashback at the begin of the chapter is indeed between Allen and Mana, as proven by the one scene later on with Allen thinking of Clown Mana. The difference in looks between the now young Allen and the previous young Allen is due to new art retcons the ages of which Mana and Allen met and later travelled together, as Nightengale said.
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2008-07-14, 00:28 | Link #1056 |
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Damn...I loved how the flash back was it was so awesome especially the two clowns ..i think that clown is the 14th
Um just to make sure the flash back is of Allen ..i know im late XD Spoiler for Pic:
P.S. And still No Krory
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2008-07-15, 18:48 | Link #1058 |
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I think I'll leave the dream sequence alone for a while, and talk on something we definitely know.
Now that the 14th is getting revived in Allen, I speculate that there will be a fight with Allen over who controls Allen's body. The most straightforward result is that Allen convinces the 14th to let him use his (the 14th's) powers on top of his Innocence. In life, the 14th was loved by the Earl, who must have felt betrayed when the 14th gave away the secrets of the Ark to Mana and Cross. So, I'm reasonably certain that he will not re-join the Earl after his "return".
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