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If you look at it this way, the story developments make sense. Kyon openly lusts after Mikuru, and later Yuki, a lot more than he does over Haruhi, and he hates all other men. It's useful to not forget that Kyon is the main character. That means something. |
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2009-08-04, 03:55 | Link #262 | ||||
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Sealkid. For your own betterment, avoid that site like the plague. Sankaku Complex (NSFW) is more newsworthy when it comes to Haruhi, and Artefact actively distorts Haruhi-related news. Quote:
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That's got me thinking... Someone really needs to translate the Lord's Prayer into SQL and change it around so it references Yuki. That would be hilarious. I'm uh—allergic to lightning... so I'll let someone else try it...
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2009-08-04, 23:36 | Link #265 |
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Nagato Yuki-chan no Shoushitsu
Topic change.
"The Disappearance of Yuki Nagato-chan" manga (Nagato Yuki-chan no Shoushitsu) came out last month, and a scanlation was recently made of it, which one can find fairly easily through the normal sources (in other words, don't ask on this forum unless you want to raise the ire of the Mod Squad). As the scanlation reveals, and as many had suspected, it is basically a spin-off of Disappearance's Yukiverse (we'll call it the Yukichanverse for ease of distinction). The only apparent difference (beside having a PSP playing Nagato who is slightly closer to Puyo's Haruhi-chan incarnation and would undoubtedly be voiced by Minorin doing her best Mamiko Noto impersonation) is that Kyon either never got a backdoor escape program, never found it, or decided not to use it, and doesn't appear too worried about it anyway. Whether or not he lost his memories of the Haruhiverse is unclear at this point, but he has made no mention of it, and the manga's inner monologue is Yuki's. The manga comes across (in one volume, admittedly) as a shoujo-comedic slice-of-life, with the token bishounen the protagonist dramatically pines after being Kyon. I'll wait while you all finish laughing. "Fine and dandy," you say, as you wipe the tears of humor from your eyes, "but why are you talking about it in the Spoilers and Spec thread?" you ask. Well I'm getting to that. During the first chapter, as is customary, we are introduced to nearly all of the players in our story, from the first-year Literary Club members Kyon, Yuki, and Ryoko, to the second-year Calligraphy Club members Tsuruya-san and Mikuru, pretty much as you remember them all (more or less) from Disappearance's Yukiverse. We even see Mori Sonou as the gym teacher in a shout-out to Yuki's eroge from Haruhi-chan. But it's not until the very end of the first chapter that we get our first glimpse of Kouyouen High students Haruhi (who we see only in profile as she walks by) and Itsuki (in shadowed silhouette). And Yuki recognizes Haruhi... ...Sorta. It's not a full-fledged "OMG this is a fake universe" realization, instead being a more subtle "That girl is familiar to me and I don't know" why, but it certainly cements the likelihood that, much like the true Yukiverse from Disappearance, the Yukichanverse is not perfectly made, and little bits and pieces of the Haruhiverse have crept over, much as how in the original novel, Ryoko ended up pretty much exactly the same (if she ever had her memories wiped in the first place). As Yuki herself stated in the novel, her ability to take over Haruhi's power was not complete, and had limits that allowed for, among other things, the events of "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" to have still happened. And so now we have (maybe) a "what if" story with definite ontological roots in the Haruhiverse and Yukiverse that depend on a spoiler-level knowledge of Disappearance, which means I can't exactly discuss it at all in the Spin Offs topic, or really have an open discussion even in the Ontology thread... So where do you all who have by now downloaded and read this think this manga might go? Is the plot hiccup at the end of the first chapter just an Easter egg for the novel fans, to be ignored for the rest of the series as the KyonxYuki fans get a bland romance to figuratively (I hope) fap to, or will this comedic slice-of-life elevate into a mindfucky "what am I and why am I here" investigation into the secret origins of the Yukichanverse, worthy of the vaguely Eva-esque CM that first introduced us to it? Did Kyon retain his memories? Did Ryoko? Or will they return due to her Humanoid Interface nature? How will this affect the story? Does this setting even have ties back to the "real" Haruhiverse? Discuss...
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2009-08-05, 00:35 | Link #266 | ||
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If Kyon retained his memories, surely he would have reacted to Haruhi and Koizumi as well. Because he did not, we can assume that in this universe, Kyon did not retain his memory, and no veto power was given to him. Quote:
Since Yuki mimiced Haruhi's power, a power which rewrites reality to your subconcious desires, what this story does is gives us a view on what the author of the manga percieves what Yuki truely wants. So far, I find it a rather entertaining story. (Although Tsuruya wasn't in the Calligraphy club in the book... but then again, neither was Ms Mori a gym teacher.) I look forward to the delicious YukixKyon d'aaaaaaaw moments, and the inevitable fanart that will come from this. |
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2009-08-05, 00:42 | Link #267 |
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It is possible that they are going to have a series for the Yuki shippers similar to how special clannad eps were made. But at only one chapter released there's not enough info to make predictions yet.
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2009-08-05, 02:50 | Link #268 |
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An interesting plot sequence that seems plausible to me (a shot into the dark), given the first chapter released is this:
The Kyon we see in the Yuki-chan version is Kyon if he had never met Haruhi. We'll see a few chapters of how life could have been for Kyon had it just been him and Nagato. Events are already speeding towards that fateful day in December when Nagato Yuki in the original timeline changes the world. In the Yukichanverse, suddenly the Kyon in this manga story will get his memory synchronized with the original Kyon that we know. Kyon then has to decide which Nagato he appreciates more: this Yuki-chan or the original. The events in the Yukichanverse then lead into the Disappearance events that occur in the novels, with the 3-day time limit for the Emergency Escape Program. Kyon gets the keys, gathers the SOS団, but ends up not choosing to activate the program. Yukichan wins. Kyon x Yuki fans rejoice. The only thing that sticks out is why Tsuruya went out of her way to harass Kyon about being with Mikuru. I can't imagine that Kyon's accidental approach of memory-modified Mikuru has occured, since within 48 hours of that event, Kyon found Haruhi and Koizumi. Maybe Arakawa plowed into Kyon with his vehicle just after he realized Haruhi had disappeared, resetting his memory back into the Yukichanverse. =P Maybe this Yukichanverse Kyon has already lamely attempted to approach Mikuru. This would make Tsuruya's powerful disabling blow in the Disappearance novel a lot more plausible since it'd not be his first time in approaching Mikuru. Also, I'd like to note that when I first read the Disappearance novel, I thought that the people Kyon saw appearing to rescue him were the SOS Brigade members that he had left behind in the Yukichanverse. It made so much sense that a John-Smith-activated Haruhi, Nagato, Koizumi, and Mikuru would find a way to somehow return to the original universe to come to Kyon's rescue after seeing him disappear in front of Yuki's computer after activating the Emergency Escape Program. I'm hoping this manga can give me closure on what happened to these modified SOS Brigade members.
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2009-08-05, 05:24 | Link #270 |
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Since Nagato Yuki-chan no Shoushitsu is a manga, shouldn't this be discussed in the Noevel & manga thread or should this get it's own thread, or maybe a manga only thread, since the manga has already covered disappearance from what I know, well at the very least the manga raws.
Anywayz, just reed Nagato Yuki-chan no Shoushitsu, all I can say is Tsuruya is AWESOME... I don't ever remember her being this hyper during the series, well there was live a live but she wasn't accusing Kyon of two timing lol. |
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One great thing about Puyo doing this manga is that you can tell he is in just as much love with Tsuruya-san as eveyone else is, which means you can expect nothing but awesome slathered in awesomesauce from her, until she surprises you by doing something even more awesome. LOL Fang-tan is God.
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2009-08-07, 04:09 | Link #274 |
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Yeah, but this is Disappearance we're talking about here. Even for those for whom it's not their favorite novel (mine's Volume 7 due to the Tsuruya-san content), everyone has to admit that (besides Melancholy and possibly some elements of Intrigues) it's the only one with any real semblance of a plot, and thus anything that can be really be spoiled. Jury's still out on Volume 9/10.
Let's review: 1. Melancholy - introduction mostly -- a bit of plot that has been mostly ignored since 2. Sigh - they make the movie -- no plot 3. Boredom - short stories -- outside of BLR, no plot 4. Disappearance - self-contained story that builds on previous story and casts a big shadow on later developments -- plot, big time 5. Rampage - short stories -- outside of SMS's effect on the unfinished Volumes 9 & 10, no plot 6. Wavering - more short stories -- outside of MoMA as a lead-in to Volume 7, no plot 7. Intrigues - future hoop-jumping with "Michiru", but Tsuruya-san finds the real prize -- some relevance to Volumes 9 & 10, and maybe beyond, but in and of itself, no real plot 8. Indignation - longish short stories -- no plot 9. Dissociation - part 1 of 2 - possible new SOS-dan member? -- looks to be the next Disappearance in terms of plot, but it's not finished yet...
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2009-08-07, 04:38 | Link #275 |
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You don't need to say spoiler to talke about Yuki-chan. It is only spoiler if someone knows that is spoiler. As far a casual reader know, Yuki-chan is a High School AU.
So we can talk about Yuki-chan on the manga/novel tread or, better, on the spin-off tread. |
2009-08-08, 03:46 | Link #276 |
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What's the point of talking about Yuki-chan out of context? Then it's just another boring shoujo-esque slice-of-life. This way it's a comedic sci-fi alternate universe mindfuck masquerading as a boring shoujo-esque slice-of-life. Much better. ^_^
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2009-08-08, 03:56 | Link #277 |
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If it becomes the comedic sci-fi alternate universe mindscrew you want by next issue, then it does. If it doesn't, then it won't be happening. Right now, it's a "boring" shoujo-esque slice-of-life story that happens to use alternate interpretations of characters from a series that heavily features science fiction, so we should be treating it as such.
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2009-08-08, 06:39 | Link #278 |
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I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I found an interesting thing (for me anyway). Both in the novel and anime version of endless eight, after Koizumi said he will say "I love you" to Haruhi to try solve the time loop, we weren't told / couldn't see what Kyon expression was. What was his expression? Was it shock, or jealousy? Was the the expression the reason Koizumi said he was joking? Or was he joking from the start? Anyway, what do you guys think?
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2009-08-08, 12:07 | Link #279 |
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We don't know. That's the point. Kyon specifically mentions he doesn't know what his expression was, so KyoAni went with not showing his face.
However, while Koizumi was most likely joking from the start, his laughing was a result of the response he got.
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2009-08-08, 20:33 | Link #280 |
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I'm pretty sure he knew what his expression was. He just went into denial mode again. The same could be said about his expression during the end the part-time job scene. He obviously found her expressions during it extremely cute, but denied it by saying (in the novel) that he was too pissed to really notice how he was reacting to her. The anime made it clear that he was enjoying the expressions, though.
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