2011-12-20, 23:23 | Link #3941 | ||
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I remember that Rin did a spittake in Ataraxia epilogue when Bazett introduced herself and dragged Shirou out to tell OMG WATCH YOUR MOUTH SHE'LL KILL US ALL!!1! Meanwhile, Bazett and Saber were being bros and insulting Sakura's tea-making skills inside.
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2011-12-21, 00:05 | Link #3943 | |
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Bazett's honorable nature balances it. Sure, she's ruthless as heck when she has an objective, but she's not a dirty player as Kiritsugu can be. Avenger is, so it balances her. Poor Lancer. He won the Master lottery (hot, Irish, young woman who adooooooores him and can team up with and her wish was about him) and then he was usurped his victory. Guess it can't be helped, being a Lancer and all. At least she's not overkill as her Prisma Illya version yet.
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2011-12-21, 00:18 | Link #3944 | ||
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Gae Bolg vs. Ea, what exactly happens there? Gae Bolg is pretty damn fast, can Ea fire off in time?
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2011-12-21, 00:35 | Link #3946 | ||
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Ea would win, but Bazett would have Fragarach'ed Gil, I think. Gilgamesh isn't really formally part of the 5th Grail War, anyway?
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2011-12-21, 00:40 | Link #3947 |
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Speaking as one with only secondhand knowledge, just how did Kotomine manage to kill Bazett anyway? I mean, even if she isn't "haxx" to Prisma Illya levels, she's still scary-tough. And where was Lancer while it was happening, anyway?
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2011-12-21, 00:48 | Link #3948 | ||
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As for her manga counterpart, it reminds me of the wolverine overpowering that's happened in recently history for the x-men comics. They just don't know when to stop making things too powerful. Quote:
So basically it goes like so: Lancer used Gae Bolg. Gilgamesh counters with Ea! Bazett counter-counters with Fragarach! Its super effective! Gilgamesh fainted. He's not technically in the war but he does exist in that time, and I'm sure Kotomine could have brought him in to fight off Bazett had he not cut off her arm and such. Back stabbed her and cut off her arm. Lancer didn't have time to react and once Kotomine had her arm... well, Lancer couldn't do anything.
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2011-12-21, 00:48 | Link #3949 | |
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2011-12-21, 00:49 | Link #3950 | |
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Lancer was out scouting? Wasn't this happened in the Church and he can't get in, IIRC? Basically, he backsbatted her, removing her arm. Remember if you torn the arm off with the command seals, the magus would feel as if their nervous system hardwires. In a real fight, Kirei would lose. He wasn't suicidal. First fight that they never met before? Bazett/Lancer for sure. The only way Saber/Rin team can win this if Saber gets Avalon (although Rin is still vulnerable if Saber gets Avalon, Bazett would completely overpower her in a battle). I imagine Rin would order Saber to not fight if Bazett introduces herself, though (she gets white as a ghost to even think in confronting her in Hollow Ataraxia epilogue when she shows up in Shirou's house, that was with Saber, Shirou and Sakura in the same house with her and a lone Bazett). Unlike Gae Bolg, luck seems useless against Fragarach.
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2011-12-21, 00:57 | Link #3952 | |
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Remember that Gil has a ridiculous stats in LCK, so it is extremely likely he will just be unaffected and won't really consider a threat, using GoB spam... which is probably what happened during Fate Route.
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2011-12-21, 00:58 | Link #3953 | ||
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Runic magic (what Lancer uses) seems enough to keep him dead in UBW, Bazett happens to be an expert in that too. She's also faster than Kirei when she fights. But she wasn't fighting him. Who would have seen it coming? He was like her only pal, her host and the mediator? Her guard was down. Quote:
Lancer's stats were affected by Kotomine (his stats are higher with Bazett) and a ridiculous command to fight people without defeating them. Lancer also has battle continuation and runic magic to raise the power of his attacks (and use magic). Gil can be cornered (he WAS going to use Ea against freakin' Shirou when he lost his patience). If a mongrel mortal earned that privilege, a fellow demigod could easily earn it. The moment he does that, the moment he's toast. Luck doesn't affect Fragarach (as we see in how easily it kills Saber in Ataraxia).
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2011-12-21, 01:01 | Link #3954 | |
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Or, we just give EMIYA to Bazett, then Gil really can't win. Fragarach would counter EMIYAs only lack of counter to Ea (the only other way would be to find a way to get Saber to be EMIYAs Master, but that would require Caster's Rule Breaker, and now we might as well involve the whole FS/N cast in making nonsensical hax.)
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2011-12-21, 01:13 | Link #3956 | |
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Also Gil's luck under Kotomine is A, not EX. He'll also provoke him (Lancer is a smartass). If Lancer defeated Saber, then Gilgamesh would probably take out Ea against him. The main problem for Lancer isn't GoB or Ea, but Enkidu (he's a demigod). However, Gilgamesh is also weak against magic and what does Lancer specializes? Yeah, magic. There's a lot of circumstantial factors. Gilgamesh would still win if he was serious, but he hardly ever is. I was joking mostly. But if we're talking about a fair confrontation between them, Bazett would still win. The whole "Angra Mainyu is dere for me" is just to rub in. Poor Kirei ;_;
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2011-12-21, 01:20 | Link #3957 |
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The thing is that Fate series portrayed that the difference between 1 rank is enormous: Saber could still fight and recovers slightly despite having B luck.
Therefore, Gil with A rank would receive substantially lowered damage, and I have no idea if his armor is on par with Saber or better. Also, Agility doesn't exactly mean anything against GoB: the thing is just ridiculous in term of wide range and number of attacks. Gil is nearly the "hard counter" for Lancer.
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2011-12-21, 01:22 | Link #3958 | |
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Who has E magic resistance? Yeah, Gilgamesh. He can spam Lancer with the GoB, but Lancer's godly in battle continuation and recovery. It's one of his abilities. The thing he'll be weak against is Enkidu.
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2011-12-21, 01:23 | Link #3959 | ||
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Again, it's not so much what his personal resistance is, as what he can bring out of the GoB to suit the situation. Something like a mirror that reflects all magic damage would make Magic Resistance kinda pointless, wouldn't it?
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2011-12-21, 01:27 | Link #3960 |
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That wouldn't work against a cursed wound, though. And this is assuming he takes the battle seriously first. If he had this mirror at his disposal, he would have used it against Shirou's Reality Marble (which is magic). Instead, he jumped and went for Ea when he was pissed off.
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