Haku's Potential

[Nikki_4everLover]

He apparently has the same potential as both Naruto and Sasuke.

If he had lived and progressed from the Zabuza Arc and passed the timeskip, where do you think he'd be in terms of ability and power?

[That Other Ninja]

The strongest guys after Naruto and Sasuke among the former Konoha genin are Neji, Lee and Shikamaru and maybe Shino just in terms of abillity. I'd say he'd be around them as well.

[yungz21]

he probably would have helped during the sasuke retrieval

[EphiamOricuna]

I would say that he would be pretty powerful, definitly up there with Neji and Lee.

[cheese4u]

Agreed, though evidently Neji is a good bit stronger than Haku. When Naruto transformed the first time, the fight between him and Haku wasn't even close. When he fought Neji his regular strenght was already considerably greater, not to mention when he used the Kyuubi's chakra during the fight he said that the chakra was even greater than the first time he transformed. And all things considered Neji actually defeated the transformation, but lost to Naruto's trickiness.

[Nikki_4everLover]

Just FYI like I said in my first post, the databook, if it is canon I do not know, has him listed with the same potential as Naruto and Sasuke.

Also at the age of 15, he performed a one-handed seal, had learned everything Zabuza, a Jounin, could teach him, was able to analyze and figure a counter for the Sharingan after seeing it once (and was said he could see anything once and devise a counter to it) and so-forth.

[EphiamOricuna]

Yeah, Haku was pretty awsome. Definitly a favorite. Too bad he had to die so early, though. Once Orochimaru goes I'll be all out of characters =(

[Suna no tate]

I think he'd be mediocre to slightly above average.

Look I like haku, he showed a lot of potential and gusto and smarts, but here's the issue. The really really great nins have these abilities that literally break the rules. The sharingan, naruto's insane chakra, etc. If they don't have an insane rule breaking ability, they have to be exceptionally smart to compensate (ie deidara or shikamaru).

A ninja is basically limited to be a certain level from the day he is born. Lee can train as hard as he wants, but he'll never be better than naruto. Naruto doesn't have to play by the rules. Lee does. Nins who are limited by rules end up being average. Nins who break rules end up being great.

Haku would probably end up being similar to yamato in rank and skill level if he got to live that long.

[Medalist]

He probably would have....oh wait he's dead.

[Nikki_4everLover]

Yes. But that's irrelevant to the thread. So...would you like to actually post or just keep spamming?

[Medalist]

Something of relevance:

If he had lived passed that he probably would have died.(in the end it will have to happen eventually :P)

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Something of relevance:

If he had lived passed that he probably would have died.(in the end it will have to happen eventually :P)

And why is that? Why would he have "probably" died?

[KyuubiRocks]

He'd totally kick ass..Being able to manipulate ice, Thats one really cool jutsu...
He would have been one of the elite ninjas..

[quater]

To be Honest I think he would be dead. I never really liked him but look he got beat by Sasuke And Naruto before they even got to their greatest potential and he was already a bit of a deal older.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by quater

To be Honest I think he would be dead. I never really liked him but look he got beat by Sasuke And Naruto before they even got to their greatest potential and he was already a bit of a deal older.

Uh he was beat by Naruto in a raging Kyuubi fit, Sasuke would've died vs Haku but Haku intentionally misses his vital points during their last encounter. If Naruto hadn't gone insane and Kyuubi took over, he would've died too. You make it sound as if they bested him fairly easily, which was not the case at all. He just got punched in the face severely but still got up afterwards and had enough energy to quickly put himself in harm's way getting himself killed. And were he still alive, he'd be improving himself just as well. That applies to others who have died like Kimimaro.

[Medalist]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

And why is that? Why would he have "probably" died?

Just because it depends on the scenario of how he lives past it. Speculation about this has little point.

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Kakashi wouldn't have let him live past that day anyway, no matter what circumstances, even if Zabuza had died....and Haku had no reason to be "a bad guy?".

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Haku apparently had no potential if he ended up getting killed Despite him having loyalty.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Just because it depends on the scenario of how he lives past it. Speculation about this has little point.

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Kakashi wouldn't have let him live past that day anyway, no matter what circumstances, even if Zabuza had died....and Haku had no reason to be "a bad guy?".

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Haku apparently had no potential if he ended up getting killed Despite him having loyalty.

You're missing the point of a hypothetical. Why you're even posting in this thread I don't know.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

Just because it depends on the scenario of how he lives past it. Speculation about this has little point.

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Kakashi wouldn't have let him live past that day anyway, no matter what circumstances, even if Zabuza had died....and Haku had no reason to be "a bad guy?".

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Haku apparently had no potential if he ended up getting killed Despite him having loyalty.

I have to agree. He would have died anyway, just in a different time/place. His only real reason for being was to serve Zabuza. Other than that, he was just another minor character, with no real importance, other than being an imposter hunter-nin.

I mean, if he could get beaten be a couple of genin, then there's no way he would be anywhere near the level of the others.

[That Other Ninja]

/sigh

"Couple of genin"... you say it in passing like some random ninja took him out. He killed himself before being truly defeated and again, could have easily killed Sasuke. By your statements one can easily say Sasuke was beaten by a lowly genin in the form of Rock Lee when they first fought who kicked his ass. But look at where Sasuke is now?

Disappointing perspectives, the both of you.

[ZGoten]

Originally Posted by cheese4u

Agreed, though evidently Neji is a good bit stronger than Haku. When Naruto transformed the first time, the fight between him and Haku wasn't even close. When he fought Neji his regular strenght was already considerably greater, not to mention when he used the Kyuubi's chakra during the fight he said that the chakra was even greater than the first time he transformed. And all things considered Neji actually defeated the transformation, but lost to Naruto's trickiness.

You´re forgetting that the fight with Neji was quite a few months after the one with Haku. At that time of the Zabuza arc, Neji propably would had lost to Naruto, too. The chuunin exam made the genins a good bit stronger...Haku couldn´t take part at the chuunin exam, just like he never had a "real" ninja apprenticeship unlike any other Konoha genins including Naruto an Neji.