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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 58 | 41.13% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 16.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 6.38% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.13% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.71% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-18, 16:52 | Link #241 |
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I don't see it as Kyuubey just hurting Sayaka, as Homura said Kyuubey has no sense of Human morality. From his point of view he is showing the advantage of being undead. The concept of Good and Evil just doesn't apply to him. Which brings up the question what exactly does Kyuubey gain form all this? He has access to unlimited wishes and considering his lack of concept of being human, why is does he go about making Magical girls to fight witches. What does he really want?
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2011-02-18, 16:55 | Link #242 |
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Let's summarize the fact about Sayaka's psychotic breakdown.
1. She learns her soul is outside her body, 2. She learns that Hitomi is confessing to Kamijo. Is it "realistic" for Sayaka to go psychotic? Sure, people in real life go psychotic all the time for petty stuff. Do I sympathize with Sayaka? Absolutely not. As I keep saying I don't understand what is so bad about the soul being outside of one's body and I certainly don't understand why Sayaka cannot develop a relationship with Kamijo. Using Kaijo's income example: You know there are people who complain they make $500,000 a year, because they used to make $1,000,000 a year. Instead of riding a BMW, they used to ride a Bentley....etc. Am I sympathize with them? Absolutely not. The bottom line, is that for a fiction to be good, being realistic is only the bare minimum. It needs to be convincing to be good. They fail to convince me here. And it seems they fail to convince not only be, but quite a number of people in this forum. Sidenote: if you want to watch some real good drama/ emotion conflict, go watch Mugen no Ryvius. You probably won't like any of the characters there, yet you sympathize with all of them and convince about their personal challenge and angst. That is what dark drama done right.
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It's a general one that I'd apply to any anime show, regardless of genre. Quote:
I mean, he might be revealed to be the nefarious big bad of this anime, but until we know that, he's acting like an ally to Sayaka, albeit a very harsh one. Quote:
Doctors and surgeons are paid to provide medical service. Kyubey is paying Sayaka (with a wish) to provide him with magical girl service. Quote:
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Tomoyo was simply taking pictures, and making costumes for Sakura, most of the time. How is that way more useful than what Madoka's been to Sayaka? And Kero simply gave Sakura instruction, just like what Kyubey did in this episode towards Sayaka. You're dramatically overstating the difference here.
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2011-02-18, 16:57 | Link #244 |
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Nanoha was not betrayed by Yuno or any of her friends, her body was not changed without her permission, and no "friend" ever stole the person she has a crush on. Not similar at all. The presence of trustworthy allies and lack of betrayal means that Nanoha has a very idealistic life despite enemies constantly showing up.
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2011-02-18, 16:59 | Link #245 | |
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Fighting that way, Sayaka doesn't hurt any-more.
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2011-02-18, 17:05 | Link #248 | |
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Suffice it to say that I found it very hard to take seriously. It honestly felt like Sayaka was trying to do a great Professor Tomoe impression. Incoherent screaming would have been much more effective in my books too.
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2011-02-18, 17:06 | Link #249 | |
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So that again beings up the question of what exactly Kyube is. |
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2011-02-18, 17:08 | Link #250 | |
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Because at the first sequence of fighting, Sayaka was totally fine. After being wounded everywhere and saved by Kyoko, it's like she suddenly realises that fighting like crazy is only way to escape from the reality she suffers and also from distorted herself how was thinking of letting Hitomi die. I think that's what that madness laugh represents.
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2011-02-18, 17:11 | Link #251 | |
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Of course we'll have to see next episode to confirm that
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To put it in a bullet point: let's assume, A and B. A earns 5000, B earns 8000. B isn't really satisfied, but A believe it is B's situation is "nice". Does this mean that B has to follow the same conclusion? Of course, the analogy is faulty because of the lack of circumstances. What I was trying to point is that you simply cannot conclude "someone shouldn't complain if someone else is fine with the same situation, or something worse". A given situation can only be gauged by that person alone, when it is about emotional response. Quote:
Kyoko can live with that, but is it really something she would have accepted readily if Kyuubey was honest from the get go? As far it is shown in Episode 6, she wasn't pleased by this prospect a single bit. So I will use the very same point you are always claiming: do you have proof that Kyoko is "fine living like that"? Can you attest that she isn't convincing herself that it is "fine"? Can you really prove that she wasn't pulling a facade? Jab aside, I personally don't think the answer of that is important. The main point is that I just can't see an actual objective and practical way to -compare- very personal situations between different individuals, even if the said situations are exactly the same. Quote:
Also, considering how Homura was behaving with Madoka, I don't think you can call that "accepted it". Feel free to disagree, but to me, Homura basically forsake herself and just proceed to her objective, it doesn't mean she can live with it. In fact, despite being the most cynical, she herself contemplates the statement that she isn't human... and that's from your level headed character. Quote:
In the end, she is torn by the conflict generated that her goal and means were upside down. She didn't save Kyousuke in order to be a MG, she turned into a MG to save Kyousuke for her own sake. She thought she was doing the former, but she is actually doing the latter, and it is striking her badly as she realize she isn't righteous as she thought to act. Quote:
And I don't think "accept it" is always the smarter choice, because it would mean that you would be "okay" that the said source of the issue was fine. Accepting the situation may be synonym of "moving on" at times, but it is also synonym of "turning a blind eye to it". To each of its own, it is rather case by case basis, instead of expecting such situation to be clear cut. Quote:
And if Hitomi knows how many times Sayaka was visiting Kyousuke at the hospital, it doesn't require rocket science that Sayaka is in love with him, but the time elapsed for this "non confession" period and the recent awkward behaviour she had probably spelled some action required for Hitomi. And the good cry of Sayaka doesn't mean she deep down accepted it and acknowlodged what she said to Madoka. Even if she realize the issue, her conflict definitely didn't get any answer at all, leading her to snap.
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2011-02-18, 17:15 | Link #253 | |
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Let's just say I'm completely flabbergasted how you can compare what happened to Sayaka to ANYTHING happening to Nanoha. We're talking a completely different league of tragedy here. Unless of course you insist on the "I ignore all signs of foreboding and pretend that all is fine" position. Like, that Sayaka will be alright next ep.
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Sayak finds out this episode that a so-called "friend" of hers is planning to steal the boy she had spent her single wish on and sacrificed her humanity for. How is this not tension? Quote:
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2011-02-18, 17:16 | Link #255 | |
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For the love of Homura, please no.
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2011-02-18, 17:26 | Link #260 |
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It's much less blatant. One of the main strengths of this show is that it works alot with innuendo and implication. I prefer that to the usual kind of anime storytelling which spells everything out for the simplest viewer to follow. Some people might have a different opinion here, though.
Besides, I see no reason why Sayaka would do "incoherent screaming". I do see however what could cause the reaction at the end. |
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