Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by Endscape

It's entirely possible she might not have able to go once she became Queen and had to deal with internal politics and so forth.

It's stupid to blame her for what Saazbaum did.

She was too unsophisticated to do that. She wasn't privy to the ways of the Martian court, even though she was a noble. She had no loyal followers within martian society. She had no substantial alliances of her own.

Lemrina understood Martian politics much better than Asseylum. Everyone understood them better than her.

She basically thought she'd be safe on Earth because no one would want to piss off granddaddy. She was so dumb that her own grandfather considered her expendable and saw her unfit to be first in line.

Her only value to the nobles was her ability to grant Aldnoah and her looks.

She was not the only one capable of granting Aldnoah, as her own grandfather had someone else in mind to succeed him.

The series ended with the air of uncertainty, as her much more intelligent sister was still around. There were other people in the royal family capable of doling out Aldnoah.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by mechalord

She was too unsophisticated to do that. She wasn't privy to the ways of the Martian court, even though she was a noble. She had no loyal followers within martian society. She had no substantial alliances of her own.

Lemrina understood Martian politics much better than Asseylum. Everyone understood them better than her.

She basically thought she'd be safe on Earth because no one would want to piss off granddaddy. She was so dumb that her own grandfather considered her expendable and saw her unfit to be first in line.

Her only value to the nobles was her ability to grant Aldnoah and her looks.

She was not the only one capable of granting Aldnoah, as her own grandfather had someone else in mind to succeed him.

The series ended with the air of uncertainty, as her much more intelligent sister was still around. There were other people in the royal family capable of doling out Aldnoah.

Well then Explain why Slain is in prison for life?

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

She ignited a cold war she was warned about starting, just to feel more important.

No, Saazbaum did that. In fact, much of what she had to do was to fix the mess that Saazbaum created.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by leelee85

Well then Explain why Slain is in prison for life?

Because a pretty, dumb, sexy woman led him to ruin. He didn't heed the warning of a much smarter, loyal woman who actually loved him.

Lemrina told him to let her dumb bitch sister die.

Lemrina wanted to marry him, wanted to have his children, was willing to follow him to the grave, and give him the galaxy on a silver platter.

He refused because he was infatuated by Asseylum. He even lied to Lemrina about Asseylum and scorned her.

Why did Slaine lose?

Because his penis betrayed him and her scorned Lemrina. Lemrina spared Asseylum to get back at Slaine. if Lemrina would have blown Asseylum's brains out, Slaine would have won.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by mechalord

Because a pretty, dumb, sexy woman led him to ruin. He didn't heed the warning of a much smarter, loyal woman who actually loved him.

Lemrina told him to let her dumb bitch sister die.

Lemrina wanted to marry him, wanted to have his children, was willing to follow him to the grave, and give him the galaxy on a silver platter.

He refused because he was infatuated by Asseylum. He even lied to Lemrina about Asseylum and scorned her.

Why did Slaine lose?

Because his penis betrayed him and her scorned Lemrina. Lemrina spared Asseylum to get back at Slaine. if Lemrina would have blown Asseylum's brains out, Slaine would have won.

Instead Slaine life just went from bad to worst and wish he was dead.

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

Instead Slaine life just went from bad to worst and wish he was dead.

Who's wishing that he was dead?

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

No, Saazbaum did that. In fact, much of what she had to do was to fix the mess that Saazbaum created.

She knew someone would try to kill her when she arrived on Earth, that was the whole point to the body double.

She was warned by her maid and her security that the Earth was full of Earthling and Martian terrorists who try to to cap her just to start a war. She was the thing the hardliners were waiting for.

On top of that she insisted on light security, no giant mecha.

The first episodes are all about her moping around, hiding her identity because of what she started. Then she's dumb enough to think they'd all stop if she went public with her survival.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by leelee85

Instead Slaine life just went from bad to worst and wish he was dead.

Asseylum is a cold hearted bitch.

She didn't even let Slaine have an hnorable death. She wants him to suffer knowing she cuckolded him.

His only hope is Lemrina.

Slaine is the true hero of the story. He suffers for everyones sins, particularly those of Asseylum, Saazbaum, etc.


If there is a sequel series, let's hope it starts with Asseylum getting killled for good. No Inaho, Slaine, or young white knight to save her.

Originally Posted by monster

Who's wishing that he was dead?

No one wants Slaine dead.

The writers loved to tease us with Asseylum's death. She was the personification of evil. How many times did she appear to die?

Her car got blow up. Body double died.

Rayet choked her to death. Inaho saved her.

Saazbaum plugged her full of lead. Slaine literally rebuilt her.

Lemrina was about to kill her but was too pissed off at Slaine.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

She knew someone would try to kill her when she arrived on Earth, that was the whole point to the body double.

She was warned by her maid and her security that the Earth was full of Earthling and Martian terrorists who try to to cap her just to start a war. She was the thing the hardliners were waiting for.

On top of that she insisted on light security, no giant mecha.

The first episodes are all about her moping around, hiding her identity because of what she started. Then she's dumb enough to think they'd all stop if she went public with her survival.

The security was for Earth, and yet it wasn't Earth, but a traitor who endangered her life. If it wasn't for Saazbaum, she might not even need any security at all. You can't blame her for a traitor's fault.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by monster

Who's wishing that he was dead?

He is, besides they world already knows that he is dead (but he isn't).

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

He is

Not by the end, though.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

The security was for Earth, and yet it wasn't Earth, but a traitor who endangered her life. If it wasn't for Saazbaum, she might not even need any security at all. You can't blame her for a traitor's fault.

She knew that space knights were dangerous.

The knights over Earth were already branded pseudo traitors who disobeyed orders.

Then we learn Saazbaum wasn't a traitor at all. Her own gramdfather wanted her dead.

Saazbaum did nothing wrong. The Martian Emperor put a hit on her in order to ignite the cold war. He got tired of his granddaughters BS and naivety about going to Earth, so he decided to have her killed to teach the others a lesson.

She didn't even know how evil her own family was. Somehow the way they treated crippled Lemrina went over her head. Asseylum was 100% grade A stupid.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

Saazbaum did nothing wrong. The Martian Emperor put a hit on her in order to ignite the cold war. He got tired of his granddaughters BS and naivety about going to Earth, so he decided to have her killed to teach the others a lesson.

We saw how Saazbaum lied to the Emperor about Asseylum, so it can't be her grandfather who put the hit on her. Moreover, Saazbaum was against the reigning royalty, which would include the reigning Emperor.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

We saw how Saazbaum lied to the Emperor about Asseylum, so it can't be her grandfather who put the hit on her. Moreover, Saazbaum was against the reigning royalty, which would include the reigning Emperor.

The invasion of Earth was the Emperor's idea but the moon exploded, halting the war.

He was dying and wanted the Earth situation resolved.

He pretty much confesses to wanting Asseylum dead from the start. He wanted Earth conquered but the nobles wouldn't go to war without a reason or a cause because they were cowards who didn't want to jeopardize their power. They would resist. A dead princess would give the hardlines a reason to go to war and the others would follow to save face.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

The invasion of Earth was the Emperor's idea but the moon exploded, halting the war.

He was dying and wanted the Earth situation resolved.

He pretty much confesses to wanting Asseylum dead from the start. He wanted Earth conquered but the nobles wouldn't go to war without a reason or a cause because they were cowards who didn't want to jeopardize their power. They would resist. A dead princess would give the hardlines a reason to go to war and the others would follow to save face.

Of course the Emperor agreed with the invasion on Earth. I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about Saazbaum's betrayal. If the Emperor wanted to restart the war anyway, he wouldn't need to kill Asseylum. He would've commanded all the nobles to attack and they would gladly do so and there would be nothing for Asseylum to do. Instead, he only did that after Saazbaum lied about Asseylum's death being Earth's fault.

The fault for restarting the war goes back to Saazbaum.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

Of course the Emperor agreed with the invasion on Earth. I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about Saazbaum's betrayal. If the Emperor wanted to restart the war anyway, he wouldn't need to kill Asseylum. He would've commanded all the nobles to attack and they would gladly do so and there would be nothing for Asseylum to do. Instead, he only did that after Saazbaum lied about Asseylum's death being Earth's fault.

The fault for restarting the war goes back to Saazbaum.

He lost control of a lot of the nobility. The Earth invasion was a debacle. The moon exploded, taking out a huge chunk of the fleet. Took over a decade to rebuild most of it. A portion of the original fleet disobeyed orders and didn't go back to Mars when recalled.

The counts and space knights all act like a bunch of frat boys. They duel all the time and talk crap about each other.

The point of killing Asseylum was the hope that the few hardliners could goad the pacifist space knights and counts into a war to avenge a princess. Whoever didn't join in would be labeled a coward and lose power. All the nobles who only cared about power would be forced to fight to keep it. The glory gained in combat would allow other knights and counts to climb over them in prestige and hierarchy.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

He lost control of a lot of the nobility. The Earth invasion was a debacle. The moon exploded, taking out a huge chunk of the fleet. Took over a decade to rebuild most of it. A portion of the original fleet disobeyed orders and didn't go back to Mars when recalled.

The counts and space knights all act like a bunch of frat boys. They duel all the time and talk crap about each other.

The point of killing Asseylum was the hope that the few hardliners could goad the pacifist space knights and counts into a war to avenge a princess. Whoever didn't join in would be labeled a coward and lose power.

All the nobles who only cared about power would be forced to fight to keep it. The glory gained in combat would allow other knights and counts to climb over them in prestige and hierarchy.

There was no pacifist space knight. They were all willing to invade Earth. That's why they are there in the first place. The issue is who has the power, and that is clearly still the royals.

So no, Asseylum's death was never necessary if the Emperor was the one who actively wanted a restart of the invasion. Her death was necessary only because it was Saazbaum who was manipulating the whole thing for his own revenge.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by monster

There was no pacifist space knight. They were all willing to invade Earth. That's why they are there in the first place. The issue is who has the power, and that is clearly still the royals.

So no, Asseylum's death was never necessary if the Emperor was the one who actively wanted a restart of the invasion. Her death was necessary only because it was Saazbaum who was manipulating the whole thing for his own revenge.

So then Why was Slaine Scapegoated instead of Saazbaum?

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

So then Why was Slaine Scapegoated instead of Saazbaum?

What use is it to blame a dead guy when Slaine was the one who continued it and even became the face of the Vers invasion. I don't think the Earth was ever even aware of who Saazbaum was, but they certainly saw the broadcast of Slaine being the leader.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by monster

What use is it to blame a dead guy when Slaine was the one who continued it and even became the face of the Vers invasion. I don't think the Earth was ever even aware of who Saazbaum was, but they certainly saw the broadcast of Slaine being the leader.

Using someone that is actually is dead.