2009-09-27, 14:13 | Link #3521 |
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Ryukishi just used a confusing narration device to put in parallel the two times Ange denied witch, by putting after the flashback with Ange in the classroom, another flashback with Maria after little Ange denied witch on Rokkenjima.
But if I remember well, this scene explains that Maria is complaining because of what Ange said during the family conference. But even so, it is pretty clear that one is the Big-sister-witch-Maria from Ange's imagination that she denied along with the stakes and Sakurato, and the other is the childish Maria complaining because her friend said her plush was just a plush. |
2009-09-27, 15:19 | Link #3522 |
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Concerning the Closed room circle (First twilight) of EP3:
May I ask confirmation about the status of the door leading into the courtyard from the boiler room? (I believe in EP1, such a door was mentioned.) I'd like to check something with this.
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Anyway when Ange said that she hurt Maria, she referred to that event.
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2009-09-27, 18:32 | Link #3527 |
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There's only one person that can call Maria "onee-chan" ^^;;;
And you can tell from the broken way of speaking and the fact she said "I learned from mama" that this is a very young Ange.
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2009-09-27, 19:36 | Link #3529 |
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I'm going to make a chronological order of the relationship Between Ange and magic, so maybe it will be clear:
- A very little Ange is introduced to the secret circle of the mariage Sorciere by Maria. It isn't clear how many are the members, however you can assume that there are at least two: Maria and "Beatrice". It isn't clear how many years Ange have been part of this circle, but this is where Ange learned about magic for the first time. It isn't clear if Ange met "Beatrice" at all at this time. She was very very little so it's possible she just forgot, or that she met "Beatrice" as her true self. - Ange talked about magic and mariage sorciere to her mother. Kyrie, being the logical and rational type, told her little child that magic and the like do not exist. When Ange told Kyrie about Sakutaro, she was also taught that Sakutaro is just a plush. Ange, as it is common at that age, at the next family meeting used that imparted knowledge from her mother to belittle Maria's fictional world. At that time Ange was expelled from mariage sorciere. - A long time passed with Ange never thinking about magic anymore. However her life of isolation from any human contact made her get closer to the fictional world she once refused. When she was a middle schooler Ange developed the ability to make Maria "revive" by reading her diary. This imaginary Maria kept telling Ange to remember what she taught her a long time ago. Finally Ange decides to take magic seriously once more and so Ange becomes able to summon the stakes. - Not much later Ange receives an unbearable humiliation from her classmates. Angered Ange realizes that her "friends" can do nothing to help her. So Ange can't accept that friendship anymore, once again she denies magic. While doing so, Ange remembers that time when she denied magic as a little child during a family meeting. - 1998. After Eva's death Ange decides to find the truth about the Rokkenjima incident. For the sake of this goal Ange tries to summon the stakes again. Ange is more mature now and rather than using magic to escape from her sad life, she tries to understand what magic really is. In the end Ange manages to understand everything about magic, and that allow her to summon the stakes, Maria and Sakutaro. However she doesn't acknowledge magic to exist in her world. Ange reached a point where she can use magic without acknowledging its existence.
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2009-09-30, 17:27 | Link #3538 |
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Wait... I can't agree with this interpretation. The reason Beatrice said that she killed people a hundred of times, is because she does that between a game and another or during the game itseld. Just think about the tea party of ep2, we know that Beatrice "squeezed" Krauss a hundred of times.
I don't think Beatrice created more games than we have seen else, why she mentions the exact number? first game, second game, third game, fourth game... there aren't other games we are not aware of.
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