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I'm already expecting the MS to pop up next chapter, so why not Mokuton as well? Best to get it all out of the way sooner rather than dragging down the flashback unnecessarily. |
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2013-03-06, 14:30 | Link #25 |
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I would have to reread the earlier chapters but I think this friendship is/was being developed better than the naruto sasuke relationship. Which Imo always seemed forced. I can only recall development being made during battles and. Such. But not the easy going, slice of life they are showing us with hirashima and madara.
Great chapter and great last page makes you want to see more. This story can probably be its own spinoff.
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To stop the battle, both must get stabbed by their respective comrades or bid their time (the battle meant nothing, but they won't let their sacrifices be in vain, and thus, they become future leaders or something).
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2013-03-06, 18:25 | Link #29 |
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omg.... so what's going to happen will be their father are killing each other and Tobirama kills Izuna..
years after, that will lead to that Kyuubi Vs 1000-hands Buddha summon flashback after they settle Konoha, Madara still hold grudge because Tobirama kills his beloved little brother then fight with Senjuu in the valley no wonder why Madara pays a high respect toward Senju (he showed this during battle with Kages)... And Konoha got a really beautiful history because of Hashirama and Madara's friendship... because only Sasuke will know this story, don't tell me he's tempted to be a Hokage Last edited by ~Yami~; 2013-03-06 at 23:49. Reason: thanks Hunter-sama |
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Itachi is a liar, simple as that, 99.9% of what he said when alive was flat out bullshit meant to lead Sasuke where he wanted. He wanted Sasuke to be Madara's (ie Obito) ennemy so he painted him in the worst possible light but now both Obito and Hashirama has confirmed that it was false and that Madara cared deeply for his brother. Quote:
Anyway that's not possible (at least not until many years), Izuna lived long enough to gain the MS along with Madara and then for Madara to lose his sight and take his eyes |
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2013-03-06, 19:04 | Link #31 |
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Yet... The Mangekyou Sharingan we've seen on-screen actually were achieved by killing their closest friends (I'm fairly sure the manga stated that Itachi assisted in Shisui's suicide) (although those acts themselves weren't shown onscreen).
I'm not saying it is the only way. But there aren't many things that are such a powerful contradiction. I mean, if you're truly willing to kill someone to obtain more power, you can't really call them your closest friend. On the other hand, if circumstance forces you to kill them, that's a different matter. ... Well, maybe Shisui's eyes were awakened differently, I'm not sure. Anyway, the assumption that killing your best friend = Mangekyou isn't exactly wrong. It can't be just any old loss though. Guilt probabably is a factor, but not any old guilt. |
2013-03-06, 20:37 | Link #32 |
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You have to feel extreme guilt and pain to awaken MS. Killing your best friend is a good way to do that, simple as that. Sasuke didn't kill his best friend, he killed itachi who he hated, but after finding out the truth about itachi the pain he felt for killing him awakened his MS. Tobirama already stated the sharingan gets more powerful through emotion.
Idk exactly how shisui got his MS, but I do know he did something he really regretted to awaken it. Also, there are plenty of ppl in this world who would kill their closest loved ones if they were offered a billion dollars for it, don't underestimate lust for power, it's what makes the world go round. |
2013-03-06, 20:58 | Link #33 |
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^exactly. people need to stop believing the 'closest friend' line. it never really made much sense anyway. now that we have tobirama's explanation of the chakra in uchiha's minds, it all makes sense. no matter how people want to look at things, itachi was never sasuke's closest friend. sasuke's MS wasn't even awakened after killing him. all the sharingan evolutions are about a flood of emotion up until and including MS. EMS is where it gets dicey and adds a genetic implantation component to the evolution
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2013-03-06, 21:22 | Link #34 |
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Amazing chapter, in my opinion of course.
As an amateur philosopher (I'm taking it as a minor in school), I can relate to the idealism that both Mardara and Hashirma exhibits in their childhood/ early teens. They are living in the worst conditions possible, where they see their fellow friends and even family member die on a daily basis, and instead of letting the darkness of their environment taint them, they reject their world and think about how to make it better. I mean these are kids...this is incredible for them to have this much maturity and intelligence...I personally find it extremely intriguing. Now as far as the way their friendship is portrayed...I mentioned this on the last chapter blog, but this is how real friendships are formed...and this is NOT a parallel with the Naruto and Sasuke friendship..it's just not the same dynamic. Not to say that one dynamic is superior to the other, but this dynamic is a breath of fresh air. These are two peers with the same level of power, intelligence, and aspirations....there is a mutual respect of each other, and they even looked out for each other during the ambush. Seeing all of that, I couldn't help but hope that the story would end well, and these two kids would be friends for a very long time and achieve their goals. But this the problem with flashbacks, no matter how you like a particular situation, you always know what the outcome will be. You might not know the specific twist, but you know the ending...which sucks in this case. What will drive the wedge between these two peers? Family, clan, jealousy, an accident or misunderstanding?? I'm sure Izuna isn't dying here, that's not coming up until way later in the story line. All in all, very good chapter, and can't wait for next week. These flashbacks are amazing and I don't think I would get tired of them any time soon, the insight that this give are priceless in my opinion. |
2013-03-06, 23:28 | Link #36 |
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Wonder if we will see any female uchiha kunoichi in this flashback where there are many uchiha. It would be a way of Kishi creating a powerful female character for a change, auto-win eyes.
Maybe being male is also a pre-req for sharingan. Given that emotions create the eye power an hoe b*tches be crazy, you would think there would e a noteable female uchiha... Or maybe I just want to see some susanoo tits
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^^^^^I think the Madara/Hashirama flashback is hands down some of Kishi's best work through this whole series.
Not only is the backstory pivotal to the main story, it's being told extremely well, the characters are being developed very well. It has the early naruto feel of ninjas using their minds to trick opponents compared to how they overwhelm them with power now. I have loved this flashback from the start, so maybe my opinion is biased. But i think you can compare this part of the naruto story to any other great part, and it'll do more then hold it's own imo. |
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One thing that i can think of is Itachi using reverse psychology on Sasuke, he tells him to do somthing so that Sasuke would never do that. I think that would make sense. |
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