(L) Elfen Lied

[Faeyice]

I prefer animations over comics. =3=;

as for the vector virus diclonious and ALL diclonious for that matter, are VERY intelligent. and it shows. Nyu fixed that old clock that was broken just by tinkering with it. How many of you could tear apart a clock that you've never seen before (or for that matter, don't even know what the hell it is) and fix it to working order.

I agree on that. o3o The diclonius race appears to be very intelligent. <3

[Fate lover]

Originally Posted by Reno

Ehe yeah and, as I already said, how they can stand to see someone get murdered at such a young age. Woo it fits!

Yup, I totally agree with you.

Originally Posted by Faeyice

I prefer animations over comics. =3=;


I agree on that. o3o The diclonius race appears to be very intelligent. <3

But in the comics, there are a lot of things shown clear that we don't understand or not shown to us in the animation.

[Sodagod]

Originally Posted by Reno

Ehe yeah and, as I already said, how they can stand to see someone get murdered at such a young age. Woo it fits!

Well, for one, they killed only ones they hated (it doesn't matter whether its a certain person or humans in general). And they didn't grow up as normal kids do, they were lab rats that nobody taught the value of life, that killing is bad etc. (you get the idea). So They just probably acted on their own instincts/emotions. And on their intelligence, of course. They didn't consider killing someone to be such a big deal.
Just some random thoughts from me.

Originally Posted by Fate lover

But in the comics, there are a lot of things shown clear that we don't understand or not shown to us in the animation.

Anime is moving. And always in color, unlike manga.

[Nenkitsune]

yeah, but the trade off is that a lot of times, you loose portions of the story.

[Faeyice]

Originally Posted by Fate lover

But in the comics, there are a lot of things shown clear that we don't understand or not shown to us in the animation.

Yes I know, but that doesn't change my personal preferences. <3

Anime is moving. And always in color, unlike manga.

And that's why I love it. :3

Well, for one, they killed only ones they hated (it doesn't matter whether its a certain person or humans in general). And they didn't grow up as normal kids do, they were lab rats that nobody taught the value of life, that killing is bad etc. (you get the idea). So They just probably acted on their own instincts/emotions. And on their intelligence, of course. They didn't consider killing someone to be such a big deal.
Just some random thoughts from me.

I agree with you there.

[oompa loompa]

Originally Posted by Sodagod

Well, for one, they killed only ones they hated (it doesn't matter whether its a certain person or humans in general). And they didn't grow up as normal kids do, they were lab rats that nobody taught the value of life, that killing is bad etc. (you get the idea). So They just probably acted on their own instincts/emotions. And on their intelligence, of course. They didn't consider killing someone to be such a big deal.
Just some random thoughts from me.

i always thought it was more of a natural enmity thing towards humans.. if not theyd kill anything and everything right?.. and although its not specified, in the elfen lied ova the first diclonius kurama sees, the kid in the apartment.. wasnt a lab rat - she had grown up normally, but her genes kicked in and thats why she did what she did - dont quote me on that, thats just my speculation - the obvious contradictions to this are nana, and lucy when it comes to kouta. its slightly confusing

[Nenkitsune]

no, you're right. Their instincts tell them that in order for their kind to survive and prosper, they must first get rid of the current humans. HOWEVER, i belive that under certian circumstances, they can live a quite normal life, that is, if they have someone that they truly hold dear to them, and if they don't allow themselves to be overwelmed by their inner demons.

[Yorae_paladin1]

Originally Posted by Nenkitsune

no, you're right. Their instincts tell them that in order for their kind to survive and prosper, they must first get rid of the current humans. HOWEVER, i belive that under certian circumstances, they can live a quite normal life, that is, if they have someone that they truly hold dear to them, and if they don't allow themselves to be overwelmed by their inner demons.

Wel i do not think its something genetic since that is unnatural and impossible scientifically an evolution does not kill what its meant to improve(nor do they have some voice telling them to do that) especially for the fact silpelits need normal humans to live. Without them they die. Infact silpelits as a whole seem to be a major flaw in that human evolution. In short unless Lucy decides to mate diclonius humans will not last a generation and sadly she will not do that nor does her "voice" suggest it. in short diclonius human were doomed to extinction if Lucy was to carry them.

My theory is sociopathy caused by emotional instability due to the mutations they have the enlarged pieneal gland might be the cause of it all.

[Nenkitsune]

but INSTINCTS can be genetic. and if their instincts say humans are bad, kill them, and that instinct is strong enough, they will follow through with it. you see?
another instinct is procreation. her "voice" which is the instinct to eradicate humans, doesn't actually voice out procreation for the time being though. (except when she was Nyu she was like a freaking bunny!)
the large pineal gland did cause some problems though, but i think that's mostly due to a combination of head trauma as well (if a diclonius horn is broken off, it damages the brain and causes the state that lucy/nyu was in. I believe head trauma causes the same issue due to the large gland, but does not cause their sociopathy)

Darwin's theory on instincts fits perfect in this case.
In the case of natural selection, behavor that favors survival are what help a species thrive.
in this case, the instinct to kill humans, is what allows diclonius to live, because if not for that, they would never prosper and grow.

so the instinct to kill is a behavioral trait that diclonius have to help their race's survival.

[Yorae_paladin1]

Originally Posted by Nenkitsune

but INSTINCTS can be genetic. and if their instincts say humans are bad, kill them, and that instinct is strong enough, they will follow through with it. you see?
another instinct is procreation. her "voice" which is the instinct to eradicate humans, doesn't actually voice out procreation for the time being though. (except when she was Nyu she was like a freaking bunny!)
the large pineal gland did cause some problems though, but i think that's mostly due to a combination of head trauma as well (if a diclonius horn is broken off, it damages the brain and causes the state that lucy/nyu was in. I believe head trauma causes the same issue due to the large gland, but does not cause their sociopathy)

Darwin's theory on instincts fits perfect in this case.
In the case of natural selection, behavor that favors survival are what help a species thrive.
in this case, the instinct to kill humans, is what allows diclonius to live, because if not for that, they would never prosper and grow.

so the instinct to kill is a behavioral trait that diclonius have to help their race's survival.

Things is no human evolution has ever done that. Which is why it seems to unnatural only this human evolution has this which is why i find it hard to believe this is genetic hell I outright don't believe it. And I doubt killing others will help them thrive cause silpelits will not thrive if normal humans die off infact they will die.

Which is why diclonius cannot be considred evolution in real life terms they are more like a disease like aberrative mutation what ever evolves from humans that kills diclonius is the true evolution

[PastPrime]

Lucy did not show any desire to kill until after the bullies pushed her too far by killing her puppy. That was when she started to believe that she was so different that she had to kill to survive. Since all the vector virus diclonius originated from Lucy, she may have transmitted that belief to them. And we don't really know if the vector virus diclonius start killing for no reason. Kurama said that they had even killed their parents, not that they all kill their parents. The one we saw kill the little boy might not have done so if he had been friendly to her and let her pet his dog. And we don't know how the one who killed the policeman had been treated. Perhaps her parents considered her horns to be a sign of the devil and treated her accordingly. And the one who infected Kurama was in that Hell of a research facility, as was Mariko. And at three years old they were really to young to understand the results of their actions. Who would give a loaded gun to a three year old and expect them to know how to use it properly. I am sure that everyone has read about children getting a gun that their idiot parents left in reach and accidently killing a friend or sibling, or in some cases themselves. From what was said it appeared that the ones born in the past did not kill. And, with the proper care and training, most of the ones in the research facility could probably been taught not to kill. Instead they were subjected to inhuman experiments.
If Lucy had grown up in a real home with the support of a parent and with real friends there would have never been any killing or vector virus diclonius.

[biohrd]

Does any one could explain me what had happened in manga (I watched anime only)? Lucy dies?

[way2slow]

I JUST noticed a thread here as I watched a good many episodes in two days.
Now that I found the manga, the ending from the anime is different from the manga as there is a continuation in the manga.

[biohrd]

But can you tell me what had happened in manga with Lucy?

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by biohrd

But can you tell me what had happened in manga with Lucy?

Spoiler for manga:

She dies. She sacrafices her body to protect Kouta, then, obviously in great pain with little time left to live, she handed him a gun with her vectors and begged him to end her suffering. Chapter 106 ends with Kouta crying that he killed Nyu. But, before she died she reminded Kouta of their childhood promise to meet again at her dog's grave when he returned. After that every year during the festival he would go to her dog's grave and wait for her. The tenth year a pair of apparently diclonius twins, possibly Lucy's nieces since one of them was named after her real name, who remembered being Lucy and Nyu came to keep her side of the promise. The manga also cleared up most of the loose ends. Kakuzawa and almost everyone else at the research facility is killed. Nana is the only surviving vector virus diclonius and she continues to be free. There is a vaccine so there will be no more vector virus diclonius. And Kouta has a daughter named Nyu who he took with him to Lucy's dogs grave on the tenth year. But she already knew about it because the twins had made friends with her, taken her to see it and told her about it.

[biohrd]

Spoiler for Wiki:

I have read on Wiki:

In the manga, Kouta never entirely forgives Lucy, as he hates her for killing his father and sister. He does ultimately forgive her ten years after he kills her, upon reading the bottled message she had written for him.

What she written in this letter?

[bongky]

I agree with you 100%. Until now I am still so troubled as what could possibly been written in that bottle for Kouta to forgive Lucy whole-heartedly. The suspense is damn great.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by biohrd

Spoiler for Wiki:

I have read on Wiki:

In the manga, Kouta never entirely forgives Lucy, as he hates her for killing his father and sister. He does ultimately forgive her ten years after he kills her, upon reading the bottled message she had written for him.

What she written in this letter?

Spoiler for manga:

I think that he had already forgiven her. After all, she sacraficed her life to save him.
His daughter, Nyu, showed him the jar mostly burried in Lucy's dog's grave. When he opened it a stone that he thought was jade that he had given to child Lucy and a note fell out. The note, as best as I can remember from the summary, said; "If you are reading this note then you kept your promise to return. I always treasured this stone. It would make a pretty setting for our wedding rings." And the note was signed "Kaede". After reading the note Kouta broke down crying. That is when the twins, satisfied that they had been forgiven, came forward to meet him.

[Fate lover]

Originally Posted by biohrd

But can you tell me what had happened in manga with Lucy?

Spoiler for manga:

She was recaptured later and sent back to the research facility. There she kills a lot of people including the mad director general and I think severely wounded his daughter. The rest is just like what Past Prime has stated.

I love Elfen Lied manga more than the anime...hehe.

[biohrd]

Spoiler for Diclonous Twins...:

And Kouta has a daughter named Nyu who he took with him to Lucy's dogs grave on the tenth year.

There are 2 diclonous. Are they children Kouta and "Kaede"?