Ecchi: The most hated genre of all time?

[Joyce_Steele]

Maybe I'm the only English-speaking woman who defends Yosuga no Sora which actually had good plot(minus the omake part) and good characters. Poor YnS got no love among English-speaking anime communities for having on-screen sex scenes especially ones with incest.

Yeah I also noticed most people underestimated Queen's Blade popularity in Japan but that will not going to change the argument.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Joyce_Steele

Maybe I'm the only English-speaking woman who defends Yosuga no Sora which actually had good plot(minus the omake part) and good characters. Poor YnS got no love among English-speaking anime communities for having on-screen sex scenes especially ones with incest.

The plot in Yosuga no Sora is pretty average though for an eroge. When i played it a few years ago, i would have dropped if it weren't for Sora.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Joyce_Steele

Maybe I'm the only English-speaking woman who defends Yosuga no Sora which actually had good plot(minus the omake part) and good characters. Poor YnS got no love among English-speaking anime communities for having on-screen sex scenes especially ones with incest.

Just so you know, I don't personally consider Yosuga no Sora Ecchi. So please don't take my comments on ecchi as a reflection of my take on Yosuga no Sora. I do not consider Yosuga no Sora's plot paper-thin. Some of its arcs have pretty good plots and interesting characterization, imo.

[0utf0xZer0]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Just so you know, I don't personally consider Yosuga no Sora Ecchi. So please don't take my comments on ecchi as a reflection of my take on Yosuga no Sora. I do not consider Yosuga no Sora's plot paper-thin. Some of its arcs have pretty good plots and interesting characterization, imo.

Is it the plot that makes you think it's something other than ecchi, or is it the fact it's not low brow in general?

To me, the ecchi label carries an extremely heavy "low brow" connotation that's not typically included in the formal definition. And that connotation has a lot to do with why it's considered "the lowest genre" by many.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Is it the plot that makes you think it's something other than ecchi, or is it the fact it's not low brow in general?

That's a good question. Maybe the lack of low brow in general has more to do with my assessment there than anything else. Yosuga no Sora just doesn't have that ecchi vibe to me. Yosuga no Sora has a fair bit of sexual content, but much of it (probably even most of it) is actual, consensual sex scenes. And one thing I liked is how the female half of the sex scene is often the aggressor in them.

[speedyexpress48]

I guess "ecchi" is one of those things that people love and hate at the same time; I know a lot of people who like ecchi (including me), but at the same time, we all know these shows are total crap...and we pretty much watch them for fanservice only and not plot. Also, hentai is more straight in your face while ecchi is just...teasing. (And heck, I do want at least one ecchi fanservice show a season, but I certainly don't want a bunch of them in one season.)

The cosplay thing tho...that's just rude, to be honest. Who cares what series it's from as long as it looks good?

[hyl]

For me YnS goes beyond what most ecchi fanservice animes do and i don't think you can lump them together.

[speedyexpress48]

Originally Posted by hyl

For me YnS goes beyond what most ecchi fanservice animes do and i don't think you can lump them together.

I want to see more shows like YnS; outright sex without going to the H-level, while still bringing a good plot to make things worthwhile.

Originally Posted by Joyce_Steele

Maybe I'm the only English-speaking woman who defends Yosuga no Sora which actually had good plot(minus the omake part) and good characters. Poor YnS got no love among English-speaking anime communities for having on-screen sex scenes especially ones with incest.

Yeah I also noticed most people underestimated Queen's Blade popularity in Japan but that will not going to change the argument.

Oh, there's several English-speaking women I know that are huge YnS fans...

[Akito Kinomoto]

And this is why I enjoyed Mashiro Iro Symphony and to a lesser extent both seasons of the first Da Capo series. The former had ecchi but the overall mood of the series wasn't as bombastic as most of its kin. The latter eased up on the gratuity when both shows started becoming serious.

[Archon_Wing]

Yosuga no Sora has moe and a very attractive guy. It's not too surprising the appeal is a bit wider than your typical ecchi series. I'm not too keen on all the sex scenes though; it was more comedy than anything else.

[Pocari_Sweat]

IIRC mashiro had sex scenes too tho it was off screen.

Talking the show not the character from sakurasou.

[hyl]

Meh, I am a little confused now. Are we talking about shows that simply have some ecchi fanservice or shows that primarily focus on them?

Mashifoni was IMO more a romance with some drama and some minor amount of ecchi fanservice, while Yosuga no Sora was probably more a drama with romance and pretty much H-scenes.
Both shows don't focus on those elements, unlike to love Ru or queens blade

[Ichuki]

To be honest for ecchi series I would be fine with it if they went beyond the ecchi fanservice.

[Soliloquy]

As much as I'm not really the demographic for Ecchi anime, I do have to say, the people are rather quick to dismiss it right from the beginning. Remember the B Gata H Kei first impression at ANN and in the end, it got a very good review. And whatever people say something bad about the series I like, I don't even bother correcting the person. Some anime with ecchi content are usually very satirical, I don't even know why the people needs to take it so serious. And the saddest thing is quite old anime like Love Hina and Tenjou Tenge get free pass because they are already established as the golden anime status or whatever.

People seems to be kind of biased when it comes to assessing anime they don't like, in turn I can't take their words seriously at all. At worse case, they make me roll my eyes.

[0utf0xZer0]

B Gata is one of those cases where I think the overwhelming nature of the term's low brow connotation is unfortunate. Certainly, B Gata is low brow, but it's also smartly satirical, and it kind of blows my mind that there are people who didn't pick that up right at the start. Inukami is another example of an ecchi show that's indeed low brow but smarter than the term usually gets credit for.

[speedyexpress48]

Originally Posted by Soliloquy

People seems to be kind of biased when it comes to assessing anime they don't like, in turn I can't take their words seriously at all. At worse case, they make me roll my eyes.

But that's human nature. We like to judge things by their cover...

[Akito Kinomoto]

Originally Posted by hyl

Meh, I am a little confused now. Are we talking about shows that simply have some ecchi fanservice or shows that primarily focus on them?

Both at the same time. Da Capo started as the latter and then became the former which was my reason for bringing it up.

A manga example would be Yubisaki Milk Tea. Can a series where the story is about sexuality and openly depicts it still be considered ecchi?

[hyl]

Da capo 3 had alot more fanservice than usual , probably because it was originally an all ages game (not counting the X-rated version that is released next week)

[Akito Kinomoto]

I'm talking about the first two seasons of the original Da Capo, not II or III.

[Soliloquy]

Originally Posted by speedyexpress48

But that's human nature. We like to judge things by their cover...

And I'm certainly guilty of that. What makes me tick is that they have to complain outright about it without giving it much chance. This is the reason I despise mob mentality where one person dislikes ecchi content in certain anime, and a few other people joins in the hate without not knowing the reason behind it. Personally, I'd prefer in most case to not say anything.

There are a few anime with ecchi content I can think of that were actually very damn good but for some reason received an average reception had to stop only at one cour when there were enough material for one more.