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2008-10-01, 02:32 | Link #1984 | |
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Suzaku is superhuman, Kallen is not. That he didn't fall unconscious is hardly proof that he's holding back when his own words state quite clearly that he wasn't. It was a mutual loss. Kallen managed to get the finishing blow in, and his comment acknowledges it as her accomplishment, not something he let her do.
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2008-10-01, 04:10 | Link #1986 | |
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LA on the other hand was completely annihialted since its in a million pieces. Also Suzaku said as much that even with his live geass he was not able to defeat her and the Guren since it ended in a draw, which was not what he was aiming for. |
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2008-10-01, 06:10 | Link #1987 | |
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2008-10-01, 06:29 | Link #1989 |
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And besides, if it was a case that "Live Geass" was uncontrollable, it would prove that Suzaku's life was in danger and, through the "Live Geass" having an automatic turn on switch, prove that he was not/unable to hold back.
But since he's been controlling his Geass, this doesn't stand up. Just thought it was funny how contradictory it was to say that his Geass is uncontrollable and at the same time say he was holding back. The two can't happen at once! |
2008-10-01, 07:03 | Link #1990 | |
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and he said himself that he still cant win when using it the "live on" thing isnt a superpower that he can regulate it pushes him to his limits to insure that he doesnt die and as far as holding back and "letting her win" well just look at the last move of the fight (before the final blow) kallen uses her signiture weapon (the right arm) in direct opposition to suzaku's signiture weapon (the spinzaku kick) if this was a shonen anime this would be the part where both fighters smash their swords together for the final time the outcome : the leg shatters to pieces while the arm remains it doesnt get more symbolic then that
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2008-10-01, 09:41 | Link #1992 | ||
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im not saying he was holding back, but he was fighting differently and he had enough time to counter and avoid the cockpit hit but he chosed to hacksaw the guren. he could of use one of the hacksaw to cut it and then use the other one to cut out one of the other arms! but to the Zero R. plan he had a great opportunity to disable it and fake his death. Quote:
she didnt land the hit without him allowing it! you think Live Geass will not warned him about such a blasted hit that was seen coming a mile away and that it could kill him. even a grunt could see the blasted hit coming. instead of countering such a deadly move and being an ace pilot he just haxed/disable the Guren instead and knowing that there was no escape pod?? i wonder about that until the Zero P was revealed. Kallen passed out afterwards, if he decided counter the hit, she would of lost since her body could not take it no more and was passing out.
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the guren shut down after the blow had been delt (otherwise it wouldnt have landed) both units shut down at the same time and he said he couldnt end it even with his live geass Quote:
he couldnt move (since the leg was out) and she hit him with the right arm (which he harkened off) but she used the left arm at the same time and the other hit conected he may have faked his death but he was trying to win right up till the end (the spinzaku kick) he just couldnt p.s it wasnt a cockpit hit (he wouldnt have survived one she crashed the chestplate which coused it to short out and explode (just like the lancelot frontier that C.C was piloting)
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oh yes he did have a choice, it was planned out to fake his death, also he could of use it to hax that arm to the cockpit attack or just counter it t since it was cleary thrown first and it took alot of time to penetrate. he could of counter it before any of his other parts could of been affected but he didnt and took the opportunity to disable the guren and later fake his death. him saying that she did was all in part to make her and Gino believe that he was dead. Suzaku wasnt even trying to kill Kallen unlike Kallen was trying to kill him. Quote:
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he probably ejected (why would a state of the art model not have an ejection block when the frontier had one) and if you watch the scene where he tells her she hit him you clearly see and hear the albion shuting down (the cockpit lights in red) and he didnt self destract (it was destroyed just like the frontir was) Quote:
he did what he could to keep her from killing him by blowing up the arm and trying to disable the guren he did the same thing she did by using the final attack to finish the fight her attack just happend to have more effect since it hit a spot that is more vital (thats why it exploded) Quote:
he couldnt and i dont think that spin kick was ment as a friendly gesture (since it has made unshielded units explode in the past) Quote:
he didnt trigger it himself it exploded the same way that the frontir did (and for the same reasons)
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point blank it was shown Kallen losing first then Suzaku even though Suzaku got his hit last and he even wasnt even trying to kill her unlike she was. live geass doesnt give Suzaku any physical powers or enhances his mecha, the main purpose is to keep him alive by avoiding danger. a blow to the cockpit like that, live geass will certainly pick it up, him struggling was more of him fighting geass and to continue keeping it under rapps since his mecha was still functioning when he got hit and fighting a more supposedly superior mecha in close combat. Quote:
he accomplished his goals, he stopped Kallen, disable the Guren, stop Kallen from reaching Lelouch, and Zero R. continue and was completed. Kallen didnt accomplished anything. it was a draw that Kallen got the short end of the stick, she said in the beginning that she planned on stopping Suzaku and Lelouch and that meant Zero R. as well and she didnt. Quote:
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After watching the episode and fight scene again; i think it clearly indicates that they were equally matched. It would have been nice to see the whole fight, but we can get his just from their comments. Both Kallen and Suzuka clearly state how great the other is for whatever reason. Trying to say that he was going easy on her is silly to me. His words directly contradict this. That in conjunction with the use of the "live" geass, which doesn't allow him to hold back, clearly shows that he was trying to win.
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Now that I rewatched the fight, I can see it was more of a draw then anything else... If not for the Tristan the Guren woulda been smashed to smithereens as its float system was destroyed and Karen was passed out. But DAMN what a fight, if only they had machines of similar specs =(. I so wanted Suzaku to have a clear victory and not this on the sort of losing side but a tie finish.
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2008-10-01, 18:28 | Link #1999 | |
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i really dont put too much emphasis on the complimenting each other part but if we do then when they complimented each other, the complimented was being directed to the Guren, not on Kallen or her skills because Kallen mentioned the Guren specs were superior to the Albion and wonder what power was driving Suzaku, certainly not live geass since Suzaku mentioned that he couldn't land a finishing blow at that specific time and he said it before Kallen complimented him. So obvious it was Suzaku's piloting skills.
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not kallen ? the pilot who uses the machine that no other pilot (other then probably suzaku) could pilot, and uses it to its full potential do you really think that suzaku was complimenting the machine he was fighting kallen in a battle that started with energy wings and beam weapons and ended up as a grounded fist fight becouse she was matching his every move and he was using his geass from minute one a few days before that he killed bismark the most expirianced pilot in the world (possibly the best pilot) who could also see the future and who suzaku beat with bearly a scrach becouse he was using his geass curse the guren might be the strongest knightmare ever built but by the time he made that comment both machines have basiclly been reduced to the old versions (the original lancelot and the guren niishki) since everything else was basiclly sattered. both were complimenting each other and pointing out their own (non effective) adventages werent enough becouse the other pilot was just too good
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