Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk Game Discussion

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

I still haven't figured out how to get the third ending.
Though if we look at Ratatosk no Kishi as a Visual Novel there's a Good End, Bad End, and a True End....eh.....
I've been playing too many eroges.

Well, if that's the case, it makes me sad that the True End is not very happy...

I would rather have True End, Bad End 1, and Bad End 2. The True End being the third ending, and everyone is happy.

[serenade_beta]

@above

In that case, just deny it. That's what I would do. Just ignore the fact that it is said to be the true end, and believe the end you like is the true end, all is happy-none is harmed.
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On other note...

There is clearly some amusing going on here... The good guys have a lot of rather boring ougis, but all of the main bad guys have cool ones.
-Brute's "Yami YO!!! Ankoku YO!!!" was a bonus (in coolness), along with the animation.
-Decus... NOW that's!! A great ougi, seriously. And at the same time, creepy and hilarious.
I mean, he takes out a picture of Alice (oh, stalker) in combat, looks at it with some creepy look, half of it gets burned, he gets really angry, slashes four times with his sword and L-O-V-E is spelled out, and damages the surroundings with energy. Oh, and he screams "ALICE-CHAAAAANN!!" near the end...
-Alice's was pretty nice too. Frozen land and all.


As for Alice, finally got to her first appearance. She's so sadistic, even sitting on her subordinates (kuuh! Lucky guy...). Kawaii~~
*cough*
The only problem is that her voice is a bit unfortunate... And her fate too.
It was awesome when, in battle, she used that heel grinding move and went "Does it feel good?"
The following script on sadism was great too. Marta really has what it takes to be a yandere.

[Asamidori]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

As for Alice, finally got to her first appearance. She's so sadistic, even sitting on her subordinates (kuuh! Lucky guy...).

's why she's being called サドの人/佐渡の人 until Tenebu-chan finally corrected Emil after a while. =3

[iwubanime]

I'm glad most of you are enjoying this game, but from what I've found out about the game, the limitations just have totally killed this game for me. I knew that it was going to be a spinoff, but I didn't know they'd change things so much.

I wanted to play this game for the old cast, the new cast looks alright, but frankly that's not why I was so excited when it was announced.

For those of you that don't have the game, here's some issues you might want to think about before you get the game:

-Sheena can't summon
-Old cast only levels up through the story and they can't equip anything
-On-screen (not battle) character limited to Emil or Marta
-Old cast can't be in the first slot, thus you need to have one of your party members be Emil or Marta. You also can't start a battle as an old character. You have to start as Emil or Marta and then switch to one of the old characters.
-Old cast can't participate in the single colliseum battle
-Old cast has set titles, so even if costumes existed, you can't switch between them

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

@above

In that case, just deny it. That's what I would do. Just ignore the fact that it is said to be the true end, and believe the end you like is the true end, all is happy-none is harmed.

I would like to, but it still bothers me...

Anyway, may I ask a question?

Spoiler for normal ending:

In the normal ending (psh.. Bad Ending #1), Emil, or rather, Ratatosk, says something about 1000 years, but that's all I could understand. What did he say about 1000 years?

[NoLongerSane]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

I would like to, but it still bothers me...

Anyway, may I ask a question?

Spoiler for normal ending:

In the normal ending (psh.. Bad Ending #1), Emil, or rather, Ratatosk, says something about 1000 years, but that's all I could understand. What did he say about 1000 years?

I think

Spoiler for Game Ending:

Emil is suppose to stay in that chamber to power the young mana tree.

Also, speaking of the old character, does anyone know when the Tethe'alla arc is going to be released in the anime. I really want to see which parts of the story line from the Tethe'alla arc the story writers are going to use?

[Kaioshin Sama]

If there's one thing I can say by just looking at the cutscenes, the character models appear more expressive and animated then ever before. Even Tales of The Abyss suffered from some rather static looking character models in cutscenes that made it hard to tell anything from body language. Dialogue was your only option.

[solarknight123]

So what from i've been reading so far, is it safe to assume that the multiple endings in the game

Spoiler for endings:

ranges from bad to good but no satisfying?

also how many are there in total again?

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by tiachopvutru

I would like to, but it still bothers me...

Anyway, may I ask a question?

Spoiler for normal ending:

In the normal ending (psh.. Bad Ending #1), Emil, or rather, Ratatosk, says something about 1000 years, but that's all I could understand. What did he say about 1000 years?

Spoiler for answer + spoilers on Richter:

They plan to do separate everything from mana, so the world would no longer need mana to survive. It will take 1000 years to do so, and kind, kind Emil wants Richter to last that long (Richter's the one to the what they need to do).

Techincally, this would be impossible since humans can't live that long... but...

Richter is a half-elf. Also, I haven't seen the scene myself, but from spoiler comments, it seems he is Magnius's son. You know, the axe Desian boss from Symphonia? Which also explains why Richter likes (or tends) to use words like "pig"...

Originally Posted by solarknight123

So what from i've been reading so far, is it safe to assume that the multiple endings in the game

Spoiler for endings:

ranges from bad to good but no satisfying?

also how many are there in total again?

Well, satisfying is simply an opinion. But, yeah, I guess it isn't satisfying. In fact, the good end seems (I haven't played the game myself after all. Just videos and spoiler comments) to a sudden plot device for a happy end...

As for the end, three versions.

Spoiler for End of "NOOOOOOO!!":

Marta + Lloyd vs. Emil

After Emil wins, Marta collapses.
Shocked by this, Emil stops acting (he was pretending to be Ratatosk) and runs up to her. Then he stabs himself with his sword and dies. Marta wakes up and realizes what happens...

As an epilogue, we have a diary entry written by Marta... Depressing thing...

END <--yes, the other ends said FIN, but this one says END...

Spoiler for End of "Oii!! Give me a damn epilouge":

Sterling already mentioned this.

Emil loses to the two, reveals he was acting, fights his other self.
He and Richter stay in the sealed chamber, *points to top of post explaining the 1000 years thing*.
ED plays.

FIN

Spoiler for End of "Thank god...":

This "end" continues after the epilogue-lacking end.
After the scene where Emil talks to Richter about 1000 years, the Centurions reveal (Oh! Look! A plot device to keep Emil alive!) that they can seperate Emil from the core he has. They do so, and the ED plays.

Epilogue, and Emil returns to where Marta is...

FIN

That's all, it seems.

Originally Posted by Asamidori

's why she's being called サドの人/佐渡の人 until Tenebu-chan finally corrected Emil after a while. =3

Yeah, a great thing to say to the actual person.
It seems Decus has gotten a nickname by some people.... "Desk", swapping the last two syllables.

Originally Posted by iwubanime

I'm glad most of you are enjoying this game, but from what I've found out about the game, the limitations just have totally killed this game for me. I knew that it was going to be a spinoff, but I didn't know they'd change things so much.

I wanted to play this game for the old cast, the new cast looks alright, but frankly that's not why I was so excited when it was announced.

For those of you that don't have the game, here's some issues you might want to think about before you get the game:

-Sheena can't summon
-Old cast only levels up through the story and they can't equip anything
-On-screen (not battle) character limited to Emil or Marta
-Old cast can't be in the first slot, thus you need to have one of your party members be Emil or Marta. You also can't start a battle as an old character. You have to start as Emil or Marta and then switch to one of the old characters.
-Old cast can't participate in the single colliseum battle
-Old cast has set titles, so even if costumes existed, you can't switch between them

Actually, not many of us here are enjoying the game that much. Actually, most of us aren't even playing the game...

Personally, I like the new cast better. I can't honestly say I really loved any Symphonia characters, but I can for a few Ratatosk characters like Marta, Alice, and Emil. And Decus is gaining points, with his idiotic ougi and infinite stomping.

[Varion]

Just finished it. Got the epilogue ending on my first try because I'm awesome like that.

Pro:
- Really likeable cast of characters. Emil, while weak, is still genuinely likeable, and his 'Ratatosk Mode' is awesome. Marta is adorable, sweet and all things nice, and Tenebrae is unexpectedly hilarious. When you lose count of how many times you laugh out loud, it's always a good sign. The old cast are as likeable as they ever were.
- Good story. It was a little rough in parts but the overall plotline was interesting and with enough twists to keep me playing.
- Wiimote controls were surprisingly nowhere near as bad as I expected and worked pretty well.
- Fast, fun battle system. Aerial combat is in particular loads of fun - by the time you get the Sky High 3 skill Emil's regular aerial combo is 7 or 8 hits, which can be chained into most of your artes.
- Excellent voice acting. I can't imagine having played the game without it, and some parts just wouldn't have had the impact - humourous, serious or otherwise - that they did without the voice acting. Basically everything except talking to villagers is voiced, too.
- Widescreen progressive. Playing this after replaying Symphonia on a good HDTV makes you appreciate the lack of black borders and the messy interlacing the Gamecube version had via SCART.
- Some nice looking new areas.
- Cutscenes were well done. The motion capturing really shows what it can do in these, and fights look a lot smoother and are more exciting as a result.
- Solid length. Most gamers will get at least 35 hours out of it, more if you spend much time levelling or making pacts with monsters.
- Difficulty seemed somewhat higher than the original. While the only time I got a game over was when I ran straight into Alice and Decus's strongest attack got annihilated in 5 seconds there were no game overs, but some battles will take a bit of time and quite a few healing items to come through unscathed.

Con:
- All the characters from Symphonia joining at fixed, unraisable levels takes some of the fun out of playing them, especially when you have 10x exp and are massively raising everyone else. Their joining level is enough for them to survive and be useful though.
- Unison Attacks are massively less useful and fun. You basically only have one attack that other characters will occasionally join in with. Once you get any of your Hi-Ougis they might as well have renamed it the Hi-Ougi bar.
- No costume titles, which were always one of my favourite post-game features.
- Lack of overall graphical polish. The menu portrait images, for example, seem like something a rookie could have done in RPGMaker, and the models are quite rough around the edges too, and some areas just seem to lack colour and heart. Palmacosta and Triet looked pretty nice though.
- Most of the music was a little weak. The soundtrack is composed mainly of remixes of tracks from the original, but most of them have been remixed to be so soft they're basically ambient and lose most of their character. The new tracks vary from great to disappointing too.
- Most of the monsters lacked character and weren't particularly the kind you'd actually want in your party. There needed to be more like the somewhat cool looking ice wolves and less generic slimes.
- Mostly recycled areas, most of which had barely changed. The temples, in particular, have basically the same layout as ever and only mildly changed puzzles.

In conclusion, this isn't Symphonia. Anyone who plays it expecting it to be equal to Symphonia, or even better, is going to be disappointed. Those who go in expecting a fun new game with some new features coupled with a burst of nostaglia for players of the original, however, will enjoy it thoroughly as I did.

[NoLongerSane]

After reading the pro and cons, I am still going to buy this game. Even though some aspects of this game did not live up to some of my expectations, I really enjoyed the Symphonia series. Hopefully for the American release they could tweek up certain parts of this game.

[Niu]

Regarding the ending

Spoiler:

The 1000 years thing is when after the world got separated from mana, the mana can instead be used to keep the door to Neibelhelm closed. Originally Ratatosk was the elemental spirit that was in charged of the duty to govern the the door and literally spent his entrie life there. In the normal end, Richter and ratatosk stayed behind at the door, they can only be freed after a 1000 year. But in good end, Richter makes an offer to transfer Ratatosk's core on to himself so he'll be Ratatosk's new host, and Emil can return to Marta as a human.

[Cipheric]

Hell yeah, it would be badass!

[HayashiTakara]

Great news its been confirmed that in the NA release, you can upload your ToS file to unlock stuff in the game!

[NoLongerSane]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Great news its been confirmed that in the NA release, you can upload your ToS file to unlock stuff in the game!

The question know is what is unlocked and how much of the game completion can unlock what? I have beaten the game about six times but I have not completed the items or the monster list. Reason for the monster is that I do not have the heart to kill off a certain character.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by NoLongerSane

The question know is what is unlocked and how much of the game completion can unlock what? I have beaten the game about six times but I have not completed the items or the monster list. Reason for the monster is that I do not have the heart to kill off a certain character.

It'll probably have to be a clear data. As it makes the most sense.

[HayashiTakara]

I'm disappointed... wheres the enthusiasm? the game is coming out this Tuesday!!!

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I'm disappointed... wheres the enthusiasm? the game is coming out this Tuesday!!!

Even if you say that... It's not like we're going to do a count-down or anything...
That, and I'm not going to buy it. Come to think of it, I haven't finished watching the play videos yet...

I might just buy the novels instead. Saves money, and the artwork=win, compared to the game's constant 3-D.

AKA, Collete's hand motions in Ratatosk=Incredibly funny. I know they slacked on creating the game, but this is...

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Even if you say that... It's not like we're going to do a count-down or anything...
That, and I'm not going to buy it. Come to think of it, I haven't finished watching the play videos yet...

I might just buy the novels instead. Saves money, and the artwork=win, compared to the game's constant 3-D.

AKA, Collete's hand motions in Ratatosk=Incredibly funny. I know they slacked on creating the game, but this is...

I'm a diehard Tales of Symphonia fan, but I have to say that the Novel sucks monkey balls. The story is butchered and completely reinterpretated. And whats with Rodyle looking "Pretty" ?

Collete is a freak of nature anyway.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I'm disappointed... wheres the enthusiasm? the game is coming out this Tuesday!!!

I've already played it, beaten it, and hated its ending. For me, it's old news.
Also what novels?