Lucky Star - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Claies]

Originally Posted by bayoab

They already did during the festival. Kagami's "getto daze".

*facepalm*

Yes...they did.

Someday, we'll start a list of all the shows this series has mentioned. It should be pretty long.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by AVPlaya

Rissa-chan... it's probably its because you're more Asian than American. I may exaggerate at jailbait part, but none of your average her age gaijin-sans will even think about dating her. Okay maybe a 6 grader. I mean, she looked tiny and young by Japanese standard. Her body hasn't changed since she was 11 or 12. The thing is girls like that are usually, eh, Chiyo-like and cute as a button. Guys here date more for hotness than cuteness in the first place, and Kona-chan is not at all cute. She's a karate-black belt (maybe) who enjoy eroge and cosplay-rape doujin. I'm pretty sure you're nothing like that.

hmmm, I think you're engaging in some overly sweeping generalizations there.

"none of your average" .... "guys here date more for hotness" .... yeah, there's a segment of the population that thinks like that... but plenty of people here don't care for those guys either :P There are plenty of other population segments that behave in other ways.

You're also talking to someone who *lives* in America so that's kind of odd telling her what it is like where she lives America is a bit too diverse and prone to toss tradition to assume very much about attitudes and behaviors (not that it doesn't stop people from believing stereotypes).

A number of people may also dispute the assessment of Kona not being "cute" for those reasons. "cute" allows for a lot of latitude

[Dark Wing]

Typing while I watch this episode.

Kona-chan poking fun at Kagami's obsession with her weight is always good for a laugh. lol

Okay the Yu-gi-oh! reference kind of caught me off guard. Totally didn't see that coming...Hmmm...I wonder what Kona-chan's deck would be like?

I can't help but to laugh at Miyuki being more Japanese then shrine maiden.

Once again I can't even begin to imagine how Yui became a cop....-_-;

lol the whole Valentines Day sequence was gold. Kona-chan talking about giving chocolate to her "bride" in an online game which turns out to be a guy playing with a female character. Is it me or did it seem like Kagami was starting to freak out at the idea of Kona-chan giving chocolate to someone.

Kona-chan telling Tsukasa not to give boys friendship chocolate because they'd get the wrong idea was good. Also notice that later on when Tsukasa said she gave chocolates to everyone she cared for two guys were blushing in the background and he says that was my first time...

Oh so Kagami gave her chocolate to Kona-chan. the Yuri-ism is strong in this episode. I mean the look on Konata's face was priceless and loved her line after that.

"Kagami looking like she's good at everything when she actually sucks so she secretly works hard turns me on."

I know it doesn't sound very romantic but love is there...I guess.

rofl the scene where Kona wants to go over seas because it means she'd chocolate from people both genders was great and what was she about to say about cut little girls in foreign countries before Kagami stoped her? I mean I half a pretty good idea but just want to know if anyone else got it.

the conversation at the restaurant about Kona's cousin I can't help but have a feel of dread that Akira-sama will be showing up soon.

Kagami trying to picture what kind of career Kona would be good at notice all of them are her sitting in front of a computer becuase they'll all have the same result. lol

lmao oh god the shounen shop keeper are back in full swing. Kona beware they've got...Geass!?

now at lucky channel and...OMG O.O Akira-sama with dill hair pieces!...I don't know if I should be heart warmed you disturbed. Yay-ness Konata gets her own figure poor Akira comes up short again.

Wow the ending did suck...I guess they ran out of Karaoke jokes or something.

[Risaa]

I wish I could +rep you, Vexx... You make so many darn good posts, IMO. (Actually the problem lies in that I don't +rep people nearly enough. *hides*) ...For the record, I think Kona is cute physically and personality-wise... she just happens to engage in non-cute activities.

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

Okay the Yu-gi-oh! reference kind of caught me off guard. Totally didn't see that coming...Hmmm...I wonder what Kona-chan's deck would be like?

It would be the most awesome deck ever with all the incredibly rare holographic cards. Yes, it'd be so shiny that she'd blind the opponent before they'd ever have a chance to move. :O

Besides, I could see Kona blowing all sorts of money on the *best* collectors cards, buying at least three of each; one for playing with, one for occasionally looking at, and one tucked away never to see the light of day (for fear of fading ne).

Edit: I can't wait for Ponytail Day to be over so I can change my ava back. It keeps freaking me out - when I post, I think someone slipped in a second before my post and I look desperately around for my starey-face Kona ava.

[Claies]

Originally Posted by Risaa

It would be the most awesome deck ever with all the incredibly rare holographic cards. Yes, it'd be so shiny that she'd blind the opponent before they'd ever have a chance to move. :O

Besides, I could see Kona blowing all sorts of money on the *best* collectors cards, buying at least three of each; one for playing with, one for occasionally looking at, and one tucked away never to see the light of day (for fear of fading ne).

Meaning she won't even play with them. YuGiOh fans shall cry.
*Face remains unchanged*

I doubt she engages in trading cards...they're a bit too low in the otaku ladder for her. I guess we'll never know.

[nanafan]

i didn't catch some of the references in this episode but i did catch the uguu. i still think konata's imagination is hilarious.

[arias]

Originally Posted by Vexx

hmmm, I think you're engaging in some overly sweeping generalizations there.

"none of your average" .... "guys here date more for hotness" .... yeah, there's a segment of the population that thinks like that... but plenty of people here don't care for those guys either :P There are plenty of other population segments that behave in other ways.

Well, the stereotypes exist for a reason. No one should be saying "all American men are xxx" (except if it's a tautological 'xxx') but language and description demands some level of generalization. It's also naive to think that stereotypes have no effect on behavior - of course it does. The stereotypical characters in American media be it TV, movies, songs, books and so forth form psychological models and make implicit shapings of American culture to its image. Teens lean towards doing what teens on TV do, or what other teens do, because that seems like the prototypical behavior for them. I have ample evidence of psychological mechanisms in the current literature to back up my general claims but to be honest, I'm too lazy.

As a person from Asia and living in North America now, I agree that sweeping stereotypes is probably a mistake. But there is a difference in character of the general population, and the sort of attitude that the previous poster was pointing to is not at all wrong in my opinion.


But I seriously disagree with him/her that Kona is not cute I soo want a daughter like her, it's not funny.

[AVPlaya]

Originally Posted by Vexx

hmmm, I think you're engaging in some overly sweeping generalizations there.

Yeah I was... don't mind me, I didn't sleep last night working on a project so don't take it too seriously.

Originally Posted by arias

But I seriously disagree with him/her that Kona is not cute I soo want a daughter like her, it's not funny.

Hahaha, yeah I kinda do too... but I'm not otaku enough to be her dad. I think cuteness has various definition here and I was refering the kind of cuteness where you want to date the girl, the typical "kawai" when talking about a Japanese girl. Many guys in Asia would date a girl purely on cuteness.... Kona's is not really that kind of cute. But cute as a child (okay a weird child), hell yeah.

I always thought Kona to be a super daughter. I really think she became an otaku, consciously or sub-consciously, to be just like her daddy or to be her dad's best buddy. I mean, this creepy dude was there checking out his daughter's teenage friends in miko outfits, and she's there cheering him on. You can't ask for a better child.

[a hobbit]

I absolutely agree that someone can completely enjoy this show without getting all the references. I'm sure I only catch a few of them but each episode still makes me lol irl at one point or another.

As for the actual episode, I really liked the valentines part, and tsundere kagami was sooooooo cute, and i was actually afraid it was real at first =P

[AVPlaya]

Kona's Miko-Okashi Rap:

「巫女・おせち・巫女・お雑煮・巫女・
おかし・おかし・おかし・おかし・巫女・おかし」

Miko * Osechi * Miko * Ozouni * Miko
Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Miko * Okashi


Translation:

"Miko * New Year's Food * Miko * A Mochi Soup Dish * Miko
Candy * Candy * Candy * Candy * Miko * Candy"

What a lovely little rap from an otaku-child to her tsundere love-interest.

Although Okashi can be just meant as snack foods, to me okashi means mostly sweets.

[Vexx]

Mmmmmm, Ozouni ..... we have that every New Year's (along with a serving of the obligatory black-eyed peas in deference to our Texas heritage - hint, add jalapeno pepper bits, tabasco, a bit of garlic, and salt to the peas).

Loved her little song-chant though... hell, loved most of the episode.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I've added the summary to my blog, and yes unfortunately that is the real rating for the episode for me in the poll box. Did not like this episode at all. In fact I rather loathed it as I lay out in my blog post.

Despite this, I still hope for the best in the next episode which should introduce Konata's cousin and hopefully breath new life into the series. As such I'll continue to stick with this series through thick and thin.

[Mirrinus]

Originally Posted by AVPlaya

Rissa-chan... it's probably its because you're more Asian than American. I may exaggerate at jailbait part, but none of your average her age gaijin-sans will even think about dating her. Okay maybe a 6 grader. I mean, she looked tiny and young by Japanese standard. Her body hasn't changed since she was 11 or 12. The thing is girls like that are usually, eh, Chiyo-like and cute as a button. Guys here date more for hotness than cuteness in the first place, and Kona-chan is not at all cute. She's a karate-black belt (maybe) who enjoy eroge and cosplay-rape doujin. I'm pretty sure you're nothing like that.

It might be because I'm more Asian than American...but what exactly is wrong with that again? ^_^

[Karnot]

Kotatsu is not that great.. your hands and feet are warm but your BACK IS FRIGGING COLD!

Speaking of that, dont you people ever wonder, how in anime characters sleep with only a smaaaaaal blanket on their stomach ? Shouldnt they catch cold, like, every week ?
As i understand, in reality most of japanese people use "normal" beds and normal-sized blankets.

[Zero Ska]

I love all of the Keroro References. 'Specially towards the end.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by AVPlaya

Kona's Miko-Okashi Rap:..."Miko * Osechi * Miko * Ozouni * Miko Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Miko * Okashi"....

I wonder if this was another ad lib? Or is it in the manga?

[Vexx]

I believe it is anime-only ... but let me check my notes..... I should note that I'm not automatically disliking "anime-only" material .... but I'd prefer it to focus on Lucky*Star and not other random products or non-L*S. In other words, if I wanted to watch a different series, I would

[AVPlaya]

Originally Posted by Karnot

Speaking of that, dont you people ever wonder, how in anime characters sleep with only a smaaaaaal blanket on their stomach ? Shouldnt they catch cold, like, every week ?
As i understand, in reality most of japanese people use "normal" beds and normal-sized blankets.

it depends on the room. Most westernized houses has normal beds.

In a Japanese style house or room, there's are no beds, but the floor is made from a straw mat called tatami. if it's summer and you sleep on a tatami, then a small blanket maybe enough. In the winter they would put these huge cotton "blankets" on top of the tatami and put another identical one on top of you. It's SUPER warm and comfy... you'd never want to get out from under such blanket... it' heavy and cozy. Sigh, I can never find one in the US...

Questions:
What's with the extreme closeness when the characters board the bus, zooming in on Kagami shuffling into her seat?

Actually I've just re-watched the entire Haruhi run with my wife this weekend (Lucky Star introduced her to Haruhi, imagine that) and I realized that these camera technique was everywhere in Haruhi. I think it's just a parody of the Haruhi's cinematography. Upon second viewing I can say that Haruhi's got a storyboard which rivals hollywood movies. It's a good self-parody from KyoAni, and maybe some in-jokes involving specific director which a more advanced otaku would know about.

[Vexx]

A lot of japanese don't use the "western style bedrooms" because they waste so much space. Living quarters tend to run quite small.... really small.

Like AVPlaya says, a properly made futon-bed on a tatami mat is really a great thing. And when you put them away, there's all this extra usable space.

There was a period in the 90s where Japanese went nutso over "things Western" to the point of a lot of japanese furniture and antiques became cheap to acquire here in the States. But there's been a trend in the last few years to return to the traditional stuff because.... it really just works better.

[AVPlaya]

Originally Posted by Vexx

A lot of japanese don't use the "western style bedrooms" because they waste so much space. Living quarters tend to run quite small.... really small.

Like AVPlaya says, a properly made futon-bed on a tatami mat is really a great thing. And when you put them away, there's all this extra usable space.

There was a period in the 90s where Japanese went nutso over "things Western" to the point of a lot of japanese furniture and antiques became cheap to acquire here in the States. But there's been a trend in the last few years to return to the traditional stuff because.... it really just works better.

Vexx-sama, I just realized that the word futon is now part of the English language and I was thinking about ways to describe it. baga no ore..

I love how functional Japanese rooms are; they can be turned into any function in minutes. It's love it how everyday western bed rooms like Kona's have western beds but still have the traditional Japanese low table, and everyone still sits on the floor. If I'm loaded enough in the future I will turn one of my rooms into a Japanese room. However, I don't think it's easy to find the supplies or the labor.