The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[Yui Is My Wife]

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

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Also there is Bruces's massage throughout the film. "Anyone can wear the mask." It doesn't matter so much who is Batman, just as long as the right person is willing to be Batman.

Well it's more like the second part than the first quote. Since that's not what Bruce said to the guys in hockey pads in the second movie . Besides it doesn't really line up to say it doesn't matter who Batman is and then say it has to be the right person. In that sense it does matter who Batman is. Not to mention without the financial resources good luck refueling the car or bike .

[Ithekro]

Well I think Alfred still has the house (and therefore the Batcave under it) and something tells me Wayne Enterprises will still have a monetary hand in the Bat. And Bruce seems to have...other sources of money than just stock in Wayne Enterprises. Alfred has had the house since Bruce was declared dead in Batman Begins (missing for seven years before becoming the Batman).

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Well I think Alfred still has the house (and therefore the Batcave under it) and something tells me Wayne Enterprises will still have a monetary hand in the Bat.

Wayne Enterprises itself is poorer (and will have to explain that whole "building a nuclear weapon smack dab in the middle of a densely populated city. In secret. And the arsenal is gone, too.

And Bruce seems to have...other sources of money than just stock in Wayne Enterprises.

Yeah, stealing TVs. But he's not good at it.

Alfred has had the house since Bruce was declared dead in Batman Begins (missing for seven years before becoming the Batman).

So he get a batcave rent-free. But no Batcar or Batplane.

[kenjiharima]

8 years remember Bruce Wayne still probably has some resources somewhere besides Wayne Enterprises. One reason why he got to Gotham in just a few days from God knows where that jail pit he's been in.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by kenjiharima

8 years remember Bruce Wayne still probably has some resources somewhere besides Wayne Enterprises. One reason why he got to Gotham in just a few days from God knows where that jail pit he's been in.

Don't forget, he and Catwoman still have the ultimate software master key. If they want to divert some funds from drug barons or warlords, who would notice?

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

So... What did he pass on?

I'm having a hard time imagining Batman with neither the Wayne fortune nor the extraordinary skills. All you've got left is a guy in a costume, and we saw in TDK how that went.

Nightwing did fine without all of the resources Bruce had when he ran off on his own I believe.

In the Dark Knight Bruce was always looking for someone to pass the mantle of Gotham's protector to. That's why he eyed Harvey Dent as the one (and was close to hanging up the mantle too as he thought he wouldn't need it anymore).

What he passed was the symbol and responsibility because Blake proved that he put Gotham and it's people before himself.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Don't forget, he and Catwoman still have the ultimate software master key. If they want to divert some funds from drug barons or warlords, who would notice?

Wait, what? I thought the 'key' was fake?

For such a program to exist...The implications are staggering. This is far worse than anything Bane did to Gotham. This is worse than even a fusion bomb.

[Ithekro]

In the wrong hands...just like that fusion reactor that "didn't exist".

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by james0246

Wait, what? I thought the 'key' was fake?

Only because Batman had the real one.

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Don't forget, he and Catwoman still have the ultimate software master key. If they want to divert some funds from drug barons or warlords, who would notice?

It's just supposed to erase people, not grant full access to every computer.

(Not that it makes all that much sense either way.)

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Nightwing did fine without all of the resources Bruce had when he ran off on his own I believe.

Nightwing had the "extraordinary skills" Batman had spent years drilling into him. All Blake has is his police training, which is best used with an insignia. Oops.

And though I haven't followed his career all that closely, he's never seemed to lack the resources for gadgetry or intelligence.

In the Dark Knight Bruce was always looking for someone to pass the mantle of Gotham's protector to. That's why he eyed Harvey Dent as the one (and was close to hanging up the mantle too as he thought he wouldn't need it anymore).

Dent, as an attorney, had the system behind him. Blake's an unemployed bum.

What he passed was the symbol and responsibility because Blake proved that he put Gotham and it's people before himself.

Being a good man isn't enough to be the goddamn Batman.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Nightwing had the "extraordinary skills" Batman had spent years drilling into him. All Blake has is his police training, which is best used with an insignia. Oops.

And though I haven't followed his career all that closely, he's never seemed to lack the resources for gadgetry or intelligence.

No but he's his own man and now has the resources in the Batcave (I doubt Bruce would just hand him the keys to an empty house).

Dent, as an attorney, had the system behind him. Blake's an unemployed bum.

Wondering about that too but I'm pretty sure like Dick he'll get a job to cover the bills.

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Being a good man isn't enough to be the goddamn Batman. [/quote]

Your not thinking the big picture.

Batman Begins - Gotham was a corrupted place where the cops except for a few like Jim were scumbags

The Dark Knight - As the joker noted, Gotham has grown somewhat of a backbone and Batman has revealed the gangster's true colors. They are still somewhat fearful due to the Joker.

The Dark Knight Rises - After all the crap they've gone through the cops are now more than willing to step up to the plate for the sake of Gotham.

So it's not just Blake in general. That's why Bruce passed the mantle. He was no longer needed (Aside from injuries obviously) as the people of Gotham are now standing up for themselves. Blake will continue to work to keep that peace.

In other words Bruce built the foundation for others to continue his work.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

No but he's his own man and now has the resources in the Batcave (I doubt Bruce would just hand him the keys to an empty house).

Bruce is spent. It took everything he had left to save Gotham. There's nothing left but an empty cave, and maybe a handful of tools Blake doesn't know how to use - for as long as they still work.

Wondering about that too but I'm pretty sure like Dick he'll get a job to cover the bills.

Yeah. So, a full time job (as what?), plus being Batman. Even if all he eats is ramen for the rest of his life, and lives in the cave rent-free, he'll make, what? Enough to buy one tire of the Tumbler? Oh, wait - he doesn't have a Lucius Fox to provide him with that kind of hardware either (not just the money - the contacts. You can't buy that in the closest Walmart). Even if Fox is still CEO of Wayne Enterprise (questionable how long he'll last, or for that matter, how long it will last), there's no forgotten defense project to repurpose left.

Your not thinking the big picture.

Batman Begins - Gotham was a corrupted place where the cops except for a few like Jim were scumbags

The Dark Knight - As the joker noted, Gotham has grown somewhat of a backbone and Batman has revealed the gangster's true colors. They are still somewhat fearful due to the Joker.

The Dark Knight Rises - After all the crap they've gone through the cops are now more than willing to step up to the plate for the sake of Gotham.

So it's not just Blake in general. That's why Bruce passed the mantle. He was no longer needed (Aside from injuries obviously) as the people of Gotham are now standing up for themselves. Blake will continue to work to keep that peace.

In other words Bruce built the foundation for others to continue his work.

Others, yeah. But no Batman. Because, indeed, there isn't a need anymore (until the next crazy arrives...) That's why inheriting the batcave is so empty. Gotham doesn't need a billionaire in a bat costume anymore - and it's just as well, because it doesn't have one anymore.

That was my original point: Batman is a very rich man with a wide array of skills - engineering, forensics, criminology... And that configuration is gone. There are still good people in Gotham fighting the good fight, but no Batman.

[Sumeragi]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

That was my original point: Batman is a very rich man with a wide array of skills - engineering, forensics, criminology... And that configuration is gone. There still good people in Gotham fighting the good fight, but no Batman.

Not sure of Nolanverse Bruce is quite like his other versions in those aspects.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Not sure of Nolanverse Bruce is quite like his other versions in those aspects.

He at least had engineering (Fox had him complete the Bat) and martial arts. And he claimed to be better than the police at analyzing evidence, if only because he had better toys.

Sure, he's not "the best at everything" like in the comics. But he's at least supposed to be good at it.

[hyl]

I wouldn't doubt his forensic abilities, he immediately deduced that catwomen was primarily after his finger prints and not the necklace after his safe was robbed

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

I never laughed so hard. i was giggling at the first 3 pics then when i read "its good to be batman" i lost it.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Others, yeah. But no Batman. Because, indeed, there isn't a need anymore (until the next crazy arrives...) That's why inheriting the batcave is so empty. Gotham doesn't need a billionaire in a bat costume anymore - and it's just as well, because it doesn't have one anymore.

That was my original point: Batman is a very rich man with a wide array of skills - engineering, forensics, criminology... And that configuration is gone. There still good people in Gotham fighting the good fight, but no Batman.

Well with the cat out of the bag with the Harvey Dent Act the criminals will come swarming into Gotham again. The reason why crime was so low was because of that.

I never laughed so hard. i was giggling at the first 3 pics then when i read "its good to be batman" i lost it.

I wonder if it was all a coincidence.

I wouldn't doubt his forensic abilities, he immediately deduced that catwomen was primarily after his finger prints and not the necklace after his safe was robbed

If I recall correctly Nolan wanted to delve more into Batman being a detective which we do see in The Dark Knight but I suppose with time straints and such wasn't able to go fully into it.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Well with the cat out of the bag with the Harvey Dent Act the criminals will come swarming into Gotham again. The reason why crime was so low was because of that.

It seems rather silly. It doesn't matter that Dent went insane in the last few days of his life. The Dent Act proved its efficiency. Why would they want to go back to the bad old days?

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It seems rather silly. It doesn't matter that Dent went insane in the last few days of his life. The Dent Act proved its efficiency. Why would they want to go back to the bad old days?

We as the audience know that he went insane in the last few days thanks to the joker, but entire Gotham doesn't know that.
But the written speech by Gordon that Bane read out loud didn't actually say that Dent went insane in the last few days of his life. Just that everyone was lied to because Dent was a false idol. Thus making the whole act less credible.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by james0246

Wait, what? I thought the 'key' was fake?

For such a program to exist...The implications are staggering. This is far worse than anything Bane did to Gotham. This is worse than even a fusion bomb.

Why did you think he managed to hire Catwoman? The key was real, he just spread rumours that it was fake so people would stop looking.

And it was a hint at the ending, as that was what they used to start fresh with new identities.

And yes, that's the paradox of Batman. He kept collecting dangerous things so they wouldn't fall into the wrong hands, but then he just kept weaponizing everything he gets his hands on that wasn't already a weapon.

For crying out loud, in the comics Superman called Bruce the most dangerous person on Earth. Bruce essentially fight dangerous criminals by being even more dangerous than they are. That's why he is the Dark Knight.