Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[Kha]

@Comar: I have similar ideas, except the Inner Planes are called the Origin, the Material Plane called the Materium, and the Outer Planes called the Warp. I guess it's cos we both draw from our D&D backgrounds.

[Comartemis]

I don't have a D&D background so much as a Star Wars D20 background, but I was trying to come up with an alternative to the 40K model you're using in Khakanon (since it doesn't work well for my purposes) and D&D came along and clubbed me over the head with a +5 Mace of Smiting.

[dkellis]

Posting quickly for now.

If there are no objections, I'll start up OCNano at Wikidot or Wetpaint when I get back home.

At this point it's a tossup between either of them.

[Wild Goose]

I can help maintain/clear things on OCNano, I tend to be rather picky about editing and keeping things properly arranged. No problems on the name and stuff.

And yes, an OCNano wiki would be very good.

[dkellis]

IMPORTANT: The information in this post is entirely temporary, and may change without notice.

I've set up something at http://ocnano.wikidot.com/ for now. If you want to join, you'll have to first set up a Wikidot account, and then join the OCNano wiki itself. This can be done either by application (which admins have to approve), or by "secret password": forcrackandthewhitedevil (which admins do not have to approve). Apparently there's no lower bar for entry in the options.

The wiki is very unfinished, and I'm still working out Wikidot syntax. (I'm already having buyer's regret about not picking a MediaWiki install, which at least I know already.) If you want to create pages there, please create only original character pages. I'm still working out the category structure and permissions.

DO NOT TREAT THIS AS FINAL. Chances are high that I'll be picking another wiki host before the day is out.

Yeah, screw Wikidot. I'm starting over.

EDIT: And of course, every other free wiki site I've tried is worse, at least for our needs.

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Kha

@Comar: I have similar ideas, except the Inner Planes are called the Origin, the Material Plane called the Materium, and the Outer Planes called the Warp. I guess it's cos we both draw from our D&D backgrounds.

I have no ideas on this because I'm just completely avoidng an unsupported relgious angle in my fics.

Originally Posted by Keroko

After a bit of thought, I remembered that you can have a device without AI, like Hayate's Schwertkruez. Solves the problem of thinking up a personallity too.

Wee… Well I’ve recovered my files after my run in with a nasty little virus so work and posting can now resume on a more normal schedule I think.

As I’ve said I find it hard enough to think up decent characters without having to the devices characters too. As such 99% of my Devices are basically just weapons with minimal AI that don’t talk much more then a modern fighter jet would. I’ll admit the “Device as Character” idea is interesting and has potential, but I’ve got enough stuff on my plate so I’m basically not going to get into that much.

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Hmmm so much for having an original character with a bow and thinking I was the only one to think of that...

You’re both late I was first. Actually I doubt that I’m sure it’s been come up before and I'm not even sure which of us was technically first.

Originally Posted by dkellis

Iiiinteresting.

Should I ask for a quick informal role-call of active OCs and their weapons (or Devices)?

I'm about a week late, but whatever.

Spoiler for Da List:

Felix: Pistol/Shotgun
Cipher: Staff/Spear (depends on mode)
Pixy: Longsword
Alan: Pole-Axe/Spear/ Halberd

Kou: Bow
Shin: Kusari-gama
Miller (No Profile): Grenades and a Grenade Launcher
Daisy: Big Thick Book/Staff
Rose: Another Big Thick Book
Rebecca: Pistol/Backpack Modem ()
Emil: Sniper Rifle
Makoto: Katana
Izumi: Spear/Roller blades…
(Unpublished) Anastasia: Pistol
(Unpublished) Ricardo: Chain-gun

Villains:
Zubov (No Profile): Staff
Red Baron (Profile No Device Section Yet): Spear

Think that's everyone published or mentioned so far.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Signum: In other words, hotbloods are idiots.

Zafira: Reckles idiots.

Erio: I see.

Shamal: That was very informative.

I could have told you that.

Am I spawning something here?

I'm acutally suprised we didn't see more bows earlier. I think Teana is probably to blame for that if she hadn't shown up with a magical gun I bet you'd have seen allot of OC bows instead.

Originally Posted by Sheba

Yeap

Spoiler for Say "Hello" to your unused friends:

Poleaxe

Lochaber Axe

Bill

And many more

Added


The weapon of choice of my Big Stupid Fighter in Legend of the Five Rings

Well one of my OC has a real Pole-Axe as one of the forms of his Swiss Army Pole weapon as noted above tranforming weapons are wonderful things. That said the blade on this particular Axe is absurdly large compared to reasltic weapon (think the sort of thing you see a D&D Barbian swinging around), but lol magical super strength!

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yeah, well, I kinda fell in love with Marisa after that youtube clip, and when I find characters that interest me, I usually start hunting down anything that involves them.

Originally Posted by Keroko

.... okay, so I've only got the first 5 games to mess around with untill I can reign in the others, but its already adictive. It's been a loooooong time since I played a scrollshooter (though I can't remember the ones I've played being this insane with the shooting ) so its adictive nostalgia all over again.

I've tried it and it merely reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten: I fucking HATE scrolling shooters! So I went back to pitting random game and anime characters against each other in Mugen.

LOL crossover!

Originally Posted by Sheba

Hayate could be able to pull moves like Anubis' "Zero Shift" to escape from melee powerhouses or pixies (lol Marvel vs Capcom 2 lingo!) and get back to her favored range. Powers based on manipulation of space are not against canon, arent they?

She just needs to learn to zone her oppnents properly.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Simplest answer in my opinion is cloacking. Devices could be able to jam the scanning of other Devices, cloaking the presence if the wielder doesn't want to be found. It's not so much an attribute of the mage, but an attribute of the Device. Basically, as long as you don't do stuff that is too fancy, you can cloack yourself from passive scans. An active scan (such as a Wide Area Search) would still detect you, but without the mage actually casting that spell, the low level scans won't be able to find a mage who doesn't want to to be found.

Do note that every time these scans missed people was when they didn't want to be found, and they only time they were found they either revealed themselves or people were actively searching for them.

Probably and this merely reinforces my own ideas about an electronic battle space in Nanoha. This in particular would be an example of defensive ECM most likely a form of signal cancellation or absorption. This is also why it’s good to have an EW specialist around he can counter this sort of thing and reinforce your own measures so YOU can get the drop on the enemy.

Originally Posted by Kha

Hey I'm an otaku, so don't expect me to read for entertainment. If you want to see how I live IRL, look at Konata!

That's not something to be proud of ye twit. *bonks Kha on the head*

Me I acutally read more history and scientific stuff then Anime and Magna I'm more of a classic nerd then an otaku, and my interest in the genre is also narrow and tends to fall on either Sci-fi stories or modern day or future fantasy, and sometimes a bit of comdey too.

Originally Posted by Sheba

This is what I call, not reading enough books.

Lelouch pales in comparison

of

all

these

guys.

What?! No Hannibal!? For shame!

Originally Posted by Tormenk

Therefore in a universe far away, Kha lives on as a G'Bed Khanata.

*runs from the mobs*

Really in the bigger scheme of things it's probably not all that different...

Originally Posted by Kha

I said before, GB me and I turn really short with really long hair...

...wait why do I sound like Klan?!

Because you almost certainly were thinking of her when you typed that you doofus. As for me I don't think GB'ing me would do anything if you did it you'd just end up with a really tall flat chested jerkass with disheveled hair and glasses probably the only difference is I'd have less stubble.

[Kha]

@Tk:


Oh and in other news OCnano looks to be full steam ahead. Despite the sharp learning curve, do attempt to contribute. For me, I'm just throwing up thoughts and triggers hapzardly so don't mind me while my sections read like Starcraft 2 Alpha builds.

[JINNSK]

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Hmmm...nobody has a translation of these, do they? (Don't go out of your way to do it; that's a lot to translate, and if nobody has it don't worry.)

Spoiler for Original:

-13話のラスト、6年後のはやてが変身しようとしていましたが、あれは彼女自身が持っている能力なのでしょ うか?
都築 はやても健康で普通に育っていたらなのはたちと同じかちょっと上回るくらいの魔力があったんじ ゃないかと。
それが全部「闇の書」に強制貯蓄させられていたような状態で、真の覚醒をしてからその魔力が全部戻ってきた というかんじじゃないんでしょうか。
12話で戦った時は、貯蓄の分とリインフォース本体の力が融合している状態なんだと思います。
リインフォース消滅後ははやて個人の魔力のみですが、魔法の運用が滞りなくできてるのはリインフォースの残 した遺産のおかげということで。

-リインフォースの遺産とは?
都築 「魔力運用と、現在保有している魔法の使い方」についての知識とか...。
たとえば普通の人が、ものすごく高性能のコンピュータをぽんと渡されたとして、やりたいことがあっても知識 や経験が無い状態だとなにもできないじゃないですか。
ソフトが入っていても、何を立ち上げてどんな項目を選択すればいいのかもわからない。
リインフォースが残したものは、はやてが自分のパソコンを操作するための情報を懇切丁寧に書き込んだ、分厚 いマニュアルみたいなものなんだと思います。
「××をしたい時は、○○を立ち上げて△△を選択して」みたいな。
リインフォースが使えたり、魔導書に蒐集された魔法に関する情報や使い方をマニュアル化したものがはやての 記憶に記録されていて、はやてはそれを参照することで魔法を使える...という感じじゃないん でしょうか。
だから、リインフォースができたことは大抵はやてもできるし、当面は困らない。
ただ、これから新しいことをやっていこうと思ったら、多少の応用はきいてもやっぱり最初から覚えなきゃいけ ないと思いますけど。

-はやても修行するタイプですか?
都築 必要に応じて勉強や習得はもちろんしていくとは思いますが、なのはやフェイトとは若干方向性が違うかもしれ ません。
なのはやフェイトは、どこか「競技者」な面がありますから、習得や鍛錬の方向性が最終的に「自分個人がより 強く、上手く」ということ帰結する。
単一戦力として強くなることに価値を見いだす....強い自分を武器に仲間の役に立つというか 。
エース体質なんだと思います。
でもはやては、自分個人が万能・無敵になる必要は必ずしも無いと思っている部分あるんじゃない かと。
自分の守護騎士たちをより動きやすい形で動かしてあげられるようにするとか、一緒に事態に当たる仲間たちの 能力を認識した上で、最適で最上の支援法を選択するとか...。
はやての思考はそういう方面にむいているかと思います。育ってきた環境も、なのはやフェイトは常に「自分が 」何かをしなくてはならない状況だったのに対して、はやてはいつも誰かに何かをしてもらっていて、それに対 して自分が何をしてあげられるか、ということを考えてきた面があると思うので...。

-むしろクロノに似ていますか?
都築 はい。クロノとはやては気が合いそうです(笑)。
能力を競う「競技者」ななのはやフェイトに対して、クロノやはやては、球技のキャプテンや監督のような感じ で...。
陸上や水泳のような競技は、能力で明らかに劣っているものが上の立場の敵に勝つことはほぼ不可能ですが、実 際の戦闘や球技のようなゲームであれば、そうでもない。
はやてやクロノは、そういう状況で戦略とかゲームメイキングに気が回るタイプなんじゃないかと 。
ちなみに、なのはとフェイトは自分の速球がうたれたら「もっと速い球を投げられるようになろう」と思う人た ちだと思います(笑)。

-はやてと融合型デバイスの設定は、どちらが先につくられたのですか?
都築 はやてのほうが先です。
初期では闇の書は「望まずして突然持たされてしまった大きすぎる力」というだけで、そのほかの設定はそれほ ど細かく決まっていませんでしたが...。

-ところで、はやての料理は誰かに教わったのでしょうか?
都築 基本的には、図書館で独学とか何じゃないでしょうか。
多分ヴォルケンズ(ヴォルケンリッターたち)がくるまでは、ひとりで趣味としていろんなものを作っては「ひ とりやと食べきれへんなー」とかしょんぼりして冷凍保存したり、大人数向けの料理を「作ってみたいなー」と 思いつつあきらめていたのが、急に家族が4人も増えて一気に情熱に火がついたんじゃないかと。
自分が庇護したい相手がいて、その人たちが自分を頼りにしてくれるというのは、はやてにとってはとてつもな くうれしいことですし、そういう場はどこまでもがんばれる子だと思うので...。
逆に言うと自分個人のためにはあんまりがんばる気がないってことだったりもするんですが...
そういう意味では、はやてはエースよりも指揮官向きで、同時に騎士たちや、自分が生み出したリインフォース Ⅱの母親でいるのが一番居心地のいい場所なんじゃないでしょうか。

Spoiler for Translation:

-In the last scene of A's ep13,Hayate was going to transform.Does she have transform skill?
Tsuzuki I think Hayate had mana of quantity same as Nanoha and Fate or slightly more than them if she healthy grew up.
All of her mana was forcibly made to save into "The book of the darkness" and she regained it entirely after awakening.
When she was fighting in ep12,it was the state that savings and mana of Reinforce were united.
After Reinforce disappeared,she has only mana of own.But she can use magic without stress,because there is the inheritance which Reinforce left.

-What's Reinforce's inheritance?
Tsuzuki It's a thing such as the knowledge about "the management of mana and the usage of magic".
For example,If a common person suddenly got a very high-performance PC,he cannot do what he want to do because there are not knowledge and experience.
Even if software was installed,he does not know what application he should start and which menu he should select.
I think Reinforce gave Hayate a thing like the very thick manual which Reinforce exhaustively and painstakingly wrote in information for Hayate to operate her PC
Like "When you want to do ××,start ○○ and select △△".
Information about magic Reinforce used and collected by Knights recorded in memory of Hayate,and she can use magic by referring to it.
So,Hayate can do most thing Reinforce can do and she is not troubled with using magic for the time being.
But,When she is going to do that is totally new, she must parctice and train it from a beginning.

-Is Hayate a type to train herself,too?
Tsuzuki (omit)

-If anything, is she the type that resemble Chrono?
Tsuzuki (omit)

-Which did you plot earlier,Hayate or the Unison device?
Tsuzuki (omit)

-By the way,did Hayate learn cooking by somebody else?
Tsuzuki (omit)

I translated only a point about the magic. Excuse omitting other part.

[Kha]

It is true; Hayate's SS rank is representative of her own natural mana pool plus training and hardwiring Reinforce gave her...

Hard-wired Multi-Tracker indeed. >.<

Gentlemen, with this, and the updates to Heaven's Feel Anita made, we've got to live with an SS-ranked Sophia for good.

And Anita's cackling has never been ebil-ler... <.< / >.>

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

She just needs to learn to zone her oppnents properly.

She need a staple zone move like Goenitz's twister or Sagat Tiger Shot or Cable's Viper Beam! Or Reimu's homing amulets.

What?! No Hannibal!? For shame!

Dont worry about it, he hold a place in my pantheon of military geniuses, along with the Admiral Nelson.

[dkellis]

I'm tired, and I'm going to sleep. For lack of anything better, we're apparently sticking with Wikidot. As Kha says, the learning curve is steep (quite steep, in fact), but all our other options are worse.

Once again, the site is at http://ocnano.wikidot.com and the "secret password" to join is forcrackandthewhitedevil.

[Comartemis]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I have no ideas on this because I'm just completely avoidng an unsupported relgious angle in my fics.

The Saint Church is more or less an open book for the time being, so I'm taking Kha's route and filling in the blanks for the purposes of Comacanon.

Also, an idea for a character associated with Alex, most likely as some sort of familiar:

Anybody here seen/read Negima? Remember Asuna Kagurazaka's abilities as a complete magic canceler? Anybody guessing where I'm going with this?

My proposal: a rare skill which largely prevents one from accessing most forms of magic, but enables that person to break apart magic spells by attacking the template the spells are built on. The character receiving this ability in Comacanon would have access to only the most basic D-rank spells, a single Reinforcement-type spell to give her Charles Atlas Superpowers, and incredible resistance to magic-based attacks (and a barrier jacket). Most likely this character would be a direct port of Asuna Kagurazaka, or at least implied to be somehow related to her. The canceling abilities can be limited to spells below a certain rank if the concept is haxxed as-is, but does anyone think it works the way it's currently set up?

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Tempest Dynasty

The first five Touhou games are PC98 games, so you'll need a PC98 emulator like Anex86.

PC98 emulator?

Originally Posted by Kha

*prods Eva back from Crushridge*

Come on, I need more 70s for OCST in order to look vaguely like a raiding guild in future! My pally and soon to be PT'd rogue is not enough! And LE is another pally! Need Hunter to MD boss to me until Blizz decide to give me a goddamn Taunt!

Our pally tank usually never has a problem with aggro . And Pallies do have a taunt. It just works differently than a warrior taunt.

Originally Posted by Kha

Ah a mostly focused on description chappie. Now all those questions come into perspective, Would've been perfect except for one thing...

*throws Avenger's Shield at Eva, then follows with Judgement of Vengeance, Holy Shock and Crusader Strike*

Burn the Errant Grammar, Kill the Typodaemon, Purge the Pointlessly-Inserted-Fanservice!!!

*counters with Psychic Scream, Vampiric Touch and Embrace, SW: Pain, and Mind Flaaaayyyyyyyy~~~~~*

And it's all Ghaz's idea! Judge him!

Originally Posted by krisslanza

Looks like Keroko has fallen to Touhou...

I'm plotting crack. No estimated time as I'm feeling worse and worse with each passing day at work...

Aww....I hope you get better

Originally Posted by Kha

Needs targeting macros to be effective, like the one I have for BoP, which then begs the chance of said person pulling an aggro-dump, and I waste the RD/BoP.

But its still theorycrafting. I've never done tankadin at 70 as I sold my pally before BC came along. Now we'll have to depend on Crushridge to have the final verdict.

Though if a mob is resistant to Taunt, does it resist RD?

You target the mob and press 'F' to find their current target . Maybe you should have a talk with one of my guild's MT. She's an awesome tank and in 5-mans hunters complain about not being able to pull aggro off her to trap

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Mages can kill Rogues, but it usually involves stupidity and/or carelessness on the part of the Rogue...

...which rarely happens if you want to live as a Rogue.

Stupid Clock of Lawl (Shadow)...

Originally Posted by Keroko

Never been much of a macro user. Too much hassle when working with other comps or when reinstalling one. Never needed them either.

I mostly insert a /stopcasting for emergency spells like IceBlock and Counterspell just to make sure it'll go off when I want it. Oh, and a focus macro for sheep and shackle. those help a lot.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Too late. Touhou is already taking firm root.

The infection is spreading!

Originally Posted by Kha

Hey I'm an otaku, so don't expect me to read for entertainment. If you want to see how I live IRL, look at Konata!

...so you play as characters of the opposite gender and even have a...husband?

*RUNZ*

Originally Posted by Kha

I said before, GB me and I turn really short with really long hair...

...wait why do I sound like Klan?!

Bwahahahaha!!

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

This is completely off topic, but do you guys mind giving me your opinion for a story I want to write?

Spoiler for Life's Battle Prologue:

*snip*

An intriguing bit there, Ghaz. Holds a lot of potential for what can be done with it.

[Wild Goose]

http://ocnano.wikidot.com/commonly-used-terms

Go and pad out the terms if y'all want; so far there's just listings for Khrack, Outer Cadia and Ion Canon under the Commonly Used Terms.

[Nightengale]

Nighty has returned. :3

I'd tackle the backlog... but seriously, 3 weeks and 1000 post was hectic enough to read through. @_@

By the way, I've done some reading and, man, there are some great stuff here and there.

@Fate,Kyral, Keroko : Amazing arts and shops. Kyral's especially on Yuuno. @_@

@Aaron, great start to the prequel... though I'm starting to see a pattern of sorts... and the GenerationS was

@tsou... okay, more. I have a gist, but it really needs more in-depth to see where it's really going.

Anyway, I heard someone wanted a weapon list for OCs?

Spoiler for mine:

child!Gil Graham : a prototype Intelligent Device that was designed to possess both the strength of a Belkan and the versatility of Mid-childan based equipments. Was destroyed at the end, and deemed a failure of an experimental model.

http://i26.tinypic.com/17zjfl.jpg

Aria : look KOS-MOS, only without ranged weapons summoning from the database. Android basically, a very stripped version of a combat robot made purely for melee.

Florentina : look Shamal, except one ring only.

Saga : Keyblade, formed after Hayate's staff. Picture = 1000 Words.

Isdera : Swords. Well, just one, but each form of his blade is just different swords.

Astra :

The rest... meh, later. I intend to do some revamps anyway. :/

Originally Posted by Estavali

..... Whatever Nighty and Lowe can come up with .

*re-lurks*

Well, you know full well my crack now. :3

The basic conception of how the canon events play out is all up to personal creativity beyond that point.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Use it too much and it gets... well... you know... old?

As for me, I already made a Crossbow-user OC in the past. But she is not mine to use for now.:3

As for the bringing back to life... Nighty thought up of something once in IRC that had me and many others going @______@...

*rejoices for having no classes for the next two days*

what did I bring up? @_@

Originally Posted by Keroko

I have been spending some time thinking out Syn now, and I discovered the source of one of the stumbleblocks. As you know, Syn is linked to Vivio, and much of her character progresion and development are linked to Vivio. However, we don't know anything on how Vivio will progress. What will her personallity be? What magic style will she use? How will she use it? What will her device be? What will her goal be when she joins the TSAB? Will she join the TSAB?

So I've comes to ask advice, and give my own analysis of what a 'canon' Vivio would look like. Me being me, this means that instead of going out and invent stuff, I like to stick to the things canon has given us. So lets begin:

Vivio: Her personallity.

The basics of a character, and arguably one of the easier parts. If we look at StrikerS, we see a girl who is always looking for warmth, always looking for people to care, and be cared about. We also see a very inquisitive girl, who likes to learn, as shown when she watches videos of her mothers lessons. We also know that she is a crybaby, and while I believe that she will grow out of crying about everything, I still think that her quick tears are a part of her personallity. Lastly, during the final episodes, we see a girl who wants to stand on her own legs, and even though she loves her mother, she doesn't want to rely on her for everything, and wants to become strong.

Vivio: Her goals.

This is where things become harder. While I think her joining the TSAB won't be in much question, the real question becomes 'what will her goals be?' will she follow her mother and become an instructor? Will she follow Hayate and become an investigator? Will she follow Fate and become an Enforcer? Or will she follow Subaru and become a member of the Disaster Managment?

My personal opinion is that she will follow either Fate the Wolkenritter's path. Her experience is similar to Fate and Hayate, in that she was saved by the people who loved her. This could put her down a path that would make her want to keep the things that happened to her happen to other people. Also, since her goal near the end of StrikerS is to 'become strong' rather then 'to teach' being on the investigator/enforcer or combat division path sounds more logical for Vivio.

The question then becomes: Which path? Either way you could make a case for it. As an Investigator/Enforcer, she would be able to seek out and safe people a la Fate, but as a member of the Combat Division, she would have ample oportunity to grow stronger.

Vivio: Her magic style.

Again a case with much diversity among the fanbase. Some say she goes Belkan, others say she will mimic her mother and go Mid. Me? I like to work with what we have, rather then grab in the air. Canon gives us Belkan magic, a rainbow collored magic collor, a penchant to melee and ranged attacks seemingly going for mid-range

Concidering a few of her abillities, we have this:

Spoiler:

Now this is interesting, because it means two things: One, Vivio has a biological automated self-defence, which is apparently powerfull enough to trash a truck and several drones (due to a lack of detail lets just say it was a huge magical explosion a la Diabolic Emision) and second, she has the abillity to 'copy' spells. Now we know that she studied video's of Nanoha giving lessons, so it is probably done through seeing a spell in action. How much time is needed for her to copy is unknown, but I expect it to be a long-term thing. How much of Nanoha's attacks she has learned is unknown, but it is not unrealistic to assume she has learned and converted all of them. She seems to favor using the Belkan ones, which ties in with the rest of her combat scenes.

The Armor of the Saint King is still subject of debate, even in canon, but as it has been stated by Quattro to require a Relic to be able to be used to full efficiency, dubbing it as her having a powerfull defence potentional seems adequite. It should be at least that much, concidering Quattro said she could survive Dieci's S-rank blast, and it ties with her Belkan style as well.

Vivio: Her Device and Barrier Jacket.

And lastly, the case which has the widest diversety of all. Vivio's Device and Barrier Jacket. Her Jacket and Device's appearance are easy for me, sticking with what canon has given us ends us up with her black/purple Jacket which was based of Nanoha's, and her purple/green Device on her hands, which looks like a Device meant to augument her melee abillities, concidering the knuckles.

This only leaves us with the name of the Device. So far I haven't found any clues as to what it is called, and while I have no doubt that the Device is Belkan in origin, its name is a key matter in writing Vivio.

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So far my view on what a canon Vivio would be in the future. Any opinions, hints to unknown factors, or corrections are much apreciated.

Personally, I see Vivio potentially becoming somewhat closer to Fate in terms of natural persona, more shy and stuff, but emotionally closer to Nanoha's, being more passionately open. However, at her stage, I don't think she'll deviate much from her current cute personality.

One question would be how much HOTBLOOD to inject in her. It's in the blood, and naturally being a future fighter, but the tone of it is important. I would think for her to be a little bit of an idiot in dire situations though. As for her magical abilities, I'd say marginal control over the Barrier and being a fast-learner is the best compensation she could have.

Originally Posted by Mirron

Keyblade Devices? I don't think Keyblades inherently strike me as being intelligent devices. As for me, I am a compendium of magic and pseudo-magic knowledge, so while I like KH, I also like Slayers, and a large number of other games and anime. What ideas do you have for them, Keyblade Devices? What of Nobodies, Heartless, and the new race? Will they have appearance?

As well, does that mean you agree with the idea of the new Mid magic being like Wisdom Form? It seems different enough from long range that Mid typically uses.

As for the Velka vs. Mid magic debate, that seems to be a good way to describe it, although it seems simplistic. Plus, what about the Dragon Flash? I don't think it was energy enhanced sword, but I could be wrong, and it was in Serpent Form, so who knows.

Also, someone who likes Slayers. Do you like fighting games? I know a game you would like, especially when it's completed, as it has characters from Nanoha and Slayers in it fighting, with the current demo featuring Lina and Nanoha.

My OC uses Keyblade, but purely in aesthetics. Realistically, it's an impractical blade weapon, but used in the context of something like a chinese crow-blade, designed to restrict weapon movements and stuff, it's not so bad.

[QUOTE=tshouryuu;1678371]This is a crackish idea I have thought up. It is not particularly well written but Aaron008R persuaded me that you guys should have a look.[SPOILER="Prologue or Madness"]Prologue or Madness

Originally Posted by Keroko

Actually,top priority was pulling off the attack and getting out. Both Vivio and Type-Zero were secondary objectives, as they could also be aquired at a later date.

Actually, no. Vivio was obviously extremely high priority. The incident where he attacked the GC was clearly already a violation and clear sign of betrayal towards Regius and the Council. If he failed to get Vivio then, a lot of his routes to getting Vivio again to awaken his no.1 insurance would've been cut off.

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

Ah, it LIVES!!! Got an interesting set up for what will happen to the teams later. And looks like your new OCs have finally made their appearance :3. Some small grammar bits here and there but nothing too bad I think.

Oh, and that bit with Caro and Lutecia?

*ahem*

Spoiler:

GGGHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So...this means the little bit you sent me before will be showing up, huh?

*is blown away*

And probably :3

Originally Posted by Keroko

Every time I read RF6 I can't help but enjoy Syn. I guess that's one of her many similarities to Vivio, and also one of her advantages. Syn is formed by the background of the story she grows up in, making her technically always in character.

I really like what you did with Syn in RF6. Please don't replace her with my latest version when it comes out.

I'm glad that you enjoyed it thus far :3

And sure, I'll develop Syn in my own way then

Originally Posted by Kha

Ah a mostly focused on description chappie. Now all those questions come into perspective, Would've been perfect except for one thing...

*throws Avenger's Shield at Eva, then follows with Judgement of Vengeance, Holy Shock and Crusader Strike*

Burn the Errant Grammar, Kill the Typodaemon, Purge the Pointlessly-Inserted-Fanservice!!!

Well I did say that all the errors and grammar were unadulterated :3 I didn't really edit it at all XD Fresh from the factory, as it were :3

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Yeah, that bit...kinda caught me...off-guard...

What caught you off guard? The C/L moment? :3

Originally Posted by PhoenixG

:O this sounds interesting

Yes, it does, doesn't it? :3

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

*counters with Psychic Scream, Vampiric Touch and Embrace, SW: Pain, and Mind Flaaaayyyyyyyy~~~~~*

And it's all Ghaz's idea! Judge him!

Eh?! EHH?!!!! What's going on?! O.o

An intriguing bit there, Ghaz. Holds a lot of potential for what can be done with it.

Glad you liked it

I plan to release it on FP.net (FictionPress) when I've finished the first chapter, and I'll see what happens from there

[Comartemis]

Okay, so I did some rethinking of Alex's character because I was having problems with Arcadia's political situation, and I decided it wasn't strictly necessary for him to know the Aces prior to StrikerS, so here's what I came up with following the creation of Comacanon's so-far-incomplete cosmology. Also, since the local haxxbusters have deemed not to give me an immediate response on Asuna, I've also included a more developed concept of her based on what I came up with in just the past hour or so.

Spoiler for Alex and Asuna:

Alex hails from a chaotic world on the "far edge" of the multiverse which superficially resembles Laharl's netherworld in Disgaea. As the heir to the throne of the universe's overlord, Alex is challenged in his youth by several ambitious vassals after his dad croaks. Despite being only six or so, Alex is already a fairly formidable fighter and has a loyal retinue of (much older) bodyguards to fight at his side, so instead of confronting him directly, Alex is tricked into stepping into a pre-arranged teleportation circle and gets blasted off clear to the other side of the multiverse.

And where should he end up, but in Carim Gracia's backyard.

Carim takes Alex in for reasons of her own and tries to convert him into a member of the Saint Church, which doesn't take too well with Alex due to his pseudo-demonic heritage and upbringing. However Carim's roll as a surrogate mother eventually turns him from a devilish brat into a teenaged delinquint with a good heart and a strong set of values. Eventually he becomes a knight of the Saint Church and meets Hayate and company around the same time Hayate meets Carim and Acous.

Some time before this, however, there comes a point in Alex's upbringing where he would be traditionally expected to summon his first minion, a process which is similar in concept to the creation of a familiar but with a strongly spiritual component to it. The process involves the creation of an artificial body as with the creation of a familar or a guardian beast, but instead of creating the creature's consciousness and will from the magic of the master's linker core (effectively enslaving the creature to the master's will and creating the magic dependency seen in familiars) a spirit is summoned from the astral plane to inhabit and empower the body with their own energies. This makes the minion independent of the master's magic supply and creates no drain on the master's resources save for what is required to make the body in the first place, but there is a chance the spirit will be less than willing to become the master's personal servant. There are additional control magics and spells that can be incorporated into the minion's creation to make the minion more willing to be compliant with the master's orders, but the minion's will cannot be outright dominated or controlled; doing so in Alex's culture is the sign of a poor leader in any case, and Alex is too proud to subvert his minion's will, preferring to win his/her loyalty the old-fashioned way.

Carim doesn't like the idea of doing this--the process all but reeks of necromancy--until Alex makes the point that the summoned spirit is always one that died before its' time was up, one that desires a second chance at life. Where necromancers enslave spirits to their wills, minions want to come back to life, usually because there was some task they didn't complete in their previous lives or something of that nature. The catch to the limitation is that the spirit can't have died of natural causes.

As it turns out, the spirit Alex summons to become his minion is none other than Asuna Kagurazaka, fresh from her premature death in the first Negima anime series. Asuna, who remembers very little of her previous life, is initially reluctant to simply become a servant to Alex, until he points out that she is greatly dependent on him for financial security, among other things. Asuna reluctantly pledges her loyalty to Alex (at least in the short term) and becomes a knight in the Saint Church, working with Alex as a demon hunter, something she's really good at because she can break sealing circles and such spells which allow demons to manifest in the material plane, effectively allowing her to exorcise demons just by punching them, the way her old pactio harisen used to do. Eventually she and Alex become good friends and partners leading into StrikerS, where Carim assigns them to RF6 as the Saint Church's representatives.

The problem with Asuna's anti-magic capabilities, however, is that Asuna's powers as a complete magic canceler manifest as a rare skill which creates a natural--and extremely powerful--AMF field around her, which extends outwards a few inches away from her body and completely prevents her from using all magic systems which use magi-links like the Mid system (and even the Neo and Ancient Belka systems).

The solution, therefore, is to learn a magic system that does not use magi-link fields at all. Carim knows of only one, a spin-off of Ancient Belka which uses magic in a way most of us would recognize as being similar to ki. The catch is that it takes a really long time to toughen up one's body to the point where it can safely handle raw magical energy flowing through it without a spell template to soften the strain on the body.

This eventually leads to Asuna developing Charles Atlas Superpowers and gaining a few basic spells she can use in spite of her magic canceling abilities. As of StrikerS, she's about on par with a typical B-rank knight in terms of physical abilities, but can easily tank spells as high as S-rank without even flinching. Of course, this is all but useless against Jail's cyborgs and Gadgets, and one big sore point with her is that she can't fly even after nearly ten years of training. She's formidable in her own way, but experienced knights like Signum and Vita can still pick her apart without much effort.

She benefits greatly from training with the Forwards under the Aces, and by the end of the series she'll be projecting her energy into ki attacks and most likely learning to fly or at least hover at an appropriately dramatic point in the story.

[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I've tried it and it merely reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten: I fucking HATE scrolling shooters! So I went back to pitting random game and anime characters against each other in Mugen.

LOL crossover!

MUGEN just keeps getting weirder and weirder...

Originally Posted by JINNSK

Spoiler for Original:

-13話のラスト、6年後のはやてが変身しようとしていましたが、あれは彼女自身が持っている能力なのでしょ うか?
都築 はやても健康で普通に育っていたらなのはたちと同じかちょっと上回るくらいの魔力があったんじ ゃないかと。
それが全部「闇の書」に強制貯蓄させられていたような状態で、真の覚醒をしてからその魔力が全部戻ってきた というかんじじゃないんでしょうか。
12話で戦った時は、貯蓄の分とリインフォース本体の力が融合している状態なんだと思います。
リインフォース消滅後ははやて個人の魔力のみですが、魔法の運用が滞りなくできてるのはリインフォースの残 した遺産のおかげということで。

-リインフォースの遺産とは?
都築 「魔力運用と、現在保有している魔法の使い方」についての知識とか...。
たとえば普通の人が、ものすごく高性能のコンピュータをぽんと渡されたとして、やりたいことがあっても知識 や経験が無い状態だとなにもできないじゃないですか。
ソフトが入っていても、何を立ち上げてどんな項目を選択すればいいのかもわからない。
リインフォースが残したものは、はやてが自分のパソコンを操作するための情報を懇切丁寧に書き込んだ、分厚 いマニュアルみたいなものなんだと思います。
「××をしたい時は、○○を立ち上げて△△を選択して」みたいな。
リインフォースが使えたり、魔導書に蒐集された魔法に関する情報や使い方をマニュアル化したものがはやての 記憶に記録されていて、はやてはそれを参照することで魔法を使える...という感じじゃないん でしょうか。
だから、リインフォースができたことは大抵はやてもできるし、当面は困らない。
ただ、これから新しいことをやっていこうと思ったら、多少の応用はきいてもやっぱり最初から覚えなきゃいけ ないと思いますけど。

-はやても修行するタイプですか?
都築 必要に応じて勉強や習得はもちろんしていくとは思いますが、なのはやフェイトとは若干方向性が違うかもしれ ません。
なのはやフェイトは、どこか「競技者」な面がありますから、習得や鍛錬の方向性が最終的に「自分個人がより 強く、上手く」ということ帰結する。
単一戦力として強くなることに価値を見いだす....強い自分を武器に仲間の役に立つというか 。
エース体質なんだと思います。
でもはやては、自分個人が万能・無敵になる必要は必ずしも無いと思っている部分あるんじゃない かと。
自分の守護騎士たちをより動きやすい形で動かしてあげられるようにするとか、一緒に事態に当たる仲間たちの 能力を認識した上で、最適で最上の支援法を選択するとか...。
はやての思考はそういう方面にむいているかと思います。育ってきた環境も、なのはやフェイトは常に「自分が 」何かをしなくてはならない状況だったのに対して、はやてはいつも誰かに何かをしてもらっていて、それに対 して自分が何をしてあげられるか、ということを考えてきた面があると思うので...。

-むしろクロノに似ていますか?
都築 はい。クロノとはやては気が合いそうです(笑)。
能力を競う「競技者」ななのはやフェイトに対して、クロノやはやては、球技のキャプテンや監督のような感じ で...。
陸上や水泳のような競技は、能力で明らかに劣っているものが上の立場の敵に勝つことはほぼ不可能ですが、実 際の戦闘や球技のようなゲームであれば、そうでもない。
はやてやクロノは、そういう状況で戦略とかゲームメイキングに気が回るタイプなんじゃないかと 。
ちなみに、なのはとフェイトは自分の速球がうたれたら「もっと速い球を投げられるようになろう」と思う人た ちだと思います(笑)。

-はやてと融合型デバイスの設定は、どちらが先につくられたのですか?
都築 はやてのほうが先です。
初期では闇の書は「望まずして突然持たされてしまった大きすぎる力」というだけで、そのほかの設定はそれほ ど細かく決まっていませんでしたが...。

-ところで、はやての料理は誰かに教わったのでしょうか?
都築 基本的には、図書館で独学とか何じゃないでしょうか。
多分ヴォルケンズ(ヴォルケンリッターたち)がくるまでは、ひとりで趣味としていろんなものを作っては「ひ とりやと食べきれへんなー」とかしょんぼりして冷凍保存したり、大人数向けの料理を「作ってみたいなー」と 思いつつあきらめていたのが、急に家族が4人も増えて一気に情熱に火がついたんじゃないかと。
自分が庇護したい相手がいて、その人たちが自分を頼りにしてくれるというのは、はやてにとってはとてつもな くうれしいことですし、そういう場はどこまでもがんばれる子だと思うので...。
逆に言うと自分個人のためにはあんまりがんばる気がないってことだったりもするんですが...
そういう意味では、はやてはエースよりも指揮官向きで、同時に騎士たちや、自分が生み出したリインフォース Ⅱの母親でいるのが一番居心地のいい場所なんじゃないでしょうか。

Spoiler for Translation:

-In the last scene of A's ep13,Hayate was going to transform.Does she have transform skill?
Tsuzuki I think Hayate had mana of quantity same as Nanoha and Fate or slightly more than them if she healthy grew up.
All of her mana was forcibly made to save into "The book of the darkness" and she regained it entirely after awakening.
When she was fighting in ep12,it was the state that savings and mana of Reinforce were united.
After Reinforce disappeared,she has only mana of own.But she can use magic without stress,because there is the inheritance which Reinforce left.

-What's Reinforce's inheritance?
Tsuzuki It's a thing such as the knowledge about "the management of mana and the usage of magic".
For example,If a common person suddenly got a very high-performance PC,he cannot do what he want to do because there are not knowledge and experience.
Even if software was installed,he does not know what application he should start and which menu he should select.
I think Reinforce gave Hayate a thing like the very thick manual which Reinforce exhaustively and painstakingly wrote in information for Hayate to operate her PC
Like "When you want to do ××,start ○○ and select △△".
Information about magic Reinforce used and collected by Knights recorded in memory of Hayate,and she can use magic by referring to it.
So,Hayate can do most thing Reinforce can do and she is not troubled with using magic for the time being.
But,When she is going to do that is totally new, she must parctice and train it from a beginning.

-Is Hayate a type to train herself,too?
Tsuzuki (omit)

-If anything, is she the type that resemble Chrono?
Tsuzuki (omit)

-Which did you plot earlier,Hayate or the Unison device?
Tsuzuki (omit)

-By the way,did Hayate learn cooking by somebody else?
Tsuzuki (omit)

I translated only a point about the magic. Excuse omitting other part.

I see...that sure explains a few things

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

MUGEN just keeps getting weirder and weirder...

Dude... It's SNAKE vs SUBARU. That's not weird, that's AWESOME. But I think snake got gipped. He had no specials, and Subaru kept chucking out shouryukens.


Snake should have gotten stingers.



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Anywho. I got rolling last night and did a large chunk of my slow chapter, and put together the conversation that takes place between Hayate and General Roland in his office.

Chapter five: scene B :: Roland's Office

Spoiler for Roland's Office scene:

General Roland's office, as best as Hayate could put it, was something of a museum display of his past achievements. This was almost completely controversial to the rather bland knobbed door he had for it. In fact, his office seemed to be one of the less advanced in the building, where as most other offices had the fancy high-tech TSAB doors. Roland simply thought the old style door had a more friendly look to it.
However, almost immediately when she came through the rather plain looking door, she was struck by the amazing amount of... knick-knacks he had strewn about. She was greated first by the large poster sized picture right behind his desk. It dipicted a large yellow shield with a diagonal black stripe going from the top left, towards the bottom right. In the upper right hand yellow space, a black, horse-head shaped sihloett was placed. It seemed somehow familliar. Along side it on each side, various other emblems could be seen. One arched ribbon read, in plain English lettering, "AIRBORNE" and had below it, another shield, but with a full color image of an eagle with a white head. Another was a solid black background with the gold outline of another arched ribbon, this one had the lettering for "RANGER" on it. Based on the way they were mounted on each side of the large wall scroll, they seemed to be very important for the General.

Below these, were something she more readily recognized, pictures. Seemed to be class pictures similar to the TSAB's basic training schools for mages, but they weren't of mages, but camoflauged soldiers. The first image had a rather youngish looking group, with a commander in a rather, interesting looking brown hat off to one side. Another was a similar image, but with a more weather-beaten looking group that somehow seemed to be extremely proud of themselves. On the opposite side, an image of a younger version of Roland sitting atop a large tan vehicle she recognized as a Tank. What kind, she couldn't identify, and wherever he was in that image, it seemed to be a dessert. The final picture of the group of four on the wall showed him, many years younger, wearing a dress uniform and decorated moderately well.

The wall to her right held a different museum of items. She recognized some kind of Earth firearm in a glass case mounted to the wall almost immediately, but it seemed unloaded. Next to it was another case holding a large helmet and the camoflauged uniform he'd been wearing in the pictures. It was neatly pressed, decorated, and displayed immaculately for any wandering eyes.

The desk, was another story... despite the low amount of paperwork, it became clear why the general hated it in the first place.

He sucked at it.

A large number of papers lay unsorted in a seemingly random stack, mixed with manilla folders that covered nearly every square inch of work space in a haphazzard manner she was glad Rein didn't have to see, save for a small spot where he would be working on whatever paper was most important. She noted several numbered pages of a document laying 'lost' to different corners of the desk and realized they belong to a seventy-two page report that he seemed to only have six pages of. The only other empty space on his desk seemed to one other display piece, a miniature model of the tank he was riding in the picture. It's 'gun' pointed towards the door, and whomever would be coming through it, as if guarding the dissaster.

To her left, Hayate noted the chaos continued, somewhat. Roland had a bookshelf, some shelves containing books she couldn't identify, and others fill with various knick-knacks she could only believe went with his 'set', ranging from odd pins to an assortment of TSAB, and non TSAB rank pins. This was immaculate in contrast to the filing cabinet along side it, the middle drawer half open and a disarray with one manilla folder sitting open on top, a paper about ready to drop to the floor. The top drawer was cracked open, and seemed to have it's own folder that looked like it hadn't gone in all the way and the general got fed up and tried to shut the drawer on it anyway.

All in all, it was as if Roland had been right in the middle of paperwork and simply dropped what he was doing to perform some other, 'more important' task on the base.

This, she had all taken in during the few minutes it took for the General to apologize for forgetting something, step out, and return with a data disk to place in the holographic computer console that seemed to rise up from the paperwork mess like a zombie from a grave.

"Comprehensive Performance Anallysis from the Maidens and Devices," he explained as he sat down in his chair (which squeaked awkwardly as he did so). Then he noted her apprehensive look at the sheets of white before him.
"Oh, sorry about the mess, paperwork's not my thing."

Obviously. Hayate had been around her knights so long, she could HEAR Vita making that comment offhandedly.

Roland continued unperterbed at her constant uncomfortable glances at the mess on the desk, bringing up the holographic screen of his console and fishing for the compiled summary the AI's had done of the test.

"According to Bloodberry's strategic compilation, the MADCAP performed well above the statistical break-even point of the combat trial by an order of magnitude. The statistical break-even point was that it would be able to handle large numbers of unintelligent or vastly inferior foes handily with a secondary precident of being able to evaid and survive higher level enemy units."

Hayate nodded, waiting for the General to continue.

"After affirmation of results with Cherry, and performance cross refferencing with Raising Heart and Bardiche on the manner, Bloodberry has concluded that EDI's performance in all tactical and strategic sectors to be of an ace level value. The combined summary quite clearly puts him on par with a well balanced Double S combat mage."

Roland waited for that to soak in, then continued his mini-brief.

"Strategic Planning, Tactical Evaluation, Reflexive Response, Preemptive measures," Roland Continued. "All vastly superior to any mage performance. Not surprising since EDI is a computer that can calculate thousands of combat scenerios in a second."

Hayate nodded, no argument there.

"Judgement, excelent. Compassion, I'm surprised this was ranked... but still. EDI temporarily suspended its mission to compete with Fate and then assisted her and Bardiche in breaking the speed record. Excelent level."

Roland flipped through a statistics point graph.

"Speed, more than any mage can handle save for what Fate displayed. Manueverability and Agility. Not as good as a combat mage, but there's a tradeoff for being an airframe. Brute Power, well, unlike linker cores, the MADCAP has a defined magical power system and has a set amount of magic it can burn through at any given time."

"So he's lacking in offensive power?" Hayate asked.


"Oh he's got plenty of power," Roland waved her response back. "Thing is, while the overall output and in general, the stamina of the system would outlast any mage, EDI lacks the burst power a top level artillery mage such as yourself can put out. Whatever he can do is limited to the power of his generator over the course of time. What that translates into is what we saw."

Roland hit a button and displayed EDI's assault on Fate.

"EDI could theoretically engage with mid level buster shots almost non-stop," Roland stated. "However, unlike say, the stunts Nanoha can pull with that experimental Blaster System, the MADCAP cannot gain a significant short term increase in raw power to deal with significant threats. Not without a core overhaul, and it's rather difficult to increase core output without increasing it's size."

"That makes his limits more or less well defined," Hayate nodded. "That makes his threat predictable, but at the same time..." she looked up, smiling. "A reliable and consistant platform."

"Yes," Roland nodded. "And Reliability is something mage forces can find rather difficult to maintain, seeing as our puny organic bodies constantly change."

"I remember when I was shooting down Jail's drones while Quatro was masking them with high level illusions," Hayate thought alloud. "I didn't have a problem taking them down, by the hundreds at some points, but the constant effort to stay on top of the numbers was taking its toll. Having some kind of assistance that would never get tired of dealing with them would have been a strong card to play, even more so later on."

Then Hayate looked up.
"But Jail in particular was learning from every move either of us made, and he proved it with his next offensive. What about Versatility?"

Roland paged through the onscreen report.
"EDI is equipped with a basic combat package based off the most popular Mid-Childa combat mechanisms. He's got basic 'guns', so to speak, a pair of low power magical gatlings really. And he's equipped with two deployable combat systems that simplisticly duplicate the buster shot, and the multi sphere homing bullet system. However, he's got a rotary rack with eight slots for installation of mission specific elements. So there's six slots that can be used to hold anything from specialized sensor elements, to exotic or mission specific arms."

"What kind of arms?" Hayate asked. Roland's eyes darted to the screen.
"Anything."

"Anything?"

"Well," Roland sighed. "Anything that FITS. The rotary rack is designed to accept a wide range of both standard and non-standard equipment on it's locking clamps. So long as EDI knows the hookup and operational mechanisms of the installed equipment, if you can make the clamps hold it, EDI could use it."

"Does that include mass based weaponry?"

Roland did a double take, but understood the genuine concern underlying the rather loaded question.

"Yes, strap a bomb in that slot and EDI would be no different from a supersonic fighter bomber," the General nodded. "We did a test of that with the rack system. The rack can hold up to four thousand lbs of ordinance and still function effectively. Magical equipment generally doesn't get that heavy, so you can fill every slot. Real bombs though, the MADCAP could potentially carry two to four JDAMs."

"That brings me to another question," Hayate stated. Roland had a pretty good idea where this was going. "Why is it, out of all the TSAB, this facility has the authorization to for all intents and purposes, to play with banned mass weaponry, in what amounts to their own backyard?"

"Guts, Determination, and lots of WAAAGH!" Roland responded, looking off to the side.

"I'm serious!" Hayate crossed her arms.

"Okay," Roland shook his head. "I'll be fair about it. The short version is that I convinced the brass that the most effective use for the confiscated material destined for destruction at this facility was best put to use in a constructive manner. That the TSAB should not fall behind in the ways of mass weaponry, or risk falling victim to a situation in which they would be utterly unprepared to account for them in a large scale picture."

"Mid-Childa almost got destroyed by war one-hundred and fifty years ago," Hayate countered. "I don't see you convincing anyone, especially Regius who supervised you, that it would be a 'good idea' to let the weapons that nearly annihilated them become toys to some guy on a remote island... No offense of course."

"None taken," Roland nodded as if to say. 'Fair Enough.'
"But that's the abridged version, I never said it was easy. I had to pull facts, I had to pull experience, I had to pull favors and make trust calls. I had to compile a-three-hundred-page-report documenting what I wanted to do, why I wanted to do it, and the costs and benifits to the TSAB at large on almost every level. I had to do PAPERWORK."

Somehow, Hayate could see that as being a kind walk through Hell Itself for Roland.

"Not only that, but I had to provide a feasable scenario in which the TSAB's magical superiority could go from an advantage to a Liability. And as hard as that sounded, somehow, I got lucky."

Roland stood up, walked over to his bookshelf, and pulled one carefully placed binder from its spot. Opening it up, he pulled out six sheets of paper, obviously a summary of the details in the stacks of papers kept in the binder's rings, and handed them to Hayate.

The girl scanned them for several minutes. The General watched as her face went from scrutiny, to the apex of utter disbelief over the course of seven minutes and thirty seconds.

"This... THIS," Hayate began at last, her mouth partially open in a shocked gape as she tried to find the words to fit what she was thinking.

"Is utter, and complete, bullshit of the highest magnitude possible, yet still completely TRUE." Roland smirked. "I took the United States' overview of the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War, and constructed a scenerio where in the Soviets got access to the most base of magical support just by capturing one Bureau mage, and snowballed the worst case scenario in details too well written to be made up. I played upon every strength the Soviets had at the time. Numbers, industry, ruthlessness. Yet in classic journalism style, I neglected to mention their abismal maintanance, failing economy, and poor morale amongst the people."

"And they BELIEVED this?" Hayate looked at the General shocked.

"Believed it?" Roland shook his head. "I could litterally identify the very moment Gais hit the number of thermonuclear warheads in the Russian stockpile. The guy went white as a sheet before asking me if that number was real."

"What did you tell him."


"The truth," Roland crossed his arms. "I cut the number in half in the report."

Hayate turned as white as Roland had remembered Regius.

"Not only that, but once Gias realized just how easily even a basic transport magic could put a nuke on an unprepared cruiser, or even in HQ itself, he started asking for countermeasure options to the transport magic and/or the actual weapon. I didn't have permission to do anything, but he wanted countermeasues, for the navy. Regius HATED the navy. I think it scared the guy shitless for a week."

"But the Soviet Union fell nearly twenty years ago," Hayate countered after a few seconds. Roland leaned back in his chair, putting his hands behind his head.

"You know that, I know that..." then he leaned forward and smirked. "They don't know that. Not to harp on the wonder that is the TSAB and what it's trying to do for mankind, but I'm a soldier, and those armchair commanders who run things are at best, rookies playing at politics when they've never actually been in a full scale war."


"But, Mid-chil-" Hayate began.

"Mid-childa nearly MADed itself to death a hundred and fifty years ago... and it scared them so much they threw their weapons down and shoved anything war-like away from themselves as hard as they could trying to forget. Trouble is, they've actually succeded to some extent, and it's DANGEROUS."

"And having weapons so easy a child could use them isn't?" Hayate asked.

"And a nine-year old with a built beam cannon isn't?" Roland counteracted. Hayate knew exactly who that stab was aimed at.

"I know it's flawed logic to say it," he continued before she could object. "But fluke or not, Nanoha was a child capable of demolishing buildings should she had wished it, and nothing short of full military action would have stopped her otherwise. With magic weapons, yes, no person is simply going to pick up a weapon and destroy worlds, but where do you draw the line at what is acceptable? A child abused by her biological mother sent around to be the violent but unwitting errend runner for a mad scheme that could potentially shatter realities? Or maybe the girl who accidently discovers an ancient artifact that runs out of control and nearly destroys a city as a side effect?"

Hayate went deathly quiet, glaring silently with every fiber of her being, suppressing that hostile feeling of having her own personal history used as ammo in an argument. Roland laced his fingers under his chin and learned on it, suddenly looking far older than he previously had.

"Happy endings these tails," he nodded solemnly. "Happy endings thanks, not to some bureaucratic bullshit about how Weapon X is Greater than five hundred weapon Ys and should be smushed the moment its seen, but because someone put their ass on the line to get the job done, for better, or for worse."

He paused, allowing Hayate time to respond, she remained cold silent, but the look in her eyes softened.

"All I know is this," he stated. "It doesn't matter if it's mass based, or magic based, easy or hard, young or old, weapon or no. If it's dangerous, it will kill. One in a hundred, or one in a thousand. It's simply a matter of when, and where... all it takes is One. One failure to adhere to safety policy, one madman with a scheme to play, one dissenter who thinks he's more important than everyone else.... and BAM. You kill one, you kill a hundred, you kill a hundred million. What are acceptable losses? Would you rather have to guess because policy makers decided it's too dangerous for the stuff you have to deal with to even exist? Or would you rather know exactly what that stuff can do, so you can know half the battle before it even starts, and defeat the enemy so quickly and thoroughly that it's not even worth calling a fight?"

Roland looked up, seeming to regain his composure.

"I'm not going to force you to change your mind, but I will ask you to think for yourself, just as I stated when you showed up. You are from the same planet I am. You know for a fact that while the very thing the TSAB fears can unleash horror... Just because it can, doesn't mean it has to. Even if it's a kid pushing a button... it still takes a kid to push the button. I would rather the people know the button could destroy the world, so someone knows to keep the child away from it. The alternative is a DeeDee... 'Oooo what does THIS button do?' and such."


Hayate looked down for a while as roland continued to stare, himself absentmindedly noting he had fallen into a meloncholy looking version of the Gendo Position. After about two minutes of complete silence, Hayate looked up again, seemingly almost sad.

"If only it were that easy to convince people..." she began.

"There would be no wars," the General looked solemly over his hands. "And the universe would be a far happier place for everyone." And then his uncharacteristicly soft gaze stiffended into the steel he had once before. "Until then... I have work to do."

And with a quick and purposeful motion, rose from his desk, sliding around the side somehow managing not to disturb the paperwork, and opened the door.

"Lt. Col Yagami, if you would please follow me..."

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by mamott99

...
*smacks Keroko for opening up a proverbial can-o-worms*

You DO realise that computes, right, even when it shouldn't?

Yes, I know. That's why I wrote it n the first place.

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

lol dude, Ravenwing is a pure bike/attack bike/land speeder army.

That and all of it's bike is scouting.

Sure you've got 30 inch range, but i have 3+ invuls when I turbo boost, and chances are, I am going to be coming up on your weakest flank to deal as much damage as I can XD

Objective combat wise, I would own you like NOBODY'S business since I can get in, grab the objective, and get the hell out of there XD

With a pure speedvehicle squad you'd own a Tau army period.

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

This is completely off topic, but do you guys mind giving me your opinion for a story I want to write?

Spoiler for Life's Battle Prologue:

In battles, wars, competitions, anything, everyone has their own reasons for doing it. Sometimes it’s for fame, while others it’s for power. There are maybe other reasons, but I’m not really sure, nor do I really care. Not anymore.

I used to fight.

I fought because there wasn’t anything else I could do. My mother died when I was young. I had to fight for my life back then. Life in the street taught me many things. It was also during those days on the street my life took a turn. I joined the military, became one of the top ace pilots in the air force. I ended up being drafted into a special combat program. I fought for people whom I thought were my friends, and were truly my enemies, and vice versa.

I met people whom would become my enemies, truest friends, and family.

But that was so long ago.

I had left that all behind.

It was just me: Just me and my daughter, hidden away from this war torn world, forsaken by all its inhabitants, all in their own greed.

If I had to ever pick up another weapon, it would only so I could pave the road to a life of privacy between me, and my daughter.

I want to hold on to this dream for as long as possible. So long as I can hold onto this peace in my life, I can accept whatever challenges life may throw at me and my daughter.

So long as I know she is safe, I can live this life peaceably.

My name’s Makoto Hirushima. I am a half-human, half-elf.

My mother was human, my father was elf.

Despite the hatred between our worlds, my mother and father peace within one another. Unfortunately, I lost them both when I was very young. My father was forced back into the fighting, leaving his genetic mark upon me when I was born.

My mother was murdered when I was 11. But before that, she taught me the ways of the humans and the elves. I grew up knowing the cultures of both races. But it wasn’t an elf that had killed my mother. There were others: Dwarfs, and Raptors. It had always been a struggle between the four races. I don’t think it will ever stop. Not now, not ever.

This is my story. This is my life.

Okay, so first things first: What is this story about?

Originally Posted by Comartemis

It's too damn quiet in here. Time to stir things up a little.

Spoiler for The Cosmology of Comacanon:

The multiverse as we know it is composed of multiple levels of reality with their own distinct characteristics. These levels are referred to by those who know of them as 'planes'. Most of these planes are pulled from Dungeons and Dragons and modified for my own usage, so I'll summarize these here for those who aren't familiar with D&D.

The Inner Planes: The center of the multiverse, universes formed completely out of the building blocks of all creation. At the heart of these planes is a region of pure, unrestrained creative chaos, from which the multiverse was born out of the infinite Sea of Chaos. This spark has divided itself into two distinct planes, one of positive energy (which is aligned with creative energies and life) and one of negative energy (which is aligned with stagnation and entropy and is the home of naturally-occurring undead creatures). The other planes include the elemental planes of fire, earth, water and air. Those mortals born with elemental affinities are thought to have some sort of spiritual connection to one or more of the inner planes, with elements other than the basic six being created by combinations of multiple planar affinities, such as lightning, which is spawned from a connection to air and positive energy.

The Material Plane: The multiverse as we know it. Individual sub-planes (universes) are connected to each other by dimension space. The material plane consists of an infinitely huge ring of "solid" space around the Inner Planes. At the outer edge of this ring exist the Outer Planes, and universes close to the boundary between the material and outer planes tend to begin to resemble the outer planes in a sort of natural universal alignment. For instance, universes bordering one of the planes of Chaotic Evil will most likely be dystopias and chaotic war-torn universes like the world of Warhammer 40,000, while universes bordering the heavenly planes will be more likely to be utopias like Crystal Tokyo of Sailor Moon fame. Chaotic Neutral planes are more likely to spawn universes which resemble the netherworlds of Disgaea fame. One of these is Alexander's home universe; it is one of many universes which borders the realm of Acheron, the Eternal Battlefield, and its' people--including Alex--are a rather notorious Proud Warrior Race.

The Outer Planes: The home of beings of celestial and demonic origins, these planes exist outside the multiverse as we know it and have been separated from the material plane since the days of the Sankt Kaiser Vivian. The inhabitants of these planes--up to and including deities--are thus unable to interact with the material plane thanks to the Kaiser's desire to allow humans to live free of the machinations of gods and demons. While greater deities cannot enter the material plane at all, lesser beings and minions may be pulled through the barrier by foolhardy summoners. Usually these are demon summoners trying to make pacts with a lesser daemon, and the Saint Church makes a point of hunting down and stopping those who would compromise the barrier in this way, by lethal force if necessary.

So which 'plane' would you say the Dimsensional Sea is in? Ethereal?

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Wee… Well I’ve recovered my files after my run in with a nasty little virus so work and posting can now resume on a more normal schedule I think.

As I’ve said I find it hard enough to think up decent characters without having to the devices characters too. As such 99% of my Devices are basically just weapons with minimal AI that don’t talk much more then a modern fighter jet would. I’ll admit the “Device as Character” idea is interesting and has potential, but I’ve got enough stuff on my plate so I’m basically not going to get into that much.

Simply giving it an AI and not bothering with it beyond that could work at well. It has worked for Levantine and Eisen so far.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

You’re both late I was first. Actually I doubt that I’m sure it’s been come up before and I'm not even sure which of us was technically first.

The idea of a bow using Syn is relatively new, actually, so you were first. Though lately giving her no melee skills has been seriously bugging me, especially since me and my friends are scratching up on our fightin skills for the upcomming LARP. >_<

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I could have told you that.

Anyone who watches Gurren Lagann quickly understands.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

I'm acutally suprised we didn't see more bows earlier. I think Teana is probably to blame for that if she hadn't shown up with a magical gun I bet you'd have seen allot of OC bows instead.

Probably. I remember Signum creating a huge 'wha?' reaction, but since we never actually saw her use her bow again, it quickly dwindled in favor of Teana's guns

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Well one of my OC has a real Pole-Axe as one of the forms of his Swiss Army Pole weapon as noted above tranforming weapons are wonderful things. That said the blade on this particular Axe is absurdly large compared to reasltic weapon (think the sort of thing you see a D&D Barbian swinging around), but lol magical super strength!

If there is one thing we don't have to wory about in Nanoha, its realistically accurate weaponry.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Probably and this merely reinforces my own ideas about an electronic battle space in Nanoha. This in particular would be an example of defensive ECM most likely a form of signal cancellation or absorption. This is also why it’s good to have an EW specialist around he can counter this sort of thing and reinforce your own measures so YOU can get the drop on the enemy.

When typing that I "Tk is going to love this" did cross my mind.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

As for me I don't think GB'ing me would do anything if you did it you'd just end up with a really tall flat chested jerkass with disheveled hair and glasses probably the only difference is I'd have less stubble.

Uh-huh, well, genderbending Tk conjurs this image in my head:



You underestimate the power of genderbending.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

The Saint Church is more or less an open book for the time being, so I'm taking Kha's route and filling in the blanks for the purposes of Comacanon.

Also, an idea for a character associated with Alex, most likely as some sort of familiar:

Anybody here seen/read Negima? Remember Asuna Kagurazaka's abilities as a complete magic canceler? Anybody guessing where I'm going with this?

My proposal: a rare skill which largely prevents one from accessing most forms of magic, but enables that person to break apart magic spells by attacking the template the spells are built on. The character receiving this ability in Comacanon would have access to only the most basic D-rank spells, a single Reinforcement-type spell to give her Charles Atlas Superpowers, and incredible resistance to magic-based attacks (and a barrier jacket). Most likely this character would be a direct port of Asuna Kagurazaka, or at least implied to be somehow related to her. The canceling abilities can be limited to spells below a certain rank if the concept is haxxed as-is, but does anyone think it works the way it's currently set up?

Certain level would be a given (even Asuna isný immume to everything) by the looks of it elemental magic should still work. It can already pass through AMF in Nanoha, and Asuna herself was frozen solid by Eva too.

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

The infection is spreading!

Don't know how far though,, so far Marissa is the only character that manages to capture my interest.

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

...so you play as characters of the opposite gender and even have a...husband?

*RUNZ*

Been there, done that.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Nighty has returned. :3

Good to have you back.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Personally, I see Vivio potentially becoming somewhat closer to Fate in terms of natural persona, more shy and stuff, but emotionally closer to Nanoha's, being more passionately open. However, at her stage, I don't think she'll deviate much from her current cute personality.

I took her early shyness into concideration as to how she would progress, but the later episodes and chapters of the manga show no trace of that shyness, and Sound Stage 4 blew any last remaining doubt away. Track 11 has Nanoha and Vivio go to the Church school, and Vivio happilly bounds off to meet her new classmates, no trace of any shyness to be found. She pretty much abandonded the initiall insecure shy-moe shell over the course of the series.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

One question would be how much HOTBLOOD to inject in her. It's in the blood, and naturally being a future fighter, but the tone of it is important. I would think for her to be a little bit of an idiot in dire situations though. As for her magical abilities, I'd say marginal control over the Barrier and being a fast-learner is the best compensation she could have.

Yes, I was thinking that too.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Actually, no. Vivio was obviously extremely high priority. The incident where he attacked the GC was clearly already a violation and clear sign of betrayal towards Regius and the Council. If he failed to get Vivio then, a lot of his routes to getting Vivio again to awaken his no.1 insurance would've been cut off.

In the manga, before the attack, Jail says "if the opportunity presents itself, I would like them secured." although on a second readthrough, that could have been aimed at the securing of the Type-0 and Project F legacies.

Also, said chapter canonises your 'Jail is a creation of the Bureau' theory.

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

I'm glad that you enjoyed it thus far :3

And sure, I'll develop Syn in my own way then

Good to know.