2012-01-20, 21:50 | Link #2803 |
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So going by your reasoning, it means all merchandise showing Kira, Athrun, Shinn + random characters (without obligatory canon poses with whoever they are paired with at the moment) just side by side together have them in a very intimate relationship (this goes for all those spreads they do of other anime, showing just the male leads without their intended canon pairings)? Also, while we're in the discussion of SEED Nova, it must ALSO mean that Shinn wearing that Lacus cosplay must have also happened canonically by your logic. @ BladeEntity The only incident I recall where Kira and Lacus have shared the same beliefs was from the time Lacus (still mysteriously) cared for Kira in the PLANTs. Kira had always wanted to protect his friends to the best of his abilities even before he met Lacus. This was how Fllay nailed him to do her bidding - she knew which button to push (aside from the fact that this was also her revenge on Kira for getting her father killed despite his promise to her that he'd protect her father). This was what happened at the desert - he became her killing machine. Kira was gradually becoming doubtful of this strategy - killing people just so he could protect his friends, killing people to get peace from the enemies. What ideal did Lacus have anyway? Peaceful resolution masquerading through the use of force, and just another way to disguise manipulating Kira to do her bidding as well. Whatever way we put it, in SEED Destiny, Kira's intervention in that Orb VS Minerva war only did more harm than bringing good. Killing people manning the Tannhauser that exploded, disabling MS left and right - this could easily be explained away that Kira was in a war wherein he wasn't wanted, and that it was just his job as Lacus' sword in order to protect the peace Lacus supposedly secured for them at the end of SEED. But how different is this from Fllay's manipulation of Kira? Kira was in a war at that time too - he really couldn't help it if he had to mow people down to protect his friends - he was the only one (aside from Mwu) who could do it. At least Fllay apologized to him at the end. With Lacus' ideals, he just became a mindless drone shooting down MS just because it was threatening Lacus' peace.
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2012-01-20, 22:53 | Link #2805 |
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That would've been right, monstert... only if Lacus wasn't the reason why Kira was aggressive with ZAFT, the only reason they're not siding with it is because they suspected ZAFT of trying to kill Lacus...which Kira was pissed about after seeing Meer's broadcast.
The whole reason that Kira rejoined the war is because Lacus' life was threatened and here's where the inertia from Fllay's death works, Kira now believes that if he loses Lacus, he'd fail as a 'savior', this is where Kira's savior mentality comes in play. His wanting to save everybody, stems from his failure of getting Fllay back. Lacus may not realize it, but his relationship with her only affects him in the way that it validates him to be 'the savior' that he would've been for Fllay. Also, does the whole Angel bath scene not register through you? the whole scene reeks of Lacus prodding Cagalli to interfere.
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I know it takes time, but it's just monster now, no t at the end.
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I don't know why you can't see this difference. I have a feeling you have a broad definition of "using people." And if that's the case, then everybody must be using everybody else. So, whatever. Quote:
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But regarding Kira supporting Cagalli, I'm talking, of course, about fighting. Last edited by monster; 2012-01-20 at 23:43. |
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So you really think Lacus isn't intending Kira to fight for her? What purpose do the Freedom and Strike Freedom have if Kira's not going to use those suits to...do what else...fight for her? Will Lacus give him these suits if she really has no intention of having him fight for her? Really? Why give these suits at all? Isn't it basically saying the same thing? Quote:
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2012-01-21, 02:55 | Link #2814 |
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Im going to ignore plot, story, morals, ethics etc
When you give an individual the most powerful weapon/tool to force your/his/her/group/circle (hope you get my point) intentions unto opponents, you are no different then the other side(s) Your achieving your goals by force and force by nature is violence. If you dont want to use force then you wouldn't give an individual a weapon/tool to achieve goals by a destructive manner. So as the series progresses we can easily see that kira does indeed want to use force to reach his goals. |
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But really, it's not like any of the SEED/Destiny characters strictly adhere to extreme pacifism. Even Orb's ideals acknowledge the use of force as a means to keep their peace. |
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2012-01-21, 03:26 | Link #2816 |
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Problem i have with kira when using force is for the most part is on an emotional basis. Nothing wrong with that at all. Problem i have is that not thinking thru what would happen if he wishes to exercise is where i get frustrated. Possibly because my way of thinking as being a soldier is on a professional basis, emotional level is where things can bite you on the ass which was shown when AA forced ZAFT to hunt her down due to unwarranted interventions.
I could understand if kira was trying to defend his friends etc But in most instances AA has already provoked multiple factions during Destiny. Even tho i don't agree with the whole ORB staying neutral policies. (I saw this policy thrown out in destiny and im not going to argue with SEED) I can easily agree that not having a military to defend your nation is unwise. |
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2012-01-21, 04:46 | Link #2818 |
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Your 2nd point of you sentence is debatable from character reactions alone. My last post is in regards...
*Or rather, Kira's accepted that force is sometimes needed if he wants to protect his loved ones* Which i wanted to make myself clear in regards to destiny that kira is most cases is the offender not defender, which later on he is forced to defend his crew/friends/loved ones AFTER his actions forced/convinced ZAFT in this case to hunt AA down. Now i may have been confused if you ment *he wants to protect his loved ones* in terms of *interests* which I would understand your last reply clearer. Last edited by winter45; 2012-01-21 at 04:54. Reason: gramar |
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So you want Kira and Cagali just look and do nothing while entire Orb army get annihilation? |
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2012-01-21, 05:01 | Link #2820 |
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To your first question: yes 2nd question reply: Probably not the best person to ask if i want to see ORB fleet get annihilated there will be Neg reps, hate mails, hate pms if i answered that truthfully. |
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