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We are going to be critical of every character here. It's just what we do, but we do it equally. I'll even harsh on Nanoha, my own favorite character, when it is warranted. So yes, that means we'll harsh on Fate occasionally, too. You'll note Keroko's nuanced opinion above, which kinda mirrors my own (I like Fate, but I admit not as much as some other characters). For us, our opinions aren't simplistic. And if you can't take having your favorite character dissected in a conversation, and having negative things said about her, then you are in the wrong place. If you only ever want to hear praise, there are plenty of Nanoha forums out there that you no doubt know about. But we're not going to stop laying every character under the knife occasionally. My own comments, which you reposted, are used against Sansker to showcase why his arguments are flawed, because he makes arguments against some characters, but not against others. He brought the argument that a bunch of characters were bad, so I used an argument that Fate was bad. And your support of Sansker doesn't leave you much wiggle room for intelligent conversation in that regard. The man has claimed Chrono had his linker core drained, that limiters were because of a mage's ability to blow up time and space, and many other things that were blatantly, factually wrong. It's up to you as to whether you want to associate with someone so obviously wrong all the time, but it does reflect on you. |
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2013-02-19, 15:05 | Link #386 |
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Even chucking that one, there are plenty of others. He also didn't think there was any inter-unit squabbles or rivalry, either, when that formed one of the major basises for the conflict in StrikerS. And then we have his whole Graham argument, where he seems to think Graham didn't do much because he sits around. And that's just today!
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2013-02-19, 15:06 | Link #387 | |
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Or how about the Slayers anime? There's a character named Xellos there, he pops in from time to time, drops tidbits of information, then disappears, but, without him, Hellmaster's plan to lure out Gaav to kill him, and his plan to have Lina use the Giga Slave would not have happened, or later in the novels, without Xellos, Lina and Gourry would not have had their final show-down with Shabranigdo. Slayers Revolution, the most he did was drop some information, be annoying and curb-stomp the main characters effortlessly, but that was to move the plot forward. You don't NEED to have an over-active manipulator who's up in your face explaining their motivations completely to make them effective. Look up Xanatos Gambit sometime, Sansker.
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2013-02-19, 15:08 | Link #388 | |
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2013-02-19, 15:12 | Link #389 | |
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2013-02-19, 15:31 | Link #394 |
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And yes, he does things but you are missing how I am saying he is not essential to the overall plot. This is the details in execution and really can be change without losing much. Should be change? Not really but that is not the point.
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This cannot be done for Graham, as there won't just be one or two minor plotholes, the entire plot would collapse. Therefore, he is an essential character. Quote:
But then, she has never been "the" main character. Except maybe barring the second half of StrikerS. S1's main character was Fate. A's main character was Hayate. StrikerS main character was... Subaru, mostly. Though in the second half Nanoha claimed a critical role, whereas Subaru's role decreased to a more secondary one. |
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2013-02-19, 15:41 | Link #396 |
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No, and I insist there. Graham makes things work yes, but I do not see him as that essential and I think we better leave like this because this is getting us nowhere.
Also no, main character was Nanoha in the first season, A’s really lacks one to be fair Hayate like I said is more of a plot device and her role too secondary to be the main character and StrikerS also lacks a main character. Nanoha has being a side character in StrikerS, ViVid and Force really.
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2013-02-19, 15:42 | Link #397 | |
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You're taking your opinion and dressing it up as fact. You don't get to do that and then go "woah, okay, my opinion is true and all your facts are wrong, let's just leave it at that." when people call you out on it.
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2013-02-19, 15:46 | Link #398 |
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No, I say "I don't see him" which means I still hold my opinion to myself and you have not change my mind. Fact remains: Graham is still a part of the plot in A's, how much he is need in that? Open to our own conclusions.
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2013-02-19, 15:49 | Link #399 |
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Except that is one of the things you can objectively judge.
Take away Graham, and the entire A's plot falls apart. No Graham means no twins. No twins means no opponents to keep stopping Nanoha and Fate when they're about to stop things. The only way to fix this? Rewrite it. But at that stage you've admitted he's a critical character. |
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Your... OPINION! Keroko, myself, Justin and OTHERS have pointed out that Graham is needed for the plot. You said "I do not see him as that essential" THEREFORE! You are USING YOUR OPINION and dressing it up as fact when, it is, in fact, YOUR OPINION!
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