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risingstar3110 · 2012-01-19, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

^ Didn't Hitagi say in the first episode that Koyomi was stung by a bee, arc is named Karen Bee in between, and I think that Koyomi wakes (beginning of episode one) two days after talking with Tsukihi (second scene of episode one) or about 36 hours before the said meeting all the siblings... at least I think so, I am certain only about the arc's title

Talking about the arc tittle, i guess the reason which i liked Hachikuji's arc the most, was the fact that she was the snail. In oppose to Hitagi, who was granted wish by the crab, Kanbaru who under curse (and granted wishes) by the monkey, Nadeko who was cursed by the snake, and Hanekawa who was possessed by the cat.

If followed by that trend, the bee would be another abnormalities associating to Karen. Which is not gonna be so exciting

teja208 · 2012-01-19, 12:14

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Talking about the arc tittle, i guess the reason which i liked Hachikuji's arc the most, was the fact that she was the snail. In oppose to Hitagi, who was granted wish by the crab, Kanbaru who under curse (and granted wishes) by the monkey, Nadeko who was cursed by the snake, and Hanekawa who was possessed by the cat.

If followed by that trend, the bee would be another abnormalities associating to Karen. Which is not gonna be so exciting

So you prefer characters being one of the oddities themselves? I don't see how it can make story more exciting. I personally think that each are is unique regardless of whether characters are oddities or being tempered by them. Just curious.

risingstar3110 · 2012-01-19, 13:32

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Originally Posted by teja208

So you prefer characters being one of the oddities themselves? I don't see how it can make story more exciting. I personally think that each are is unique regardless of whether characters are oddities or being tempered by them. Just curious.

Not entirely, but maybe something a bit less obvious. I means for 2.5 episodes,we really thought (or supposed to think) that Hachikuji was also haunted/ cursed by a snail. Which makes the ending quite a twist.

So if the arc develops into: Araragi go out of his way to save his sister from a bee-like(or queen bee-like) abnormalities, then the two have some heart-warming sibling moment..... I don't think it will be wrong for audiences to call it "predictable". The episode itself may full of interesting or unique visuals and dialogues, but the overall plot not gonna be so

zeando · 2012-01-19, 15:44

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Originally Posted by monir

Any anime-only viewer left? What's your thought on the above?

the plot is moving, but in the background D:

i guess the call for karen was from tsukihi, that means she has found something or has completed the preparation for something, and i'm interested in what happened, but i can only hope to get a flashback about it =|
unless koyomi decides to move his narrator ass into where the action is happening

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Originally Posted by Airman8

We're only 2 episodes in, remember. It's way too early to say you're disappointed in the so-called lack of plot.

a little less than 1/5 has already passed, being it only 11 episodes

Demoned Away · 2012-01-20, 04:53

I really liked this episode's OP. That's about it, though.

teja208 · 2012-01-20, 07:15

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Not entirely, but maybe something a bit less obvious. I means for 2.5 episodes,we really thought (or supposed to think) that Hachikuji was also haunted/ cursed by a snail. Which makes the ending quite a twist.

So if the arc develops into: Araragi go out of his way to save his sister from a bee-like(or queen bee-like) abnormalities, then the two have some heart-warming sibling moment..... I don't think it will be wrong for audiences to call it "predictable". The episode itself may full of interesting or unique visuals and dialogues, but the overall plot not gonna be so

Now that you mentioned it...

Spoiler for Just in case it happens to be correct.:

I would LOL hard if that happens to be the case.

~Yami~ · 2012-01-20, 09:48

the first half is the best....
so Nadeko had that side as well.... seducing Araragi... hmm...

anyway, I miss Senjougahara... how can she let his boyfriend mess up with other girls so freely

still confused with this Karen Bee arc....

Malkuth · 2012-01-20, 09:53

^ Nadeko opened fire during the Tsubasa Cat arc, but yeah... the home visit was indeed total war... always considering her inexperience in warfare

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-01-20, 10:43

My god...can Nadeko get any cuter?

Wonder what Araragi's sisters truly are like...

Iron Maw · 2012-01-20, 15:32

So... um, what was this show about again?

Seriously, Bake has always been known to have quite a bit fanservice, but usually mixed well inbetween plot points and never nearly entire episode about it like this one. Compared Bake's first 2 episodes where general plot was established with large amount of character development already achieved and tightly paced episodes, almost nothing has happened here. There some hits on the direction of the arc, but most of it is entirely vague especially since the "Arc Character" Karen very little screentime. Dialogue wasn't as entertaining as usual since if focused too much on sexual humor instead of balancing it out with clever word play like normal. There's not much characterization expansion either like Mayoi in the previous episode.

Hopefully the next episode get things moving substantially otherwise I think we in for some pretty dragged out episodes leading to a weak second season.

I'll give the episode 7/10 instead of a 6 due the fantastic OP which ironically enough probably has more animation than most of the first season.

Malkuth · 2012-01-20, 15:55

@Iron_Maw: The same complains were voiced after the first episode of Mayoi's and Nadeko's arcs during Bakemonogatari's run... I say watch the whole arc and then throw anathemas at your heart's content.

Iron Maw · 2012-01-20, 16:52

Yeah, I don't plan giving up on this show so easily.

The series has earned a lot of goodwill with me after all. I'm just surprised we are in the 2nd episode of a one cour series like this with very little to go on. I wouldn't have mined as much if there a bit more setup going on. It's not as if this is a big "mystery" show here.

Archon_Wing · 2012-01-20, 19:35

Well, it's a story that seems to like taking twists and turns into seemingly irrelevant angles. But they usually are more important than one thinks initially, even if the presentation is wonky. Personally, I think something's up, and one episode this early shouldn't hinder one's enjoyment just yet. Unless the next episode is also like this but I doubt it.

If one made it to this season without too many issues, a little patience is definitely deserved. Even though I'm not a fan of the whole series and gutter voted this episode, I still feel confident in this show to deliver at this moment.

Grey · 2012-01-20, 19:50

Hahaha, oh man. I really can't get enough of this show's style. It's like every second clip runs on "What do you mean it's not awesome?"

I never thought much of Suruga in the first series but she was MVP this episode. That phonecall was hilarious.

Since it's Monogatari, I don't trust the bees in that OP at all.

Vexx · 2012-01-20, 20:32

These stories are like adventure games. Every clue and every object usually connects to something else.

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-01-20, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Compared Bake's first 2 episodes where general plot was established with large amount of character development already achieved and tightly paced episodes, almost nothing has happened here.

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Originally Posted by Iron Maw

I'm just surprised we are in the 2nd episode of a one cour series like this with very little to go on.

As I mentioned before, it's worth keeping in mind that the first season had five story arcs to cover in 15 episodes. This show has two story arcs to cover in 11 episodes. This particular story arc looks to be around five episodes long, which was the same as Tsubasa Cat, so you may want to consider the pacing there as a model of what to expect (which was not nearly so "tightly-paced" in terms of a singular focus and drive, but still impactful in the end due to the way everything came together).

sa547 · 2012-01-21, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Vexx

These stories are like adventure games. Every clue and every object usually connects to something else.

THIS.

The story only makes sense once you complete it in its entirety, absorbing in even what seems to be a very trivial detail.

klare · 2012-01-21, 10:05

been reading the explanations here about why so much seducing and sexual jokes, i understand it is due to the amount of material

however, sadly this means nise will not be as good as bake in anime, but still i will finish this

Karen seems to be weirder than expected

solomon · 2012-01-23, 11:55

Did any one else need to over haul the air conditioning to counteract the heat that Sengoku was in?

And Suruga..........near rape.....................(too bad she plays for the other team)

Shikijin · 2012-01-23, 12:37

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Originally Posted by solomon

Did any one else need to over haul the air conditioning to counteract the heat that Sengoku was in?

Don't! It's bad for the planet

(In the LN Sengoku actually told Araragi this when he protested how hot the room was

That's the reason why he ended up taking off his parka)

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2012-01-20, 10:43	Link #149
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	My god...can Nadeko get any cuter? Wonder what Araragi's sisters truly are like... __________________

2012-01-20, 20:32	Link #155
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	These stories are like adventure games. Every clue and every object usually connects to something else. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2012-01-21, 10:05	Link #158
klare Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	been reading the explanations here about why so much seducing and sexual jokes, i understand it is due to the amount of material however, sadly this means nise will not be as good as bake in anime, but still i will finish this Karen seems to be weirder than expected __________________

2012-01-20, 04:53	Link #145
Demoned Away Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indiana Age: 32	I really liked this episode's OP. That's about it, though.

2012-01-20, 09:48	Link #147
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	the first half is the best.... so Nadeko had that side as well.... seducing Araragi... hmm... anyway, I miss Senjougahara... how can she let his boyfriend mess up with other girls so freely still confused with this Karen Bee arc....

2012-01-20, 09:53	Link #148
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	^ Nadeko opened fire during the Tsubasa Cat arc, but yeah... the home visit was indeed total war... always considering her inexperience in warfare

2012-01-20, 15:32	Link #150
Iron Maw Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	So... um, what was this show about again? Seriously, Bake has always been known to have quite a bit fanservice, but usually mixed well inbetween plot points and never nearly entire episode about it like this one. Compared Bake's first 2 episodes where general plot was established with large amount of character development already achieved and tightly paced episodes, almost nothing has happened here. There some hits on the direction of the arc, but most of it is entirely vague especially since the "Arc Character" Karen very little screentime. Dialogue wasn't as entertaining as usual since if focused too much on sexual humor instead of balancing it out with clever word play like normal. There's not much characterization expansion either like Mayoi in the previous episode. Hopefully the next episode get things moving substantially otherwise I think we in for some pretty dragged out episodes leading to a weak second season. I'll give the episode 7/10 instead of a 6 due the fantastic OP which ironically enough probably has more animation than most of the first season.

2012-01-20, 15:55	Link #151
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	@Iron_Maw: The same complains were voiced after the first episode of Mayoi's and Nadeko's arcs during Bakemonogatari's run... I say watch the whole arc and then throw anathemas at your heart's content.

2012-01-20, 16:52	Link #152
Iron Maw Banned Join Date: Feb 2006	Yeah, I don't plan giving up on this show so easily. The series has earned a lot of goodwill with me after all. I'm just surprised we are in the 2nd episode of a one cour series like this with very little to go on. I wouldn't have mined as much if there a bit more setup going on. It's not as if this is a big "mystery" show here.

2012-01-20, 19:50	Link #154
Grey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Hahaha, oh man. I really can't get enough of this show's style. It's like every second clip runs on "What do you mean it's not awesome?" I never thought much of Suruga in the first series but she was MVP this episode. That phonecall was hilarious. Since it's Monogatari, I don't trust the bees in that OP at all.

2012-01-23, 11:55	Link #159
solomon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Suburban DC	Did any one else need to over haul the air conditioning to counteract the heat that Sengoku was in? And Suruga..........near rape.....................(too bad she plays for the other team)