Since we did speculate Graham biting the dust long before the season started I guess we all expected this to happen.... Still that puts to rest of Mahou Shounen Lyrical Graham...... Still have bad dreams regarding this.....
You do know I was talking about a prequel with shota Graham right...?
Anyway, it's off-topic. There's no proof Graham's dead, until clearly shown otherwise. Not like he'll have any genuine role in this story either.
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Graham's being showing his age ever since 4 years ago... Unlike Lindy, the staff members are bent on making him look as old as he should be... even the 3 Admirals look younger than him.
Burns, doesn't it?
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And while the speculations are nice...aren't we all missing bits of the prophecy? Mellow RG said that the full one goes...
Finally, the full thing...
"the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down"
"The dead shall dance" = The numbers that have been revived by Project F.
"The tower that lies within the middle earth" = Wasn't their headquarters a tall building? And middle earth... Mid-Childa
"following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink" = The Navy warships that sail the dimensions - the 'endless sea'.
So, how many people's going to prove me wrong ? THough brilliant isn't it? Ground forces would go first, then the Navy...
You do know I was talking about a prequel with shota Graham right...?
Anyway, it's off-topic. There's no proof Graham's dead, until clearly shown otherwise. Not like he'll have any genuine role in this story either.
But he's British , no offence to those who are also British.....
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"the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down"
"The dead shall dance" = The numbers that have been revived by Project F.
"The tower that lies within the middle earth" = Wasn't their headquarters a tall building? And middle earth... Mid-Childa
"following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink" = The Navy warships that sail the dimensions - the 'endless sea'.
So, how many people's going to prove me wrong ? THough brilliant isn't it? Ground forces would go first, then the Navy...
Line 1, 3 and 4 seems clear, unless Carim and our interpretations are completly off. but who are they refering to this the word "King". and what does that relates to Holy land....
~ tshouryuu
Nanoha's mother didn't die, and she was still on earth at that age.
Fate's *whispering voice* "Conichiwa" (or whatever it's spelled) is culprit here.
But I like your theory.
Still want to see that big old building go down.
The king might not be a person, but the hole of TSAB.
~ LoweGear
With the really low quality in RAWs I don't blame the slow subbing.
Even the best I've seen had some shaking in them. With rest artifact-hell.
I never said Nanoha's mother is dead. I said not available. If I recall correctly, Nanoha's mother was busy at their shop when the father was badly injured and in hospital and Nanoha herself said that she was alone for most of the time and had to take care of herself.
Line 1, 3 and 4 seems clear, unless Carim and our interpretations are completly off. but who are they refering to this the word "King". and what does that relates to Holy land....
"a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land"
King
I'm compelled to believe Vivio's the 'king' in this scenario because of what the Numbers called her.
Holy Land
"Holy Land"... Unless somebody can point to another place, I think Al Hazard, the land that could grant any wishes, counts as 'holy'.
Wings
At this point in time, I don't think they have revealed the "wings" of this scenario, but base on the previous two text, and the statements of random villians...
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1, Vivio is like a medium (The numbers called her the material). 2, Jail needs a summoner for something, that's where Lutecia comes in. 3,"revived from the holy land", they're going to summon/bring fore something from Al Hazard.
Conclusion: They're going to sacrificed Vivio to bring something LEET into this world...
... The "wings".
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*pant pant*
Okay, I've played the Conspiracy game, how do I fair?
How about posting your Chinese translation here? I believe there's a fair number of us here who also know the language (me inclusive), so someone else might be able to help further-translate it to English. And if not, at least more of us can get a better idea what the heck the actual moonspeak was about.
"a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land"
King
I'm compelled to believe Vivio's the 'king' in this scenario because of what the Numbers called her.
Holy Land
"Holy Land"... Unless somebody can point to another place, I think Al Hazard, the land that could grant any wishes, counts as 'holy'.
Wings
At this point in time, I don't think they have revealed the "wings" of this scenario, but base on the previous two text, and the statements of random villians...
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1, Vivio is like a medium (The numbers called her the material). 2, Jail needs a summoner for something, that's where Lutecia comes in. 3,"revived from the holy land", they're going to summon/bring fore something from Al Hazard.
Conclusion: They're going to sacrificed Vivio to bring something LEET into this world...
... The "wings".
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*pant pant*
Okay, I've played the Conspiracy game, how do I fair?
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brb, watching "24"
I do admit Vivio does seems to be likely to be related to "king" however my rational self says the cute loli will never die .
To add a cat amongst pigeons, maybe instead of Jail, maybe someone from TSAB hint hint kills Vivio for some evil goals triggering the Aces goes on the path of destruction....
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@Draco_emp:
How about posting your Chinese translation here? I believe there's a fair number of us here who also know the language (me inclusive), so someone else might be able to help further-translate it to English. And if not, at least more of us can get a better idea what the heck the actual moonspeak was about.
A humble suggestion .
Good idea I was just about to send Chaos a copy for his option on what is closer to the orginal text....
Okay... so we learn more about Vivio, that Erio's not ready to be straight w/Caro about his past yet (who would?), and MORE FORESHADOWING
Spoiler for Carim's Revelation:
So far the biggest revelation of not just the ep, but the StrikerS series in general. It goes to the tune of "A King will perish, a Tower will fall, and a Ship will sink." Okay, time to break it down.
A King will Perish: There is a good amount of speculation that this refers to Hayate, and that she is the addressee of the line. However, I find this unlikely. In order to even get close to Hayate, they'd have to, at the very least, go through Rein and all four Wolkenritter, then take on Hayate herself. So, unless they're planning on killing her in one of those ignominious kinds of death, she's relatively safe.
Others, however, are not so well guarded. My guess is that King is reference to the position of the line's subject - someone in a very high position of power. There are at least six people that we can think of in that sort of position: Chrono, Lindy, the Legendary Three Admirals, and Carim herself.
Analysis of "King" likelihood:
Note: My guess as to the purpose of the "King" is to inspire MD6 to action; the death triggers the warpath response - we won't stop fighting until the fight is done. (See TV Tropes Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night to understand my thinking)
Chrono: Possible.
Why Yes: While he has had some screentime within the series, it's not been much considering that this first half as primarily dealt with training the rookies and the bureaucracy of TSAB. And while he IS an admiral, it's made evidently clear in 1st season that he is not as magically powerful as Nanoha or Fate (and therefore Hayate as well), and that means he'd be more likely to die in a straight up slugfest. Plus, he's an Admiral, and while he may not be as influential as the Legendary Three, he still wields considerable power within TSAB. Our ultimate villains (more on that later), if within TSAB, could see him as a potential threat and decide to have him eliminated. The fact that Chrono's now a family man doesn't make him immune; it would make his death more shocking a la FMA's Hughes.
Why No: On the other hand, Chrono's been an integral part of the series since the first season; killing him would inspire MD6 to action, but it would deprive the series of one of it's prime male leads, and cause all sorts of problems down the road unless they killed him like X's Sorata - right at the tail end. Plus, if TSAB's corrupt, it's going to need movers and shakers to clean up afterwards - and Chrono'd be a prime candidate.
Final Verdict: I think for the most part, Chrono's safe as long as he keeps himself away from the fighting - the fact that it'd cause several problems is an excellent deterrent.
Lindy: Somewhat Probable.
Why: Lindy's role in the series is really pretty much over - she's not even listed in the cast. But killing her would be a way to achieve substantial impact without the problems of dealing with one of the active characters - Lindy's been like a mother or aunt to a great deal of the cast, and that'd give the necessary impact.
Verdict: If she ever gets brought up within the series, or Earth does in reference to her, she's probably a goner. If she remains as invisible as she has been, however, she's safe.
The Legendary Three: No Way on two, Quite Possible on the other
Why: The only LegenThree Adm. vulnerable would be "Grandma" - it's her relationship with Hayate and MD6 that makes her a target. However, she IS legendary - it'd be a stretch for even one of her former comrades to take her out - assassination anyone?
Verdict: "Grandma"'s got a 50:50 chance of survival, just like Lindy.
Carim: Possible.
Why: Carim's played a major role in this series - she's MD6's connection to the Saint Church, and she's had a good amount of screen time. What puts her at risk, however, is her ability to see the future - the villains could see that as a threat and decide to take her out. Like Chrono, however, she'll be needed if TSAB's corrupt and needs cleaning up postseries.
Verdict: Carim's the dark horse candidate in all this - the long shot.
Final Verdict As to the "King:" The most likely choices right now are Chrono and "Grandma," with "Grandma" edging out only because of the problem's Chrono's death would cause.
A Tower Will Fall: The Tower has always been the place of sanctuary; it falling will mean that someone no longer has a place to stay.
What is the Tower?: In all likelihood, MD6's HQ. It's the place that we've come to know and love - and its loss means that MD6 is on the run, with no place to go.
A Ship Will Sink: This is probably in connection to the Tower; after the fall of MD6's HQ, they'll move to one of TSAB's ships for home. That ship will probably be used near the very end to accomplish some major objective a la Starcraft's Tassadar aboard the Gantrithor.
WHO ARE THE ENEMY?!: There are currently three parties who could be considered the true enemy: Scaglietti and the Numbers, the Client, or corrupt parts of TSAB.
You mean it's not Lutecia?: No. Lutecia has made it evidently clear that she's like a pirate; only in it for what she can get out of it. As the Mafia say, it's nothing personal; just business.
Scaglietti & the Numbers: They're similar to A's Wolkenritter; just here because they've got a job to do. They're the ones MD6 will end up fighting the most, but they're not the true villains, just the "enforcers."
The Client: No two ways about it - the Client is definitely the ultimate villain in this series. The question remains, though, who is the Client?
Is it TSAB?: Quite possibly. Our airhead Adm. and his secretary seem awfully hateful of Hayate and MD6 - but past experience has taught me that 8/10 times, the asshole is simply an asshole and nothing more. But there could be other factions within TSAB at work.
In Short: The Client is the One True Enemy, but we've no idea as to who that is at this point.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
After reading all the posts in this thread so far, seems like the plot for StrikerS has really gotten thick...and when I mean thick, its really gotten to a point where we might lose a memorable character by the end of this show, unless it is averted some how...
Haven't seen the RAW yet, but hoping to see it soon, and Carim's prophecy is something that is out of the blue...we get a big fight, and after that, we get a prophecy thats sure to put everyone in paranoia mode again.(the first paranoia mode was about Nanoha's injuries and health issues throughout the first half of this season)
hmmm, the terms, "King","Tower",and "ship"...vague? YES, but enough to make a lot of assumptions and speculations until we get an answer...
BTW, it was mentioned that Hayate was acting a bit strange in this episode...hmmm...
As for Agito... IF Thisguy doesn't change his script, it would be that she's a "Genuine Ancient Velka Unison Device" but was being treated as if a replica.
Hmm...
I rather thought that Zest meant something like a "recently-made Unison Device" with the word "Replica", not how researchers treated her.
But well, misinterpletion is what this whole thread is about anyway, which could go to both you and me
Oh thanks, you spared my time looking for transcript through 2ch.
Here's my attempt at it... upside is it's not bypassing Chinese, downside is my hopeless engrishness.
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In the land where the Ancient Crystal (Jewel?) and Infinite Desire crosses,
Under the Deceased King, the Wing will be revived from the Holy Land.
Deceaseds dance, the Tower of Law in the Central Ground (Central World?) collapses in vain.
Followed by that, the Ship of Law that protects the countless sea will be broken apart.
Carim interpleted it as "An incident occurs with influence of a LL (Relic?), which will result in destruction of TSAB Ground Center followed by destruction of TSAB Navy".
Hmm... even in original language, there're so many way to interplet it so that I don't know what to say
I do admit Vivio does seems to be likely to be related to "king" however my rational self says the cute loli will never die .
To add a cat amongst pigeons, maybe instead of Jail, maybe someone from TSAB hint hint kills Vivio for some evil goals triggering the Aces goes on the path of destruction....
She doesn't have to die, the "wings" could be something that can't manifest into this world without a host.
And what better host than one than could shrug off an S ranked attack?
And I'm not afraid of cats (the animal) , unless you have a better person in mind to counter my theory, Jail or his Client would be the most likely suspects base on their statements...
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And sorry, I still haven't get that Language pack up yet
And I'm not afraid of cats (the animal) , unless you have a better person in mind to counter my theory, Jail or his Client would be the most likely suspects base on their statements...
Since Nanoha is full of expected twist and turns why not add the three admirals to the ever increasing paranomia list
Now you're just trying too hard Randomly tossing in people isn't going to help your case
There is a precedence regarding old man pulling the strings behind the scenes, look no further then Graham, who says its not possilbe for this to happen as well .
There is a precedence regarding old man pulling the strings behind the scenes, look no further then Graham, who says its not possilbe for this to happen as well .
We have a prophecy with a 100% possibility of being set in motion.
Of which, it would always fulfilled it's Requirement to set things in motion.
So unless one or all of them is/are the cilent, which we have no way of knowing just yet, Jail is the main man that you should look at since he's the only one trying to gather all the pieces of the puzzle.
Though it's uncertain if the client knows about this.
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It might be possible, but at this time, it's not probable.
There is a precedence regarding old man pulling the strings behind the scenes, look no further then Graham, who says its not possilbe for this to happen as well .
"King" = TSAB, the one place where all mages are pointed out their specific tasks.
"Tower" = Scaglietti's hideout, we still don't know how it looks like, unless its underground, with a "Tower" sticking out of the ground above it.
"Ship" = Friendships will be broken? also meaning shot down?
anyways, when was it right to all of a sudden, pull out a prophecy led by Carim...we all thought before that the Chruch may also be in this whole "guess the Client" game...hmm...
"King" = TSAB, the one place where all mages are pointed out their specific tasks.
"Tower" = Scaglietti's hideout, we still don't know how it looks like, unless its underground, with a "Tower" sticking out of the ground above it.
"Ship" = Friendships will be broken? also meaning shot down?
anyways, when was it right to all of a sudden, pull out a prophecy led by Carim...we all thought before that the Chruch may also be in this whole "guess the Client" game...hmm...
No no~ You can't do that.
The prophecy isn't just single words, there are sentences.
On their own, the words 'King', 'Tower' and 'ships' could mean anything, but you have to look at how they were used in the sentences.
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a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land
the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down
following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink
"King" = TSAB, the one place where all mages are pointed out their specific tasks.
"Tower" = Scaglietti's hideout, we still don't know how it looks like, unless its underground, with a "Tower" sticking out of the ground above it.
"Ship" = Friendships will be broken? also meaning shot down?
anyways, when was it right to all of a sudden, pull out a prophecy led by Carim...we all thought before that the Chruch may also be in this whole "guess the Client" game...hmm...
That is a interesting way of looking at the prophecy, but for some reason I don't think it adds up .
The Chruch is not out of the woods yet. at this point any thing that moves is a suspect....
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