Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[console65]

Did someone count how many GN-Xs got turned into scrap metal?

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

@Owaranai Destiny: You would think so, but there are some who I know have to much at stake to be fair and open minded about the series to the point where a good episode could make them say anything good about the series (None of them are here really, just some bloggers).

Damn, you are right. The more I think about it, the phrase "Stubborn as a mule" can actually be used here. But that's my opinion, and whatever affects theirs (whatever silly things they might be) is not too much of my business.

Originally Posted by angel_wing0

This ep cannot be rated less than 99%. NO WAY.

Doubt it. There are probably already one or two people here who will do some nice *little* nitpicking about anything that comes to their mind-The way the battle was fought (while it is possible for certain things to happen in a linear way, it isn't exactly exciting or fresh), the realism of the deaths...You name it.

I doubt, though, that the full impact of Lockon's death has sunk in to the Ptolemaios crew. There will probably be a bit of mourning in the next episode (not to the point of overdoing it, hopefully), but more importantly I want to see whether his death can bring about more positive effects to the teamwork for the Meisters as well.

Setsuna's definitely going to be FRICKIN' pissed.

[Pink-chan]

How about Tieria/Setsuna (tag team) VS Ali? Why will Tieria chewed on Setsuna, did he caused Lockon's death? I haven't watch the episode yet. He must had said something to piss Tieria off.
Ali is sick, how many more can he kill before he got killed? Damn.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by LuMiZu

True. When that epic battle takes place, I'll be cheering all the way for the meisters to take revenge for Lockon (Plus Kinue).



IF Ali survives through season 1, then maybe someone is destined to finish it for the family *hint*

Remember what Setsuna said back in Ep19;

He doesn't care if he dies, as long as someone else will take over his duty.

Should Ali survive, Setsuna will probably take on Lockon's duty to avenge his family.

[Coffee]

Wow what a really intense ep, can't wait to watch it with subs so wish I could understand the dialog between lockon and ali .

Though I cant say Lockon was my favourite character I did like the way he exited the stage. As for Dynames I'm going with the notion that it will be out of action for the remainder of the eps but we might see it again in s2.

Lots of action 10/10

On another note where the heck has Graham been ?. I hope they dont just hold him back till the last ep only to have him die in the same ep

[Demongod86]

Lockon...DEAD? When he probably has the biggest fanbase in all of G00 among the Gundam pilots? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Mwu: Supposed to be dead. Fanbase too great. More money can be milked by keeping him alive flying new shiny gundams. *REVIVEDED!*

Zechs: Hey, there are so many drooling fangirls over him and so many people like this bishy anti-hero! And we can milk him for more money with Tallgeese III sales! *REVIVEDED*

Lockon: Hey, he's the only one that provides a sense of normalcy and comic relief to those screwed up Meisters! Plus, we can give him a new Gundam in S2! *REVIVEDED*

When you realize that anime (ESPECIALLY GUNDAM) is a giant marketing tool, then where there's money to be made, there are characters to bring back. Who cares if that "gar farewell scene" only lasted for one season's break rather than forever? Frankly, I will be highly disappointed...HIGHLY disappointed if Mizushima actually kills Lockon. Who's going to be that niceguy among the Meisters now? Will Nena be the little cheerleader trying to get everyone in a joyous mood with her extreme extroversion? Funny. Maybe Al will try to step in Lockon's shoes? Nope.

Oh, and as for grunts being good...

Giant beam blast of doom > grunts. Always. So says Virtue's Trans-Am. Sure, it's still a sad excuse of a wannabe of Wing Zero. But at least it gives credence to my opinion that it's not the grunts that are so damn good--it's the meisters that simply don't have enough death blasting weaponry and skill to make the grunts look like the grunts in other non-UC shows.

[Pink-chan]

Since no bodies is seen (who cares about anyone being blown into nothing), there is chances of revival. Lockon may be back ... in mask (pulling a Mwu La Fraga). We still have "Lockoff"

Yeah, he does have a large fanbase as he is the most human.

[Demongod86]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

Since no bodies is seen (who cares about anyone being blown into nothing), there is chances of revival. Lockon may be back ... in mask (pulling a Mwu La Fraga). We still have "Lockoff"

Yeah, he does have a large fanbase as he is the most human.

That's riiiight...we haven't seen a MASKED MAN yet! Though isn't the masked man always blonde, so wouldn't that go to graham?

[angel_wing0]

..how come lockon didnt use trans-am to battle ali?! oh come on just realized that...

[itis]

There is always Lockon's twin brother to keep the fangirls/fanboys happy.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Joachim

i for one would really hate they do bring lockon back after that cool farewell, but hey this is anime, don't trust anything before they show you someone really kick the dust (death scene) sure lockon flying around the space and he is really near that explosion site almost mean certain death... but i'll hold my breath, and if they do bring back lockon... i would have to say..

what a waste of goddamn gar farewell scene...

it would be a goddammn waste of a gar farewell if Ali lives, that'll just be akin to pissing on his dead body.

Ali has to die, if he comes back, then yes, Lockon, bloody well come back to drag him down to hell.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by Demongod86

That's riiiight...we haven't seen a MASKED MAN yet! Though isn't the masked man always blonde, so wouldn't that go to graham?

Well, it's always good to have some change. Masked Lockon VS unmasked "Lockoff"

[Sir Dearka]

I really don't see the point of reviving Lockon if they want to keep the series good. I'll be seriously disappointed if they did. It'd mean that they are again ready to screw everything up because of the fansbases. Most of the things that disappointed me in Destiny probably derived from the producers' will to please the fans. But... what if the producers are wrong and the there are many fans like me who "love to be hurt" by the plot?

[Demongod86]

Originally Posted by Pink-chan

Well, it's always good to have some change. Masked Lockon VS unmasked "Lockoff"

Except Lockon's too nice of a guy to go on some sort of revenge spree. Just like Kira, Athrun, and shit, even Heero Yuy were too nice to start going WAAAH THE WORLD SUX IMMA KILL SHIT.

[U<3Anime]

Originally Posted by angel_wing0

..how come lockon didnt use trans-am to battle ali?! oh come on just realized that...

I wondered as well.

[ukoziak]

Originally Posted by angel_wing0

..how come lockon didnt use trans-am to battle ali?! oh come on just realized that...

I was wondering about that too, but everyone just ignored me. (It happens to me a lot.)

But I'm assuming his Gundam was damaged, either during the battle or in the last battle, so he couldn't make use of the Trans-AM system.

Might be wise to rewatch this series again with fansubs. My Japanese is still too limited.

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by U<3Anime

I wondered as well.

I guess that will only be used when someone took over Dynames. If not, how to impress the fans of Dynames as the one who takes over will be shunned by the fans initially.

[NeonZ]

Giant beam blast of doom > grunts. Always. So says Virtue's Trans-Am. Sure, it's still a sad excuse of a wannabe of Wing Zero. But at least it gives credence to my opinion that it's not the grunts that are so damn good--it's the meisters that simply don't have enough death blasting weaponry and skill to make the grunts look like the grunts in other non-UC shows.

It was a surprise attack, but only got a few. If this were SEED or Wing, every grunt would have been killed by the first 3 giant beams, before Trans-Am...

[Sir Dearka]

Originally Posted by NeonZ

It was a surprise attack, but only got a few. If this were SEED or Wing, every grunt would have been killed by the first 3 giant beams, before Trans-Am...

Not only SEED or Wing. I can still remember the Hyaku Shiki cannon or the maneuver Gato pulled out in order to wipe out a couple of Federation fleets.

[LightningZERO]

I really hope Lockon kills Ali as well, but then again, I want to see Setsuna rips him apart too...