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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2009-09-29, 19:34 | Link #1521 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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One of my friends put it best, Frontier suffers from being unable to find its own niche within the Macross franchise. It's a pain to watch because you have series in the franchise that exemplify both ends of the focus spectrum (SDF Macross for Story, Macross 7 for Characters/Interaction) and even one that manages to do both extremely well (Mac+). Seeing the characters and story handled so haphazardly is frustrating. I kind of agree with the assessment that someone said earlier about Alto being a sort of VN protagonist. I agree in the sense that he's a character that lacks any sort of impact and particularly meaningful growth. It really doesn't work because as the focus of a show, a main character without the presence drags it down. The main character usually is also the basis to build the other characters on working to weave the individual stories and challenges together. So in that regard, I think Alto is perhaps the weak link of the show (though that doesn't change my hatred for Ranka). Then there's the story, but oh well. |
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2009-09-29, 19:46 | Link #1524 | |
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As for Frontier spoiling people about animation and the like, I still enjoy many shows from the 80's and 90's. I find the newest generation is usually the ones who have problems watching older(and in many ways superior) shows because of the antiquated style and animation.
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2009-09-29, 19:47 | Link #1525 | |
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hamburg, Germany
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ALL HAIL HER MAJESTY! I quite vehemently disagree. I lined out on the last page as to the particulars.
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2009-09-29, 19:50 | Link #1526 |
A blast from the past
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Fortaleza-CE, Brazil
Age: 46
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Oops, forgot to answer this one: there's always KIDDY GiRL-AND, dude. Two out of three ain't that bad, eh? And, oh, there's that Satelight studio, again... they sure do get around...
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2009-09-29, 20:23 | Link #1530 |
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Join Date: May 2009
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I dunno, I was well-pleased with the result, on pretty much every front. Macross shows are usually not very deep or thoughtful or realistic...they're just interesting, a hell of a lot of fun, and sometimes have the power to move the viewer (in this case, me) deeply (generally when a character I like dies, or goes through some kind of heartbreak).
I can also think of no other title in anime that has the power to turn big, manly, mecha-loving guy's guys into gossipy matchmaking schoolgirls. I think people who like Macross but complain about Frontier, though, are perhaps looking at it the wrong way. Like it or not, Frontier was a huge smash success...and a rising tide lifts all boats. Macross Chronicle! Macross Ace! A VF-1 Technical Manual! Yoko Kanno concerts! Macross crossover singles! A NEW FIRE BOMBER ALBUM!! None of this would've been possible without Frontier. And so, while it's not exactly the most intellectually rigorous thing to do, I'm willing to give Frontier a pass on most of its faults. All I know is that I was hooked on it while it was running, following it week by week; I've watched the whole series several times since then, and had a blast each time; and I certainly wouldn't have started my "Complete Macross Translation Project" if Frontier hadn't really captured my heart. It's not perfect, but I like it a lot, and I imagine it's something I'll rewatch often as the years go on. |
2009-09-30, 19:52 | Link #1531 |
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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I'm not sure that I follow the earlier discussion on characterization. As I understand it, characterization has to do with the descriptive quality of the work, in terms of painting a picture about a given character. Impact, by contrast, is much more personal; you can find a character to be utterly unremarkable without it being a reflection on his/her characterization.
In Alto's case, while he isn't particularily exciting to watch as some of his fellow cast members, he certainly is as, if not more, detailed as the rest. With regards to Sheryl, I don't think that her character development was focused around her aspirations; her belief in herself was strong from the outset. The real challenge that she faced was in learning to open up to and trust others, which is why her storyline in the second half is more focused on her interpersonal development than on her individual development. In that sense, you could say that Ranka and Sheryl's character development take complimentary paths. |
2009-09-30, 20:09 | Link #1532 | |
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Join Date: May 2009
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Good observation. |
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2009-10-23, 02:21 | Link #1535 |
Ushio... omochikaeri!!!
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North Carolina, US
Age: 36
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All in all, I thought this was a good ending to the show, although I can't say that I liked the fact that the love triangle was not resolved and left open... and why isn't there a season 2 or a Macross *insert new name here* to continue the story?!
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2009-10-23, 02:24 | Link #1536 |
cho~ kakkoii
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: 3rd Planet
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Two complimentary movies that apparently intend to follow up on the story, or to tell a different story by depending on the same premises are scheduled for November 2009 and sometime in 2010. Stay tuned. While you are at it, check out the Macross Movie thread.
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2009-10-23, 02:29 | Link #1537 |
Ushio... omochikaeri!!!
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North Carolina, US
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Really? Sweet! Thank you for that information! I will definitely go check it out. Another thing I want to add about this episode is that the final battle is EPIC. Final battle + the song medley = awesomeness.
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2009-10-23, 02:34 | Link #1538 | |
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Don't even get me started on the unresolved love triangle.
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2009-10-23, 02:44 | Link #1539 | |
Ushio... omochikaeri!!!
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2009-10-23, 03:56 | Link #1540 |
Alto x Ranka :)
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New York City
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Really? That final battle was great is my opinion To me, it wasn't so much that it was rushed, just really fast paced while the medley backed it up. The medley was also great for me, although I gotta agree that the loose ends were tied up way too easily/conveniently.
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