[Manga] Spoilers & Speculation for experienced Naruto Anime-fans!

[monir]

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[ellifeedn]

I don't know if there is already a thread that deals with theories, but if there is one, could you put this there?

Anyway, I have thought up two different ideas that could happen, but they are doubtful.

One, Orochimaru has a cursed seal himself, which would be considered the original cursed seal. This seal is special because it is the source of all the cursed seals as every cursed seal he gives people are just a copy of a fraction of the full power of this seal and it is inside him so that it cannot be affected by outside influences. My imagination has gone further to say that he got it from that 8-tailed snake demon, but that's all I'll put in the post.

Two, Orochimaru, in a desprate situation, will have his mind and soul sealed in the body of a baby like a tailed-demon, but not confined like them. By doing this, Orochimaru can control the body at will and use it however he wants to whenever he wants to and for however long he decides to stay in it. Of course, this is improbable and may be too dark for this series, but who knows.

[MysticNinjaJay]

Here are some new ARC predictions:

• The next arc will elaborate on Orochimaru's relationship with Akatsuki
  
• Deidara and Tobi will be the next Akatsuki to fight. (Deidara will seek vengance on Kakashi).
  
• Naruto and Sasuke will cross paths again due to both parties getting involved with Akatsuki affairs.
  
• We will learn a bit more about what Kyuubi meant by the Uchiha bloodline being cursed and who Uchiha Madara is.
  
• Itachi will hint at having an ulterior agenda to that of the leader
  
• Kabuto will once again show signs of betrayl but again prove his loyalty (for now).
  
• Sasuke will show more Uchiha powers that keep Naruto inspired to keep up
  
• We will see Team Gai play a stronger role as Team Asuma did at the end of this arc.
  
• Gai-sensei will act like GAI-SENSEI!

[Tomislav]

Originally Posted by ellifeedn

One, Orochimaru has a cursed seal himself, which would be considered the original cursed seal. This seal is special because it is the source of all the cursed seals as every cursed seal he gives people are just a copy of a fraction of the full power of this seal and it is inside him so that it cannot be affected by outside influences. My imagination has gone further to say that he got it from that 8-tailed snake demon, but that's all I'll put in the post.

Two, Orochimaru, in a desprate situation, will have his mind and soul sealed in the body of a baby like a tailed-demon, but not confined like them. By doing this, Orochimaru can control the body at will and use it however he wants to whenever he wants to and for however long he decides to stay in it. Of course, this is improbable and may be too dark for this series, but who knows.

About the first one, if things are so, then if one receives the seal should be able to give the seal to another person, but it is not the case, since only Oro is giving the seal around. So my opinion is that this curse seal no jutsu is just one of the forbidden techniques Oro studied. Moreover, the seal works like a preselective tool for the bodies Oro uses to keep himself in good shape: if you can stand the seal, than you might be a suitable candidate for Oro's soul (admitting he has one ). Besides, don't forget that Oro can practice several kinds of cursed seal.

About the second one, Oro should be able to put himself in the body of a kid, but why? The body of a kid can't probably stand the techniques he practices... In fact, he uses to wait until a certain point, and then take possession of the body.

Now, my turn.

I read here and there that Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru.

Now I didn't find any evidence of this: I only found a line where Orochimaru says like "Oh, i thought I would use Itachi's body and move my soul in it, but eventually he became too strong for this".

What I understood is that Itachi became too strong to be used as a host for Oro's soul, but this does not necessarily mean that Itachi is on the whole stronger than Orochimaru, with evidence that Oro can't practice on him the forbidden tecnique anymore. Is this correct, or am I missing something?

[Rurik]

As I read Sai has already been introduced in the part where he is aiding Team 7 against Sasuke, remember that his character evolved from been a mysterious character with a secret agenda.

Showing him know Adding Team 7, will only take away a little suspense IMO.

[vhx]

Spoiler for Uchiha Madara:

Is still a mysterious character. Don't know his whereabouts, if he's alive, how old he is, or anything else. Only know that he was the first Uchicha to achieve Mangekyo Sharingan. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was the head of Akatsuki TBH.

I am disappointed there hasn't been more time focusing on the other powerful teams like Lee, Neji, Hinata, Kiba, Shino, and others which hopefully changes soon. Seemed like Choji and Ino even got jipped on their 'battle time.'

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by Rurik

As I read Sai has already been introduced in the part where he is aiding Team 7 against Sasuke, remember that his character evolved from been a mysterious character with a secret agenda.

Showing him know Adding Team 7, will only take away a little suspense IMO.

Not really the anime didn't show anything about Team 7's state of mind about him.
Scene like Sakura almost agressing him or Sai catching Sasuke's wrist weren't showed.



vhx we don't know anything about Madara.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by Hunter

Not really the anime didn't show anything about Team 7's state of mind about him.
Scene like Sakura almost agressing him or Sai catching Sasuke's wrist weren't showed.

So we can say that he just was shown and thats all...O..I need to get my hands on that Episode.

[vhx]

Originally Posted by Hunter

vhx we don't know anything about Madara.

IIRC We know that there was someone before Itachi that achieved Mangekyo. I think it's pretty safe to assume that if it was long ago and the Kyubi knows of him, it was Madara. I mean, how many important Uchiha's could there be if 'all' are dead?

[Sinaura]

I want to see The AL put his money where his mouth is and send someone to kill Orochimaru. Maybe since Deidra is still around, the AL will send him and we'll see Sasuke's ability against Akatsuki.

[MysticNinjaJay]

I don't think the Akatsuki leader is Uchiha Madara, or even an Uchiha period, because when Kisame and Itachi encountered Sasuke in the hall way Kisame was surprised to see another Uchiha as he had heard that the Uchiha were massacred and that Itachi was the one who killed them.

Since the Akatsuki know each other fairly well he would not have said that if he knew atleast one more to be living.

I think Madara is a legendary Uchiha who has some sort of connection to Kyuubi which in turn has a connection to the "real purpose" that Sharingan serves, which was revealed to Sasuke when he went to the secret Uchiha meeting place Itachi told him about.

I'm interested in knowing how the Uchiha bloodline became cursed and what it has to do with Kyuubi.

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by vhx

IIRC We know that there was someone before Itachi that achieved Mangekyo. I think it's pretty safe to assume that if it was long ago and the Kyubi knows of him, it was Madara. I mean, how many important Uchiha's could there be if 'all' are dead?

We know that a few Uchiha in the past managed to obtain the MS, not just one.

[gibits]

Uchiha Madara is........

Spoiler:

Sai

I think now would be a good time to start a Sasuke arc, his time is almost up to be Oro's new "container". Naruto got his chance to shine now its Sasuke's turn.

[Hunter]

A little arc with Oro, Kabuto and Sasuke as main protagonist while Naruto finishes his training would be great but we didn't see much of Naruto during the arc.
It would be weird to let the main character out of the spots so long.

[vhx]

Originally Posted by gibits

Uchiha Madara is........

Spoiler:

Sai

Haha that would definately be interesting.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

I still dont understand Orochimaru's mission...i dont understand the logic behind it. Can someone explain this?

Spoiler for Manga Questions:

- Is he making Sasuke's body stronger to obtain it once he is satisfied?
(This seems logical)

- Is he trying to make Sasuke himself stronger to defeat Itachi and then taking over a stronger person then himself? A sort of agreement?
(This would be weird) [Sasuke is still a softy...said Oro..]

- Even if he takes Sasuke's body....isnt his body gonna reject him after 2-3 years??
(This has happened every time so far...)

- Isnt it possible to revive other Uchiha's (he claimed he could revive Tsunade's loved ones and revived the 1st & 2nd Hokage) and take their body??
(Still dont know why he hasnt done this yet....he has kidnapped so many people and taken over other bodies..)

Spoiler for my predictions:

Well i think Akatsuki will start to get impatient and a bit chaotic because another member died and/or lost within such a short time. Not only that it was Konoha again.

Akatsuki will launch an attack on Konoha (those Clone Kage Bunshins 30%). To take Naruto. Konoha forces will lose (because of that leader) and then Team Orochimaru is going to appear. Being aware that they would never attack in real forms like this.

Sasuke fighting Itachi to show his progress...
And the rest of the (konoha) backup forces defeating the clones...

Those are my predictions so far...

[gibits]

My pet theory as to why Oro is training Sasuke is:
1) to keep him around. Oro needs time to do his body snatch jutsu, till then he has to keep Sasuke happy

2)to make Sasuke use the CS more and increase his hold on Sasuke. It was said that the more u use it the less free-will u have.

[Zu Ra]

They have incoperated this shonen spread nicely into ep1/2 chptr 332 ( Naruto Comaprision ). Any idea what was the contest regarding ?

[MysticNinjaJay]

Originally Posted by gibits

Uchiha Madara is........

Spoiler:

Sai

I think now would be a good time to start a Sasuke arc, his time is almost up to be Oro's new "container". Naruto got his chance to shine now its Sasuke's turn.

I really doubt it. How could an orphan child, recruited into "ROOT" encounter Kyuubi when he has been inside of Naruto since birth?

Naruto and Sai are the same age.

I think Sai is just a tag along character to make Team Kakashi a complete unit again.

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

I still dont understand Orochimaru's mission...i dont understand the logic behind it. Can someone explain this?

Some good questions...

- Is he making Sasuke's body stronger to obtain it once he is satisfied?
(This seems logical)

I doubt it. I think Oro transfers his essence into his bodies and they inherit his mind, soul and strength.

Oro stated at one point that he wanted to "dye Sasuke his color" as in he wanted to turn him to the darkside...err influence him to be an evil ninja like Oro himself.

- Is he trying to make Sasuke himself stronger to defeat Itachi and then taking over a stronger person then himself? A sort of agreement?
(This would be weird) [Sasuke is still a softy...said Oro..]

If Oro could train Sasuke to be stronger than himself I don't think Sasuke would have any need for him, he might as well try his hand at Itachi with his own power.

He could him a softy because he did not kill the ninja that he defeated (there is still good in him... ).

- Even if he takes Sasuke's body....isnt his body gonna reject him after 2-3 years??
(This has happened every time so far...)

I think the situation with Oro's bodies is that he must wait 3 years before he can enter another. He wanted Sasuke's body ASAP when Sandaime's curse on his arms was killing him.

He had to take another body because he had no choice (notice that this body was the strongest of his prisoners so perhaps they must be strong enough to atleast handle Oro's essence).

That body's rejection of him may just be coincidence.

Also Oro knows how to splice genes like he did with Yamato giving him Shodaime's powers. Kabuto said that once Oro discards a body he uses a jutsu to preserve it so he may just splice the Uchiha genes into the next body that he comes across to maintain its abilties.

- Isnt it possible to revive other Uchiha's (he claimed he could revive Tsunade's loved ones and revived the 1st & 2nd Hokage) and take their body??
(Still dont know why he hasnt done this yet....he has kidnapped so many people and taken over other bodies..)

Yes, I'm pretty sure he could go to the grave site and revive the Uchiha clan using his captives as sacrifices.

But they would be mere shells of the former person. Sasuke would have no use for them other than to talk to past loved ones, the way Tsunade wanted to, but it would probably be too painful for him, they would just be undead incarnations of his family not true living beings.

I don't think Oro could possess them, I'm pretty sure he needs a real body not animated clay.



I'm hoping that the next arc puts more emphasis on the villains and that we get to see what Akatsuki does about the death of 2 more comrades (that jeapordizes their chakra gathering that they do so they must be pissed).

The next chapter is supposed to be about Oro's objectives so hopefully we learn what his next move is and what that means for Sasuke.

Originally Posted by gibits

My pet theory as to why Oro is training Sasuke is:
1) to keep him around. Oro needs time to do his body snatch jutsu, till then he has to keep Sasuke happy

Yeah, I think so too. It also might be wise to keep someone strong around incase they are ambushed.

Oro promised Sasuke power and that is what he is giving him even if envitably he will play the role of container as he is still not strong enough to take on Itachi.

2)to make Sasuke use the CS more and increase his hold on Sasuke. It was said that the more u use it the less free-will u have.

It appears as though Oro dispelled Kakashi's "evil supressor" seal so he may want that too. But Sasuke is aware of this and may be avoiding relying on it.

He has been with him for 3 years and yet is still pretty defiant.

[felix]

Quite nice so far.
Giving a lil' glimpse of that moment right from the start was ginious.
It was also filler since we're going to see it all again.

I'm betting they saved Kakashi Gaiden for later so they can use this trick again. hehe~ I like that kind of filler. It would be intresting if they used the trick in every ep. Would save a lot of non-sense filler time, hell it could make it possible to skip non-sense filler all togheter.. Gosh the fillers just ended and here I am saing I want more

Note: I luv that they went for saint-sound-tracks. Really cool >.<
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@ Jay

> "I'm hoping that the next arc puts more emphasis on the villains and that we get to see what Akatsuki does about the death of 2 more comrades (that jeapordizes their chakra gathering that they do so they must be pissed)."

We haven't seen Kazuku die yet, and thoretcly his companion isn't capable of death.. dakara~

Spoiler for Theory:

It is posible that, Kazu, at the last moment possesed Kakashi..

It is not very unlikely considering the authors no non-sense style.
The only thing against it was Kazu's thoughts at the last moments before Naruto's jutsu striked a hit.

@ gibits

> "1) to keep him around. Oro needs time to do his body snatch jutsu, till then he has to keep Sasuke happy"
> "2)to make Sasuke use the CS more and increase his hold on Sasuke. It was said that the more u use it the less free-will u have."

Having an extra capable hand around isn't all that bad also.. yes it's obvious that he needs to keep Sasuke around but he also needs to get rid of Akatsuki, before they get rid of him. Why?! No solid idea..
Maybe S-class people carry a lot of grudges around.

In any case, my point: Oro + Sasuke > Oro-Sasuke
It's all in the math..

Post Scriptum

My memory fails me, when and where
was part II of 2) said?! The less free
will stuff you mentioned..