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Wow, so many long replies while I was asleep, so I'll just try clarify my thoughts rather than respond to every single point.
Yup, that's exactly what I thought about while being irked by Mashiroiro so much. I don't have the time to rewatch that series, but I remember that while TomoyaXNagisa was decided on very early, other characters' arcs still occurred, and they were developed even when it wasn't their arc. That's different than here, where the other girls basically faded into the background, except for Sana whose story is intertwined with Miu's. @relentlessflame Airi was instrumental to the school merger subplot, but the writers did not want her to be the main girl. In that case, she should not have been treated as main girl during the first half. I would have been more accepting if Shingo had continuously won her over during the whole series, rather than just the first half. The way they ended that, with Airi getting in the bath with him, and then suddenly joining the Kitty Club, it was presented as a cliffhanger that was never picked up again. So, I'm actually arguing that there should either be lessAiri, or equal amounts of Airi spread throughout the story. @hyl Flower is correct, I did not want an incest route, but rather get to know Sakuno better. As it is, she is just there, and we don't know much about her other than her slow and understanding nature. As for Ange, yeah it was rather obvious she was a joke character. However, she still got her two episodes, while Sakuno who is definitely not there for comedy did not. That's too much focus on somebody who is not important to the plot. About Sana, at the point where her personality switched Shingo was not that close to Miu yet. The anime was still on the Airi route at that point. If the kittens are in the VN, that's a knock on VN's story, and a knock on the anime for including it. The whole thing was way too blunt in an otherwise smooth story.
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And no, the bath scene and subsequent club-joining were not a cliffhanger. It was the conclusion of that plot thread (with a small further denouement in the beginning of the next episode). The conclusion for Airi was embedded in the line you felt was over-used, and Airi joining the club was the aftermath. The next episode showed that, as a result, the club was saved. There is nothing left to say. What Airi went through during the first part of the story (getting closer to Shingo but realizing that he didn't love her) gave her perspective that helped her understand what Sana was going through, allowed her to appreciate what Shingo saw in Miu, and ultimately inspired her to take the stand she took in the last episode which resolved that sub-plot from earlier on. So I'm not sure how the plot could have accomplished the same objectives without largely resolving her issues first, and can scarcely imagine how the Miu/Sana romantic triangle would be portrayed if Airi's issues had to remain front and center. I don't think your proposed changes would make this a better show. FWIW, the anime was on the Common Route at this point, not Airi's route. The personality change happens in the original story no matter what, and is not tied to any given heroine. As was said, there is very little of "Airi's route" in this anime. It's a game that always starts with resolving the situation in the class with Airi no matter what, since she is a friend of the group in all the routes that follow. Sana's personality switch also becomes part of the dynamic of the class and group no matter which route follows. So perhaps this is why I can't easily imagine the story being told any other way; to do otherwise too much would be unfaithful to the original work. (You might say you don't care and they should have made whatever changes necessary to deliver the sort of story you think would be "better" for whatever reason... but I think that's a rather myopic point of view.)
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Basically , the way I see it , the Bath scene could easily have developed into the Gate-way for the Airi route - had Shingo reciprocate. By simply going on as if nothing had happened , Shingo was basically politely hinting of his rejection of her advances. Basically , the route was aborted there when Shingo did not reciprocate. Of course , if a textual VN choice appeared on screen when they both next met , it might have been even more clearer. What would you have considered good writing? Outright , in your face rejection? How would you have warped up the ship-tease? In the end , given how many signals Airi was sending over to Shingo , there had to be some way for Shingo to "friendzone" Airi for the plot to make sense, and yet , you must still consider that Shingo is someone too polite to be that blunt.... To me , the poorest transition was the way they handled Sena's 360 Degree U turn to Tsun.... completely inexplicable. Anytime the anime tries to make me pity Sena , I remember her 360 Degree u-turn of characterization insanity that basically guaranteed her loss by default. |
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The stories were all stand alone in the VN, because they were all written by different people (the sole exception are Miu's and Sana's story). That's why all of them are written in a different style. The anime uses almost nothing from other stories besides the common route and Miu's story. There were minor elements from other stories added to make it smoother (or not), like the school merger that was never mentioned in Miu's story on the VN. The only thing that i initially didn't agree on that the anime did use was Ange's 2 half episodes of fame, but i already used Ange's transition for my own theory in the Mashiro-iro Symphony games topic. |
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my theory (shortened)> At he beginning of episode 5, it's clearly shown that Airi has fallen for Shingo due to her being so flustered after able to call Shingo just "Uryuu". For the entire episode she was hoping and observing Shingo that he is different (from the other men). You can rewatch the episode yourself if you missed that. At the end of episode 6 at the bathscene, she realized that those feelings are not reciprocated because Shingo was nice and helped Airi the whole time not because he likes her, but that it's just his nature /personality. Airi even said: that's he is that kind of person <end of my theory Quote:
-more development for Airi,because Shingo and Miu have changed her. -developing Miu because to other people she look strong, while she is not that strong as others believe that she is -tying loose ends from the basic premise about the school merger -giving an happier ending, knowing that the merger succeeded and that the friends stay together. Quote:
edit: in the VN the merger was also one of the last issues in Airi's story. It makes sense to me that something as a big as 2 schools merging needs some time (a few months) before a decision is made. Saving that issue for the last is not unreasonable for me. Last edited by hyl; 2011-12-26 at 20:29. |
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As if the scenes of Airi in episode 2, the bath scene with Sakuno and Ange and the scene with Miu running around naked in her house were not fanservice scenes. I don't recall you complaining about those scenes, even if those were somewhat pointless for the story.
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Also episode 11 had some anime original development of the other heroines. Who says that you can't join a club and still be a class rep? When i was in highschool i joined clubs, while being my class rep for 3 years. Also the moment that they are doing things for their own classes were no longer that important, because the tension between them were gone after that supermarket scene. Last edited by hyl; 2011-12-26 at 22:16. |
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And we never ever found out the origins of her man hating ways.... If there's one thing that made this show quite memorable , besides the fact that the protagonist is not a generic wimpy moronic pesudo-cassanova , it's the fact that the Tsundere scenario got played out in a rather realistic fashion. |
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2011-12-26, 22:25 | Link #1213 | |
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@hyl If you don't mind, can you explain her story?
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2011-12-26, 22:30 | Link #1214 |
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Who's story? Airi's or Sana?
If you want to read Sana's story, then relentlessflame has already made a nice summary of her story in the games section up to christmas (not including the very fluffy parts after that and the conclusion) in the games section. I kinda forgot when he posted it though edit: it's somewhere on the 2nd page http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...=107398&page=2 |
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2011-12-26, 23:47 | Link #1216 | |
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came out this year. In PC version, she doesn't have any back story on why she dislikes men. This anime is the adaption of Miu's route from PC version ,so you can't really blame director for this
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@Candyshark A show should stand on its own, without an additional 50 pages of explanations about things not shown.
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2011-12-26, 23:57 | Link #1219 |
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Wow ... having read the backstory of Sana in the game thread I am impressed - she really was a much more interesting character in the game. What a pity that was not able to come across!
But oh well ... Manglobe made a choice and stuck with it.
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I'm not saying that you should like it, but I'll disagree rather strongly with your claims about "bad writing". You may not like what they did with the show, but I think it was written in a very clever and skilful way. So I suppose we will have to agree to disagree, overall. Well, yeah, basically none of the PSP content was adapted. Yutsuki had two small cameos and that's it. Sana was essentially as portrayed in the PC game. It's too bad, but they were already pressed for time as it was, so I understand why they made that decision.
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