2012-10-12, 00:35
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Chitoge realize her feelings towards Raku now but won't admit it, While Kosaki is taking the lead & Marika as a gag in the manga.
Hope Raku & Kosaki will play Romeo & Juliet to the end, So that Kosaki can get closer to Raku(GO KOSAKI-CHAN!).
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2012-10-12, 02:09
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No no no Raku... at times like this, you should've just said what a man should do when they got into fight with his woman : "Sorry, I was wrong"
 jokes aside... I really can see that Chitoge will replace Kosaki in later chapters for some reasons 
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2012-10-12, 02:19
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There's a chance for character development for the rest of the heroines, if they are to get potential closure on their feelings for Raku, especially if he decides on a girl eventually.
Another common play for them to choose huh; not at all surprised with the Romeo and Juliet development ending with Raku and Kosaki together. What will Chitoge do now, now that she's pushed him away? |
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2012-10-12, 07:05
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As fro Raku, he didn't realize that he in love with Chitoge? He thinks that he loves Onodera when his heart disagrees. Raku in this chapter look totally not comfortable at all without Chitoge presence. As for Onodera, I pity her. Most likely she will get dumped on the half-way again...
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2012-10-12, 07:19
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Meh...the problem with the author aiming so hard for Raku x Chitoge from the get go just takes away any and all possible suspense and drama out of the equation for me.
To me it's already set in stone that Raku x Chitoge is the final pairing so anything that happens in between is just a wasted attempt at drama. This is what happens when an author pushes so damn hard for a certain pairing since the beginning... |
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2012-10-12, 07:24
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I dunno about the series going for much longer...
We've gone from "stupid beansprout!" (status quo) to "I'm an idiot." (heroine realizes her feelings) within like 3 chapters. I may be wrong but to me this romantic development seems very fast paced compared to the chapters before. 80-100 chapters total? Doubling the existing number now? That'd probably mean at least 35 more chapters of the protagonist being oblivious of any of the girls' feelings (yay  ). It would also mean Chitoge's development coming to an abrupt halt and the establishment of another status quo, which to me seems like an awkward way of writing character development into the plot.
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2012-10-12, 08:34
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Randrak42 but thats how love usually work, doesnt it? Its not ....... contest to pleasure audience or shippers waiting to get sth to troll on forums...
Waven Chitoge feelings for him started to develop almost from begining... In last 3 chapters she realized her own feelings, but thats normal for tsundere, isnt it? Quote:
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2012-10-12, 11:42
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2012-10-12, 12:30
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I'm all for setting up a couple from the get go, but not how this author has done it. Here we have a harem like scenario with various girls but only one of them is truly being set up to be the end girl and it is practically shoved in our faces. Matching up a couple from the start doesn't work so well in harem series, VNs included. God, I can't tell you how annoying it is in VNs when the makers keep pushing one pairing in your face when you just want to go through a different route. Setting up a final couple from the start can work well. A good recent example of a couple being set up from the start was Magico, though the manga ended prematurely (IMHO) the whole relationship between Shion and Emma was great and when a love rival for either one appeared the readers did feel the relationship being threatened. An example of a certain pairing being set up from the beginning but them only getting together later on is Change 123 (I chose this mostly because I re-read the whole series recently) where you knew that Kosukegawa and Motoko set up from the start but for a few chapters you actually feel threatened when Mokoto has a crush on another guy and when another chick shows up later on and hits on the MC you actually feel that it could create good drama (and it did). Here...there's no feeling of threat in the whole thing because while it is a harem Chitoge gets so much more screen-time and development it's ridiculous, nothing can happen with another girl without Chitoge either being around or her having something happen right after of the same level. Think Rosario+Vampire...TsukuneXMoka is shoved in our faces so much that the rest of the harem is just there for the lols (and fighting later on) there's never any threat to the relationship. It would have been much, much better IMHO had the author distributed character development and screen-time amongst the girls while dropping only subtle hints that Chitoge was ahead. Weird as it may sound, To-Love-Ru did this rather well. It was a pure comedy harem manga, Lala was believed to be the final girl for a while at the start but as things went on we had other girls get as much screen-time and development as her, if not more at times. Before Darkness, it was still in the back of most people's minds that Lala would be the final girl but the mix of comedy and other girls being in the picture (and by being in the picture I mean getting center stage WITHOUT Lala showing up or getting further ahead right after) kept things fresh...hell plenty of times did I think "He could actually end up with her instead of Lala."...this became even better in Darkness. So yes, it's not about how love works...it's about how you tell the story. |
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2012-10-12, 13:50
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The fokus of this manga was never really about the harem anyway.
There are harem mangas like To-Love-Ru and harem mangas like Love Hina. Nisekoi was since the beginning like Love Hina. It was never question of who he ends up because it was already clear. The question was and still is the how. TLR and Nisekoi have only one thing in common and that is that a couple of girls like the hero and i'm glad that it is not more. |
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2012-10-12, 14:40
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This manga is more like love triangle then harem... Mari came to play late and... I didnt saw even subtle sign that Raku is interested in her for sth more then just friend. Developing this relationship would me meaningless...
Randrak42 but in this manga it would be impossible to do. Its not like Kimi where influence of Eba on Haruto was that big then even if Haruto would date Nanami seriously then it would still not work out for them and Haruto would end up with Eba in the end... In this manga just one little step from Raku or Kosaki and it would be END OF STORY... Just one little conversation, few worlds that she is interesting in him or he in her and they would enp up together... Now ofc its too late for it, Raku is in love wirh Chitoge, but earlier any kind of development between Kosaki and Raku would end this manga... Author cannot make any steps here, because love between them was already on stone. What did you expect? Ofc author could just write more scenes with just only two of them, but it would change nothing. Because it will be same cliche situations and status quo between them will still last. In most manga with characters in situation like Raku and Kosaki one of them or both isnt still sure about their feelings. But in Nisekoi both of them from begining of manga knew what are their feelings... Thats why any kind of development between them means end of manga...
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2012-10-12, 15:39
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Yes, from the beginning the author made Naru the main girl and the most obvious choice for final girl...but then again Keitaro didn't come into the story already in love with another girl, he came in as a blank slate (as opposed to TLR). Raku came in already in love with someone else, however the author barely played with it seriously...none of the situations with Kosaki so far have pushed me into thinking that he could actually end up with her and this is wasted potential. The story doesn't need huge drama, it can stay comical and shounen but also play with Raku x Kosaki a bit more...make the readers think, even for a second, that she has a chance. This would greatly improve on the story and make more people interested in it. I know a lot of people that have dropped this manga saying something along the line "Chitoge's already the clear winner and no girl is a threat, what's left is cliche shounen humor." I rather like cliche shounen humor sometimes which is why I stuck around, not because I have any interest in the romance anymore. Quote:
If Raku and Kosaki started dating but he still had some lingering feelings for Chitoge it would actually make for an interesting plot... And cliche situations? Like we don't have plenty...almost too many of those already? This manga and manga like this one are build on cliche situations...it only thing it's missing is more stereotypical clumsy MC tripping over girls and ending up in awkward positions. As for it being a Love-Triangle and not a harem manga...no it is a harem manga, just because other girls come in later doesn't take away the fact that it has become a harem manga. If the only two characters with feelings for Raku were Kosaki and Chitoge and the other girls were not interested/interested in someone else then yes, this would be a plain love-triangle but not here. |
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2012-10-12, 16:03
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I have nothing against cliché-ridden storries as long they can entertain me and that is clearly the case with this manga. This was never meant to be like one of those stories where people need to guess with who the protagonist will end up. From the beginning it was clear for me that it will be an Chitoge end. Rakus crush on Onodera was just something to not let him hook up with Chitoges too fast and it was somthing he will overcome after he realized which girl he really liked. |
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2012-10-12, 16:19
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Saying this can't be entertaining is like saying a "howdecatchthem" detective story can't be entertaining because you know from the start who the criminal is.
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2012-10-13, 07:18
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Randrak42 but Chitoge and Raku arent dating for real. And Kosaki already know that fact. And between them there wasnt any feelings in begining. If Kosaki and Raku would date in begining of series then it would be impossible for any girl to interrupt. because it was mutual feeling... Thats why it would be end of series...
Yes Raku and Kosaki dating would make sense- but only now when Raku develop feelings for Chitoge and Chitoge knew whats her real feelings are... It would be interesting... But we are talking here about past, not about current situation!! Earlier relationship between Raku and Kosaki would mean end of series... Not others girls, but only one girl- Mari... Its 3 girls in total... In end you can call it love triangle manga which change into harem... But its harem manga only in name... If you look only at chemistry between characters and feelings development between them then this manga is love triangle... Serious plot happen only between Kosaki- Raku- Chitoge...
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I never said it couldn't be obvious that Chitoge was the final girl...I'm just saying that it would have been better for the story (for me at least) if the author focused on the other girls a bit more and made us doubt that fact at least once. To me the romance side of this RomCom series has become incredibly boring, I'm really just here for the Comedy side by now. Quote:
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Raku and Chitoge being a pretend couple to keep a war from happening and all the while Raku was dating Kosaki for real. The time Raku spent with Chitoge pretending to date could easily allow for feelings to develop between the two making Raku torn between his two loves...add comedy and done well and it wouldn't even have to be that serious to be played out well. Just because two characters are dating doesn't mean Raku couldn't start to develop feelings for another girl, especially in the situation they were in. Tell you the truth now that I think about it, I much rather the story had developed like that than as it did. But hey, it could still happen so here's to me hoping for it. You're forgetting Tsugumi, that's four girls with a romantic interest in the MC. It doesn't matter if there's only any real development between two or three characters, it still is a Harem. Love Hina doesn't stop being a harem just because Naru and Keitaro's relationship develops more than the others. Ai Kora doesn't stop being a harem just because Sakurako and Hachibei's relationship is the only one with real development. TLR doesn't stop being a harem just because Lala and Rito get most of the relationship development (and then Rito, Yami and Momo in Darkness). HSDK doesn't stop being a harem just because Miu and Kenichi are the only ones with any real romantic development. Rosario+Vampire doesn't stop being a harem just because Moka and Tsukune are the only ones with any mutual romantic interest. Highschool DxD doesn't stop being a harem just because only Rias and Issei's relationship gets any real focus. And so on...then again we're just arguing about a little technicality... |
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