2012-10-23, 05:01 | Link #5021 |
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Just trying to be clear here, I'm not necessarily arguing which one (Kira vs Shinn) is better here.
My original gripe about your previous post is why you took Znozzy's opinion (why he think Kira lost to Shinn during that battle) with an image from previous encounter that doesn't really hold any relevance for the related battle where Kira lost (plus that statement of why you think Kira sucks, which is fine if that's what you think but it's a different matter from what Znoozzy brought up). He didn't necessarily say who is the better one here. And sorry, are you trying to say Shinn simply sucks because of stock footage ? please elaborate more. |
2012-10-23, 05:32 | Link #5022 |
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Im referring the half of the episode up to the ending thats lot of stock footage w/ poor writing.
That image i post about? Just use your Instinct. How come he dodge the saber without knowing Kira weakness from Rey? He did his own move. There is no distraction just man to man. He might have notice of his attack pattern from the previous battle it would probably beat the freedom without knowing Rey tips. Isn't amazing? Kira lost by a distraction? WHat can you do for the Archangel when you can't take care of your opponent it would leave yourself wide open to the enemy. If you disagree then talk to WackyModder84 here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcWHKT8eH8s Last edited by PzIVf3; 2012-10-23 at 05:45. |
2012-10-23, 05:59 | Link #5023 | |
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Also in that fight Kira was not fighting for right neither wrong.. it's like you see your brother fighting 10 stronger people >> even if he was wrong/ the one who start it > you can't just let him get killed can you? You first try to stop the fight than you can let your brother apology. In other word > Kira was watching his country soldiers getting killed like fly and you want him to act as if nothing happened? He didn't help them but didn't let them being killed. And even if Cagalli return at that point whcat can she do other than end as hostage for blus cosmos/fiance to control arc angel & freedom? |
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As to what would happen if he didn't get the advice, who knows he might win like you said but I won't get into this. Clearly, the reason Shinn won is just not because he was amazing. He outsmarted Kira with Rey's advice too. I don't know why are you trying to glorify Shinn so much here when nobody glorified Kira on the first place. Quote:
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2012-10-23, 08:03 | Link #5025 |
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I know someone is not trying to Link ep 28 with 34. Treading old ground here again, but here we go
All the Bull they pulled to have kira/freedom defeated ep 34: 1. Nerf, Freedom's performance was inconsistent, compared to every episode before this one. 2. Have Kira be distracted (yes I know why he was distracted, so don't say it) but it's still one of the bull moves they pulled, just so he can be defeated. 3. ASS piercing Phase Shift Armor. Not even going to. 4. Hocus Pocus. ASS magically grows a beam at the tip 5. Apparently freedom only has a beam rifle, as a ranged weapon. And still took 2 Impulses out. Are you kidding me! Take away 1-4 then sit here and try to tell me the outcome would still be the same. I'll throw in pre-freedom Kira or Seed End Kira, and how many of you will say Shinn wins ( with certainty). Can't stand people that rarely ever post in a certain thread *cough* PzIVf3 *cough* maybe once in a Blue Moon, goes in there say you for example, waving that shinn flag, Advocating how he was able to dodge this, how the other pilot could not do this. Irrelevant to or to what everybody else is discussing, you could not disguise that very well, saw right through it. I see this all the time, not even strictly speaking Anime or Gundam, but other Mediums ass well. A Quote from Rau: "After all people only know, of what they Experienced" What a joke. |
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2012-10-23, 10:16 | Link #5027 | |||
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So, I still don't know what the image that PzIVf3 posted is about. Anyone one to tell me?
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If you're arguing that Kira did his best and still lost to Shinn, then I disagree. Shinn counted on the fact that Kira wouldn't target vital parts of Impulse and that's what happened. The fact that Kira didn't fight to kill (ignoring for the moment any controversy with a certain split Impulse scene) means that Kira didn't do his best. And that's before taking into account the fact that Kira was looking at the Archangel and going away from Shinn during their battle. If you don't see that as being distracted, I don't know what else to say. That's not to say Shinn's win isn't valid. It's a battle, not some game where everything has to be fair, so a win is a win no matter what. Quote:
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If you engaging at boxing Do you think the same fighting tactics will make you win without using actual intelligent on your opponent movements and timing of attack? Quote:
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2012-10-23, 19:14 | Link #5033 | |
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@Znozzy: The most important thing is that Kira had an idea on how to stop the fight. Athrun didn't.. In fact he wasn't really doing much other than showing off some cool transformation maneuvers until Kira arrived. Shin was way more effective then Athrun.
Kira has his own way of stoping a fight, which is to "take out" all the big players on the battlefield and simply intimidate them into retreat. He did that in the first fight and it worked.. So he wanted to do it again and limit ORB's casualties and it's further involvement in the fight, because he can and Athrun obviously couldn't do any of that. Sure it's not the best way to do it (too humiliating), but it sure was effective, since he got everyone to stop fu*king arount in a matter of minutes. (Even though things would have been a little different the second time because of a pissed off Shinn in seed mode) And in the end Athrun got disabled because he allowed himself to be disabled.. I'm sure at the end even Kira was like (in a Xzibit accent): Lol.. that's all ya got?! Yo dawg, u such pu**y now! Quote:
I don't think Kira saw anything more than a grunt when he saw the Impulse.. So obviously he approached him like he usually does against a grunt.. Shinn being a trained pilot and one of the most talented prospects of the ZAFT academy (a.k.a: not a noob) dodged his attack.. What so special about that? ooh boy.. You shouldn't believe everything you reed on the internet. Just say'n..
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2012-10-24, 00:05 | Link #5036 | |
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And well for Kira's upgrade to white coat, I'm not sure if it was ever explained what he was but at the very least he's at the same level of authority as Yzak. So he's either a commander or a ship captain, more likely a Commander. Here's an example of DESTINY end ranks. I guess having your girlfriend as Chairman entitles you to skip ranks. (I think Shinn was still red coat at the end too, must be angry that Kira is higher than him and can order him around. ) On a side note, Athrun stayed as a commanding officer at Orb. People in CE have such weird career changes. |
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2012-10-24, 01:26 | Link #5037 |
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That white uniform is probably my favorite in all of CE. Unfortunately, the white pilot suit that goes with it is probably my least favorite in all of CE. I guess one good thing for me about not having another CE show featuring Kira post Destiny is that I don't have to see Kira wearing that pilot suit.
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So, you simply ask me to choose Shinn or Kira ? No room for a middle ground ? Fine then, I won't bother you anymore. The last thing we need is another Shinn vs Kira argument |
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Given what happened to Kamille post-Zeta, and that Shinn was supposed to be CE's version of Kamille.
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