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germanturkey · 2014-06-27, 09:16

to be fair to dempsey, if you've ever had an injury on your periphery, getting hit at your core will rattle wherever that injury is.

Kakurin · 2014-06-27, 09:32

France's Sakho got away with nothing for the attempted elbow strike in the game against Ecuador. Suarez got what he deserved, but Sakho gets let off the hook. Strange double standard. Guess there was no public outcry against Sakho that could have forced FIFA's hand.

germanturkey · 2014-06-27, 09:34

eh, the refs have just been horrible throughout most of the world cup so far.

Bri · 2014-06-27, 09:50

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Originally Posted by SigUp

Chiellini has now given a comment regarding Suarez ban and called it excessive in that he should be able to remain with the team.

The (Anglo) media have it out for Suarez in my opinion, he's been vilified since he started to play in the EPL. To bite is low and disgusting, but it's not worse than an elbow to the face or headbutting. Song got a 3 match ban for elbowing a Croatia player in the back, which seems far more reasonable.

Kakurin · 2014-06-27, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Bri

To bite is low and disgusting, but it's not worse than an elbow to the face or headbutting.

Actually it is. Human saliva contain many different kinds of germs that are pathogenic. In terms of infection risk a human bite is more dangerous than a dog bite. Of course I doubt that Suarez bit hard enough to cause a true wound, but one shouldn't whitewash the dangers from biting.

Bri · 2014-06-27, 10:27

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Originally Posted by SigUp

Actually it is. Human saliva contain many different kinds of germs that are pathogenic. In terms of infection risk a human bite is more dangerous than a dog bite. Of course I doubt that Suarez bit hard enough to cause a true wound, but one shouldn't whitewash the dangers from biting.

Infection risk as opposed to the dangers of head injuries? Seems like in both cases you risk damage to a players health. I don't think it's whitewashing when one is not inclined to go along with media hysteria.

Blaat · 2014-06-27, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Bri

The (Anglo) media have it out for Suarez in my opinion, he's been vilified since he started to play in the EPL. To bite is low and disgusting, but it's not worse than an elbow to the face or headbutting. Song got a 3 match ban for elbowing a Croatia player in the back, which seems far more reasonable.

You think? I remember the huge outcry over an handball four years. I definitely think player reputation made some fouls a lot worse than they actually were (same with Pepe's red card against Germany) while other fouls which are actually worse (remember the kick Steve von Bergen received?) don't create an outcry.

Also WTH FIFA why is there is no football on television.

Kakurin · 2014-06-27, 11:09

Difference is, the kick von Bergen received was an accident. You can say it was reckless, but unlike Pepe's or Suarez' actions it was not deliberate. Thing is, it's not Suarez' first, or even second time he's done something stupid. It's the third time biting somebody and then you have to add the racial comment against Evra. With him being a repeat offender 3 games would be very low. That said, FIFA's standards are as I mentioned quite strange with Song getting 3 games, Suarez 9 and Sakho getting let off the hook.

germanturkey · 2014-06-27, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Blaat

Also WTH FIFA why is there is no football on television.

because there are no games scheduled for today?

ScazoN · 2014-06-27, 11:39

Brazil vs Chile. Hype

itisjustme · 2014-06-27, 13:20

Sakho's elbow isn't really comparable, it's the sort of rough play you kinda expect on set pieces. I mean defenders basically wrestle you now they gripe you they have their arms around you and prevent you from moving and since refs never whistle that you throw your man off with your arms, intimidate them a little with your elbow like a basketball center. It's dirty and will get you red carded if the ref happens to turn his head right at that moment but at the highest level you need some dose of dirtiness to win.

Daniel E. · 2014-06-27, 15:09

Such a nice gesture by a group of Holland kids!

Best of luck to Holland too!

Nerroth · 2014-06-27, 17:32

So how has the TV coverage been in the country you've been watching the World Cup from?

Here in Canada, the CBC coverage has been fairly decent, if a bit workmanlike. But I kind of miss some of the antics which the Irish state broadcaster, RTÉ, would get up to.

In addition to the more... colourful discussions in the studio you see and hear over there, they also have a show called Après Match, in which a group of comedians impersonating the panelists (and various others) offer their own take on things.

For example, this is an argument from just after the England-Uruguay match:

And this is the Après Match follow-up:

Apologies if you find any of the accents to be something of a challenge...

Urzu 7 · 2014-06-27, 21:17

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Originally Posted by germanturkey

eh, the refs have just been horrible throughout most of the world cup so far.

Yeah, I noticed in that game I watched that the refs were favoring Germany over USA. They kept blowing the whistle on USA, but I remember one German player did a slide into a U.S. player and it was clear as day and no ref blew the whistle.

FIFA doesn't have good standards about things in general compared to leagues like the NFL and MLB, etc., huh?

germanturkey · 2014-06-28, 00:24

i believe FIFA once used the term "organic" for those types of things..

Guardian Enzo · 2014-06-28, 00:40

I think the standard of officiating is quite low at the moment in every major team sport, and star players and elite teams always get a measure of special treatment. But it really is at another level of awfulness with FIFA.

Kakurin · 2014-06-28, 01:12

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Originally Posted by Urzu 7

Yeah, I noticed in that game I watched that the refs were favoring Germany over USA. They kept blowing the whistle on USA, but I remember one German player did a slide into a U.S. player and it was clear as day and no ref blew the whistle.

What game were you watching? There was no favouring in that game. The US simply fouled more. In fact the ref was pretty lenient in evaluating the US tactical fouls. Beckerman for example should have seen yellow much, much earlier.

itisjustme · 2014-06-28, 02:56

Having just watched the NBA before the WC I don't find the refs shocking. :P NFL and MLB are leagues where the game stops ever 15 seconds and you can use instant replay it's not the same.

Kakurin · 2014-06-28, 03:13

NFL refs also have enough screw-ups and strange double standards. Like the evaluation of pass interference, or holding penalties. It can get fairly shady there. FIFA football isn't really all too terrible in this regard considering that football's a flowing game and there are no instant reviews or challenges. Problem with the World Cup is that you have referees from smaller associations and countries who aren't accustomed to calling a high-tempo international game. FIFA needs to do a better job there to ensure that all refs are up to the same standards. It's fairly clear that a referee from New Zealand for example hasn't had the same kind of experience like a referee who has called UEFA Champions League games.

Sheba · 2014-06-28, 03:42

Don't referees also get kept or weed out after their performance in a match until we get the best possible referee for the final?

2014-06-27, 09:16	Link #1161
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	to be fair to dempsey, if you've ever had an injury on your periphery, getting hit at your core will rattle wherever that injury is. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2014-06-27, 09:32	Link #1162
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	France's Sakho got away with nothing for the attempted elbow strike in the game against Ecuador. Suarez got what he deserved, but Sakho gets let off the hook. Strange double standard. Guess there was no public outcry against Sakho that could have forced FIFA's hand. __________________

2014-06-27, 09:34	Link #1163
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	eh, the refs have just been horrible throughout most of the world cup so far. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2014-06-27, 11:09	Link #1168
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	Difference is, the kick von Bergen received was an accident. You can say it was reckless, but unlike Pepe's or Suarez' actions it was not deliberate. Thing is, it's not Suarez' first, or even second time he's done something stupid. It's the third time biting somebody and then you have to add the racial comment against Evra. With him being a repeat offender 3 games would be very low. That said, FIFA's standards are as I mentioned quite strange with Song getting 3 games, Suarez 9 and Sakho getting let off the hook. __________________

2014-06-27, 15:09	Link #1172
Daniel E. AniMexican! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterrey N.L. Mexico	Such a nice gesture by a group of Holland kids! Best of luck to Holland too! __________________

2014-06-27, 11:39	Link #1170
ScazoN 3rd Ginko Join Date: Jun 2014 Age: 26	Brazil vs Chile. Hype

2014-06-27, 13:20	Link #1171
itisjustme Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Sakho's elbow isn't really comparable, it's the sort of rough play you kinda expect on set pieces. I mean defenders basically wrestle you now they gripe you they have their arms around you and prevent you from moving and since refs never whistle that you throw your man off with your arms, intimidate them a little with your elbow like a basketball center. It's dirty and will get you red carded if the ref happens to turn his head right at that moment but at the highest level you need some dose of dirtiness to win.

2014-06-27, 17:32	Link #1173
Nerroth NePoi! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 43	So how has the TV coverage been in the country you've been watching the World Cup from? Here in Canada, the CBC coverage has been fairly decent, if a bit workmanlike. But I kind of miss some of the antics which the Irish state broadcaster, RTÉ, would get up to. In addition to the more... colourful discussions in the studio you see and hear over there, they also have a show called Après Match, in which a group of comedians impersonating the panelists (and various others) offer their own take on things. For example, this is an argument from just after the England-Uruguay match: <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/477JPySx-Og">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> And this is the Après Match follow-up: <p>No iframe support, please <a href="http://youtu.be/wiUe9V_VjBw">watch on YouTube</a>.</p> Apologies if you find any of the accents to be something of a challenge... __________________

2014-06-28, 00:24	Link #1175
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	i believe FIFA once used the term "organic" for those types of things.. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2014-06-28, 02:56	Link #1178
itisjustme Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Having just watched the NBA before the WC I don't find the refs shocking. :P NFL and MLB are leagues where the game stops ever 15 seconds and you can use instant replay it's not the same.

2014-06-28, 03:13	Link #1179
Kakurin 大佐 Join Date: Jun 2013	NFL refs also have enough screw-ups and strange double standards. Like the evaluation of pass interference, or holding penalties. It can get fairly shady there. FIFA football isn't really all too terrible in this regard considering that football's a flowing game and there are no instant reviews or challenges. Problem with the World Cup is that you have referees from smaller associations and countries who aren't accustomed to calling a high-tempo international game. FIFA needs to do a better job there to ensure that all refs are up to the same standards. It's fairly clear that a referee from New Zealand for example hasn't had the same kind of experience like a referee who has called UEFA Champions League games. __________________

2014-06-28, 03:42	Link #1180
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	Don't referees also get kept or weed out after their performance in a match until we get the best possible referee for the final?