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In shikamaru's team everybody had a normal childhood, their parents are alive despite being ninjas. Hinata's team is ok too. In other teams there's at least one who had normal childhood, for example Sakura in team7. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2009-04-22 at 16:07. |
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2009-04-22, 16:40 | Link #43 | |
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yeah i think the same as you that konoha is going to disagree with naruto's answer and that he'll have to leave the village because of that, maybe he'll turn into a jiraiya traveling around the world writing icha icha books xD lol jk. anyways i think that will have to be done to have a new timeskip. originally i thought that naruto was gonna get kicked out from konoha because teh village, danzoue, root will tell naruto to leave because it was his fault the village got destroyed, etc. but now i think he'll leave konoha, probably to myobokuzan? same as jiraiya? and about the chapter i was hoping for a little more information in nagato's past but its ok . and poor puppy. |
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2009-04-22, 17:26 | Link #44 | |
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I think that his whole team has it and i think that is important to understand their personality, their laid-back attitude and the simplicity of their way of thinking.
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And for Sakura... i really don't know... by now i'm only thinking that Kishi is silent about her background life with some purpose. It could be nothing, but you never know.
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2009-04-22, 17:54 | Link #45 | |
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Naruto will never kick the Konoha ninja's asses outside of maybe Danzou and ROOT who will be clearly labeled evil. First off, violence to create peace is Pain's way and we see how that is fail. Second, a lot of Konoha nin died to not give up where Naruto was. The Konoha nin love him now. Remember Shikamaru's words? Naruto brings about changes in people and makes them want to walk and follow him. Naruto will be all about non-violence to bring his peace. Like Gandhi. Well except for Madara. We have to see some fighting.
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2009-04-22, 19:04 | Link #46 | |
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Konoha is still under the influence of the elders, so i was referring to this when saying that Naruto will probably have to kick some asses there. The new generation as you mentioned is already under his influence, but it would be too easy if suddenly Naruto could be hokage and all his advisors would become Shikamaru, Sakura and other loyal people. That wouldn't be an interesting story So if Naruto distances himself from Konoha that does not mean that he forgets about his friends in Konoha, it just means that he could do the same thing Jiraiya or Tsunade did, but eventually he can return there and become hokage. It may seem a crazy idea in your eyes, but i think that if Naruto finds the answer and creates a new world in the end of the manga it would be a good ending that he makes Sasuke the hokage and he becomes some kind of legendary ninja who stands above the villages. |
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2009-04-22, 19:04 | Link #47 | |
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My prediction is that Nagato, inherits the same idealistic veiws of peace Jiraiya taught him... but after he leaves the 2nd pain make's him lose faith.. the once timid nagato becomes to realises the chain of hatred and how believing people can change is indeed a "pipedream' (which he said to naruto) Also it seem's nagato has taken on more than just yahiko's veiws... his pain persona mimic's yahiko personality... the "god' complex, the bashful outburst... not to mention the deva realm is yahiko.. it might be the reason nagato hide's.. the bodies are a vice which give him confidence (he lives through him).. like 'hands' from boston legal and his wooden cigarette lol (pain has Asperger's) |
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2009-04-22, 19:14 | Link #49 |
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but remember yahiko crying when Jiriaya left, he show's that he care's about him, even though he is from another village... a village that played part in the demise of his own... however as I said... Yahiko's veiws will seem not so radical to nagato once the 2nd pain occurs... and what little faith he had in others, diminishing.. who knows, maybe after J_Man leaves yahiko begin's to believe that people can one day change.. only to be proven wrong by the "chain of hatred" continuing its cycle.. leading to his own death... in which is the main reason behind nagato's distorted veiws on peace
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2009-04-22, 21:32 | Link #51 | |
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And it is not like he was feeling hatred towards Konoha more than his hatred towards the other countries, who also helped in the destruction of his own country. |
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2009-04-22, 22:07 | Link #53 |
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Id lean more toward Nagato taking advantage of what J_Man could offer, learning Ninjutsu etc... It would make more sense if the acceptance of J_Man as a close bond came after the time they spent together, where he was able to see the man and not just the Konoha Nin... I agree with james, it would be hard for the best human beings on this earth to shrug of something like that..
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2009-04-22, 23:05 | Link #54 | |
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I don't see Nagato taking advantage of Jiraiya's teaching. the way he was with him, speaking from the heart... i can't see that on him. Probably is like Gamma_Sennin said, Nagato saw Jiraiya's human side...
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2009-04-22, 23:41 | Link #55 | |
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And in Nagato's case, the pain related to his family's death might have a less impact compared to what Sasuke felt (losing your family during war conditions-not saying Konoha was innocent- vs. losing your family and clan in the hands of your brother whom you had admired all your life in a rather peaceful environment). Also, unlike Sasuke, who developed a goal of becoming an avenger, Nagato, may not have developed such goals at the times. And for him finding a place he can consider a new home might be sufficient for him to make a new beginning. Enough to not keep those memories as if they are written on his hand. Of course, this is my opinion. You are free to not share them. (and, even though it was not my point, psychologically, a human is capable of shrugging off those memories, and that never makes them a monster. just like kids affected by the Stockholm syndrome. those only make them human, as created by the god.) |
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2009-04-23, 00:02 | Link #57 | |
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Just my 2 cts.
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2009-04-23, 00:28 | Link #58 | |
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To put it another way, Nagato has precise information of the events at hand, and he has even used said events as one of the two cornerstone of his entire belief system. So, to claim that his emotional trauma was somehow solved by friendship, or something to that effect, before meeting Jiraiya, makes very little sense, considering just how important Nagato treats his parent's murder. So, once again, the question of why Nagato would decide to approach Jiraiya, let alone work with him, is a very relevant question that needs to be answered. Last edited by james0246; 2009-04-23 at 00:39. |
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You have argued that Nagato somehow magically simply got over his parent's death (due to friendship...I think) or had forgotten them somehow, but the last chapter (as well as previous ones) all indicate, if not outright explain (see chapter 444) that Nagato has never gotten over his parent's murder. Additionally, there has never been any evidence that Nagato has ever suppressed or repressed his emotions concerning his parent's death. |
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