2008-11-16, 18:35 | Link #821 |
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Heh, from the perspective of someone who had to do 4 years in primary and highschool, 6 years in elementary school sounds like a long long time =P On the other hand 3 years in junior school and high school seem a little short to me, though i hated my last 4 years since it seemed more like 400 years
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2008-11-16, 21:01 | Link #822 |
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I might sound redundant but I'd like to point out that the reason why it's common to find anime/manga characters with certain styles of speech (a girl using "boku", for example) is for the sake of having stronger characterization. I recall my sensei felt unsettled about a female character in a manga using "boku" to refer to herself - she said it felt boyish and most of all, "unnatural" for a girl to use that - almost like the girl using "boku" was no longer a girl. I got the same reactions whenever I accidently switched to male speech and I was somewhere outside of Oita-ken (there, it's common for girls to use certain aspects of male speech patterns and that's where I picked up most of my "male" words). People noticeably felt uneasy and uncomfortable, and would sometimes ask me to repeat myself because they began doubting that I'd actually used typically male words. Even tomboyish girls I knew would never refer to themselves as "boku".
So... I might've answered the question somewhere in there but it would be such an unusual case (at least where I came from) for a girl to use "boku" that it's difficult to say, though I would expect people would be very unsettled about a Japanese girl using it (and would probably laugh at a foreign girl using it). |
2008-11-16, 21:31 | Link #823 | |
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1. Was born in Korea and currently lives in America 2. Cultural background? I guess all my family is Korean, no mingling with other race in my family . 3. Animes, as a kid I grew up with Yuusha series and those shows were amazing. And I suppose the Korean propaganda against the Japanese from books . I kinda knew one Japanese kid during middle school but that's about it. And not many Japanese in the east coast as far as I know.
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2008-11-16, 21:59 | Link #824 | |
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And now for the fourth question: How did these factors influence your first impressions of Japanese culture? I've added this to the original question list, by the way. It was always intended to be the "main" question but I left it as the "title" of the post and it seemed to have been ignored! Anyhow, you can see how I addressed this question in my own answers, so now it's your turn ^^ There is still anti-Japanese propaganda in Korean books? It's the same in Mainland China, but Hong Kong and Taiwan are rather pro-Japan these days (my parents once tried to "set me up" with a Japanese girl in my class ) |
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2008-11-16, 22:15 | Link #825 | |
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As far as how all those factors influenced me, simple if it wasn't for anime I would probably have very strong negative feeling toward Japanese and its culture. But through anime I came to like Japan and from there I learned more about their culture and came to respect them in some way. Though I still jokingly insult Japanese openly and lets say that the hatred became more of rivalry.
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2008-11-16, 22:23 | Link #826 | |
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There are countries out there that (my opinion, of course) I would quality of cutthroat when talking about anything social. America comes to mind as most obvious. When you go to school, and even when you're older, there's always going to be some sort of "social" placement. Either you're part of the cool kids, or you aren't. And if you aren't, you get tons of shit. Even as a grownup, if people think you're "weird", they will talk in your back and be very offensive to you. I imagine things like that would never or rarely happen in asian countries? Don't be surprised of all the people doing bizzare things in america and elsewhere: if you're submissive and happily "follow the rules", people will annoy you, and try to put you down and use you. It's really just that cutthroat, you can't afford to be caught doing something "un-cool" because then you will be seen as an outsider and picked on. I don't even live in america, yet I have plenty of that happen to me. I have had people even ask me after having a very good score to an exam: "Are you ashamed?", like "Are you ashamed -to be such a nerd-?". Last edited by Byakou; 2008-11-16 at 22:51. |
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2008-11-16, 23:32 | Link #827 | ||||
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(Procrastinating on presentation due tomorrow morning... what, it's not like I'm going to sleep anyways tonight.)Various places. D: Mostly Northern California (USA), but now I consider myself just as much a part of Oita-ken as Cali, if not more so.
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But really, I think everyone in every culture has some sort of "social placement". If we didn't, it would be chaotic; people wouldn't know offhand how to deal with other people and so we'd all have to keep constantly learning new routines for interacting with each individual. Then again, I get the feeling I'm thinking of a different kind of "social placement" than what you're speaking of. If you're talking about high school cliques, erm, yeah, I daresay it is all about students trying to put some sort of social order into their lives by constantly asking themselves, "am I above so-and-so, or below them?" and that having these unofficial rules ("cheerleaders are socially higher than art club people", for example) cuts down on the thought process. My Sociology text probably has a good answer to this and maybe I'd also know it if I'd actually crack the book open.... |
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2008-11-17, 11:51 | Link #829 |
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Okay, point taken... though I still think that there are better comparisons to make than Japan and the US, partly because education in the US (and the UK, for that matter) is so non-standardised and varies from region to region, school to school. Japan, China, Taiwan, Korea, Poland... all of these countries have somewhat similar and very standardised educational systems, so I prefer comparing these. Anyhow, I'll stop now
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2008-11-17, 12:08 | Link #830 | |
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Also, was this an occurrence in an American school? I have never run into this myself. |
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2008-11-17, 14:27 | Link #831 |
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Neither have I. A good grade was a good thing to have at every school I went to, including an American school (admittedly 60% Asian). We fought tooth and nail to get the highest mark. Had to remain in the top 10%! Good grades made you popular too, but it was an annoying popularity because people would nag you for help with studying.
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2008-11-17, 15:30 | Link #832 | |
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Can anyone answer my earlier question about how much influence/authority a student council actually have? |
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2008-11-17, 16:31 | Link #834 | |
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Well back to my question. Since in my country we don't have such things i want to know what powers a student council is given and what they can/cannot do. |
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2008-11-17, 16:38 | Link #835 |
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No student governments in UK?
For my school anyway, as long as the principal clears it, they can take up any project they can conceive. It's hard to consolidate their role since it can be pretty broad, like any government. Like I said, if students within the council are motivated and disciplined, they can accomplish a lot and can have a good deal of power. I'm not sure if anything more is possible, so I'd assume it's about the same for Japan. |
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2008-11-17, 18:22 | Link #838 | |
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The high school I went to back in the 70s was that way. Even the administration seemed begrudging in their acknowledgement of the smart kids. Principals and teacher supervisiors tended to have majored in phys.ed and the VP "enforcers" were generally coaches -- the sport players tended to garner all the attention. The "other clique" was where all the "weird eggheads" hung out ... those that ended up being lawyers, engineers, doctors, etc. However, our school was predominantly white with a smattering of asians, blacks, and latinos -- but probably over 50% either never went to college or flunked out in the first year. Those of us who made it in college were the exception and those who made it into a top tier college were total anomalies. In retrospect, it seemed like high school was the last chance for the anti-intellectual crowd to lord it over the smart ones. Obviously, this has changed in many parts of the US over the decades since then -- but there's still a very large part of the country that is suspicious of people who do well in school. This is in such direct contrast to Japan's study ethic (and other asian countries) as to invite dumbfounded astonishment from exchange students who come to the US and immigrants (like the Hmong and Vietnamese). As for most US high school student councils.... its unusual for the school administration to allow them to be anything other than a puppet mouthpiece and most of them certainly get no judicial authority. Now in COLLEGE, its a different matter in the US: college student councils often have the same sort of authority you see in japanese high schools. But then keep in mind, you *apply* to go to japanese high schools and have to pass entrance exams - someone will take you eventually even if you suck, but there are definite quality tiers in japanese high schools rather like US colleges.
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2008-11-17, 18:25 | Link #839 | |
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As far as expelling a student... typically that is not power that the student council has. I've personally never heard of such case. It's a typical anime/manga plot device used in various stories - the lawful evil and oppressive student council (president) is just a typical character/group archetype found in many stories. Their authority and abilities are usually a bit exaggerated. I guess they could build a case and present it to the people with the power to do so, but ultimately that's not their power to decide any punishment for any student. |
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2008-11-17, 20:38 | Link #840 | |
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Of course if I misread your statement I apologize. Well, actually, this isn't really related to what you said, I suppose, but that direction always tends to irk me a little. As a side note, if there is indeed anti-intellectualism rooted in American culture, it certainly hasn't seemed to hamper science and technology in the past hundred years.
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