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This truth goes double for those parents that help uphold the law... Justice is blind and should not carry on any bias... To give someone special treatment just because they are family is a form of power abuse... it's disrespectful to every law abiding citizen, and everyone your relative might have wronged; you are essentially saying "my children are above the law". You are holding a double standard... How can Garp be fine with the imprisonment and execution of any other pirate when he would fight to free another who is guilty of the same crimes? How could he call himself an officer of justice and law? Frankly, if you are gonna absolve your child of a crime then you should also be able to absolve ALL criminals who have committed the same crime... atleast then you can argue that you are not giving your child special treatment, but truly believe that the law itself was unjust... That's why this situation has become difficult for Garp... Garp was able to see that killing someone based upon their blood alone is unjust; unborn children carry no sin as roger put it... Garp protected Ace, then he protected Luffy, and by golly he'd probably protect any such person even if he had not come to know them and get attached to them... But Ace became a pirate... The same kind of criminal that Garp hunted down down and punished for decades; Garp has integrity and as such, he can not hold that double standard Quote:
Ace had it rough, he was cursed from birth, but Garp gave him a chance... He gave Ace a shot to live a life free from his father's legacy, free of paying for his father's crimes... but Ace threw that chance away it's a little funny actually... Ace has kinda proved the marines RIGHT in fearing him from birth and proved Garp wrong... I mean, Garp did what he could to put Ace on the path of the marine (opposite of a pirate), and Ace himself HATED his father(who was the greatest pirate)... but what happened? Not only did Ace become a pirate, but he ended up under Whitebeard who was grooming him to become the next pirate king... Despite the steps taken to prevent Ace from following in his father's footsteps, Ace wound up on that path anyway. Quote:
Absolute Justice is defined by law which is defined by your local gov't... this however, can not always be truly be called justice as the gov't is more than capable of being unjust Personal Justice however is what you make of it... however, if you are willing to convict one man of a crime, but willing to absolve a friend/family who committed the SAME crime, then you are definitely NOT caring about your own sense of Justice; your actions fly in the face of justice. Though they are different absolute Justice and personal justice have at least one thing in common and that they are blind... All those who commit a crime, are treated equally... to do otherwise is to disrespect everyone who obeys justice and all those who were convicted of it Last edited by Slayerx; 2009-09-04 at 01:45. |
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2009-09-04, 01:43 | Link #85 |
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Are you kidding this is the WG we are talking about . They would have found out grap could not hide him forever .If ace join the marines you could have bet they would have found about him. The same way they found out when he was a pirate. And after he join them i can see them killing him saying look how pirates kill the pirate king son and use his death to help them.
Are you trying to tell me if he became strong and help the marines they would have not check his background. Grap did not give ace a chance he hide him until he meet a certain age hoping if he made him a marine The WG would not kill him. But grap does not have say in the matter . Ace would live a life in hiding and that not really a life . Why because he was son of the pirate king. Your acting like grap has sort of power he does not he just a VA. This is a world where they kill unborn child because of who the father is why do you think dragon did not want anyone to know anything about him Also are you kidding this is a world where many people that let there child do what the hell they want an but when time comes for them to pay a price they try to get there child out of it . They use the law in there favor when it suit them not mention the more money you have the easier it is to bend and find loopholes in the law . And if your asking your self how grap can hold a double standard the answer is easy he only human. Last edited by andy; 2009-09-04 at 01:55. |
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^Actually, Garp has a large amount of sway in the Marines, and conceivably the WG. How else would he have not been executed already for having the most wanted criminal as a son, and a near infamous pirate grandson, not mention he helped raise the Pirate King's son. No, Garp has a massive amount of sway in the One Piece universe.
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By the way what i am talking about is on chapter 530 page 6 |
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Hell, considering the marines did not know that Dragon was Garp's son, Garp could have lied and said Ace's father was his son and that his Son died in an accident... Considering we are talking about a Marine hero and his upstanding Marine grandson, do you really think the world gov't are gonna keep digging instead of just taking Garp's word for it? Afterall, they don't even suspect that roger COULD have had a son at this point, so they are hardly worried about that being a possibility... Frankly, the marines could easily be quick to conclude that all of Ace's strength was inherited from his grandfather Quote:
Now, putting aside what i said before, let's assume the marines DID find out who Ace's father was... what then? Think about Garp... he is a marine hero, and this has allowed him to get away with actions that a lesser man would have been discharged for (if not worse)... His status offers him some protection... How would the world gov't react to the knowledge that their rising hero, the man people call the next sen goku, is the son of Gold Roger? How would the citizen's react to the news? It would be a PR nightmare... First, the fact that you allowed such infamous blood into the marines in the first place, makes the world gov't look incompetent... Second, Ace is a strong marine and is good with dealing with many pirates and brining them to justice; getting rid of him would mean loosing a great marine weapon... Third, if you moved to execute him, there would be many citizens who look upon Ace's lifetime fighting for good, a life free of crime and sin, and thus would start to question whether or not it is right to end his life based on NOTHING more than the fact that he was Gold Roger's son... not only does the Gov't look incompetent, but they also start to look like tyrants (a correct image that they try to avoid)... The revolutionary groups would have a field day if the world gov't moved to execute Ace So consider the costs vs benefits... what's the best way for a corrupt gov't to act?... A cover up... Erase all evidence of Ace's true origins so that no one else could find out, and act like nothing is amiss... Might even want to go as far as to tell Ace they know just so they can tell him to make sure he doesn't tell anyone himself; explain it to him in a way that he can understand... As far as the public knows, Gold Roger had no heir and the world gov't wiped out his bloodline long ago... Like you said "no sense kill a marine hero and cause trouble for the WG when they have nothing to gain from it." Quote:
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I'm not sure why you are arguing this point. Anyone who has the military history that Garp does would have influence in the world. That does not mean he controls anything of importance (he was tasked, way back in the beginning with bringing the nobody Morgan to a prison - I can't think of a lower task than that for a Vice-Admiral to do), but rather his name recognition is so great that people listen to his words, even if they do not necessarily follow his advice. |
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By the way james me and slayerx were talking about if ace became a marine and the WG found out he was roger son slayerx was saying grap could done some thing about it. I was saying grap has no say in the matter and if Sengoku wanted him dead he could have kill him. Grap may have sway as you said but in matter i was talking about there notting much he could have done about.
slayerx is does not really mater what you think as he said in the manag ' I have no pity for villains" but then he said " family is different". So while he love to do something he can't , he said if could he would have . So saying grap is better than that is wrong . So let drop the topic you think grap is better than that while is plain to see he does hold a double standard if could have ace he would but he does not have the power to to do so . Also edit my post cause we are going to go around in circles . Last edited by andy; 2009-09-04 at 03:45. |
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And it's IF they find out he is roger's son... without the piracy, the likelihood of his secret being reveal goes down, as the marines are not likely to easily accept that such a fine marine could be a the son of the pirate king when their are more "believable" alternatives. Quote:
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Great posts SlayerX
One thing I would add is that for the WG and Marines bending the laws in their own favour is not a "bad thing", it is part of the system. If Ace did become a marine hero then that would have protected him even if the truth was found out. The marines would not want to reveal that one of their best officers is connected to a pirate at all. Sure, if he went against the WG's orders even only once, or failed in a mission, THEN they'd probably suddenly "remember" the fact. So basically the only choice for him would be to become a Rob Lucci-ish sort of character who is trying to prove at every step that he has left his past behind as soon as possible by carrying out his orders without mercy and to the letter (with the knowledge that one failure can earn him the same fate as the recent CP9). Garp's path could not work for him - the Marines would not overlook HIS moments of weakness. |
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Another excellent chapter this week as always, Lots of stuff happening, I think Garp may die protecting Ace and Luffy.
No way is Oars dead, when was the last time Oda actually killed a character non-flashback. DoFlamingo has quickly become the most interesting Shichibukai by far. I hope we get some more insight into his motivations for fighting and past soon. Really pumped for next weeks chapter, Maybe were finally gonna see who luffy's opponent for this fight will be. |
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Truth be told the anime is nearing the end of the Amazon Lily arc and is getting ready for the Impel Down arc. |
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