Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force Manga Discussion

[Justin_Brett]

Well, maybe we'll get to see some of them in this story, depending on how they take Hayate's report. That'd be neat.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I didn't see her trying to chop Thoma to bits, no. Even Cypha was an attempt at capture through subjugation more than an attempt at killing. Isis' words don't mean death, "it's all over" is also used when people go to prison.

I see no evidence whatsoever that Thoma, or any of the Hucks for that matter, are kill on sight targets. In fact, Hayate's speech before the battle begun show the exact opposite. Even though these are the people that killed who knows how many innocents, the TSAB still prioritizes capture over killing.

One could actually make an argument that this goes beyond idealism and into naivety.

As far as Hayate and the Bureau's goals in prioritizing the capture of Touma and the Huckebein over elimination of them does make sense when you consider they want to treat the Eclipse virus and cure anyone else infected by that--and as Touma proves, they haven't been able to do so.

Capturing the Huckebein then becomes pivotal, because if they instead kill them first, that only makes treating other Eclipse-infectees that much harder--they can just point out that they didn't do so with the Huckebein; they only hunted them down and put them down like rabid animals! (which they are, basically, but the point remains the same).

If they did capture and cure the Huckebein, then the TSAB can prove to others they don't have to kill or die because they have the Eclipse. The Huckebein, and by extension Touma, have to end positively for the Bureau if they want an easy time of things down the road. And sadly, it ain't gonna be easy and it's gonna come off as idealistic and naive.

[00-Raiser]

Let me just put it this way:

The Hucks aren't evil to the point where they don't deserve the chance to reform same as anyone else.

[Tiresias]

Anyway, how did Isis react when she hears about Vivio and Einhart? This could be a major spoiler for Nanoha Vivid.

...there's spoilerrific content in Vivid?

[00-Raiser]

I imagine if she went "Hey, those two kids were in the finals of the Inter Mid two years ago!" that would count as a spoiler.

[ZeroIchiNi]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

I imagine if she went "Hey, those two kids were in the finals of the Inter Mid two years ago!" that would count as a spoiler.

"and they Double K.O. each other"

[Tiresias]

Hmm, the possibility is there. It depends on the writing style of the writers though - do they plan all the plots to the tiny detail from the very beginning or just make them up as the story goes on *cough*Takahashi Rumiko*cough*? Then again they could just dodge the risk of spoiler by stating them as "participants of the tournament". Then again, is the Eaglet group based on Mid? It's possible she never even heard of such tournament

I'm more interested in whether those two would contribute to the plot or just namedropped to show a sense of continuity (there were afterall people who once speculated that each manga is a separate continuity )

[Justin_Brett]

The Hucks aren't evil to the point where they don't deserve the chance to reform same as anyone else.

According to you. I can certainly buy them just trying to capture them for PR reasons.

[Rising Dragon]

For the record, I believe the Hucks deserve a chance at redemption as well--after all, the Wolkenritter got their chance as well, and I'm sure their rap sheet is much, much more impressive than the Huckebein Family's. I'm just not discounting the other reasons why the Bureau needs to capture and not kill them.

[00-Raiser]

The Numbers were allowed to reform despite all their bad deeds, a few of them even having killed. The fact that they didn't know any better worked as a mitigating factor, the same way being forced to kill to live would be a mitigating factor for the Hucks. Or are you saying that they should be charged for not killing themselves?

Like I said, they at least deserve a chance to reform after the virus no longer becomes an issue. If they still want to keep killing after wards, then they should get the book thrown at them.

[Mirron]

As Raiser said is really how I feel. Wolkenritter and Numbers got to redeem themselves, so should they. Fate is the only opponent who never did anything really overtly bad as it is.

[ZeroIchiNi]

Didn't they just said that the Eclipse Virus change the infected personality? I hope I heard that wrong. It sounds like a free pass for redemption no matter what they did.

[Justin_Brett]

The Numbers and the Wolkenritter are actually likeable, though. The Huckebeins are terrible characters.

[Rising Dragon]

Matter of opinion--I find the Huckebein likeable well enough. Others didn't find previous characters very likeable when they first appeared, even among the Wolkenritter.

[LostSome]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Matter of opinion--I find the Huckebein well enough. Others didn't find previous characters very likeable when they first appeared, even among the Wolkenritter.

I agree.
I didn`t like the Numbers in StrikerS because Quattro was pretty much the only I could see and I hated her.

[Justin_Brett]

Even in purely objective ways, they're still pretty bad.

[Keroko]

I'm tossing in my coins on the "Hucks deserve redemption just as much as anyone who got redemption before" hat.

Besides, they have the loli. Any side that has the loli gets a shot at redemption.

Precia had loli --> got a shot at redemption --> rejected it.
Wolkies had loli --> got a shot at redemption --> fully redeemed.
Numbers had loli --> got a shot at redemption. --> some got redeemed, those who didn't chose not to.

Graham --> didn't have loli --> got 'urged' to step down.
Regius --> didn't have loli --> died
Brains --> didn't have loli --> died

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Even in purely objective ways, they're still pretty bad.

Hooh? You do realize that this means you can prove they are, right?

Well? Let's see your proof then.

[LostSome]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I'm tossing in my coins on the "Hucks deserve redemption just as much as anyone who got redemption before" hat.

Besides, they have the loli. Any side that has the loli gets a shot at redemption.

Precia had loli --> got a shot at redemption --> rejected it.
Wolkies had loli --> got a shot at redemption --> fully redeemed.
Numbers had loli --> got a shot at redemption. --> some got redeemed, those who didn't chose not to.

Graham --> didn't have loli --> got 'urged' to step down.
Regius --> didn't have loli --> died
Brains --> didn't have loli --> died

Interesting logic.
But yes, killing a seven years old is not the Nanoha`s way.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by LostSome

Interesting logic.
But yes, killing a seven years old is not the Nanoha`s way.

Alicia is now fuming behind your back.

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Alicia is now fuming behind your back.

She was only 6