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Perfect 10 | 92 | 52.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 36 | 20.45% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 16.48% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 6.82% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 2.27% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.57% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.14% | |
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2011-03-03, 12:50 | Link #21 |
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At any rate, Incubator is a being not of this world, and he stated that that it is easier to obtain entropy from the fluttering souls of girls (which indicates that the soul is a source of energy), but there being a loss of entropy in the first place baffles me. Keep in mind that the Incubator has suggested that Madoka can change the laws of the universe...
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2011-03-03, 12:53 | Link #22 |
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I only caught the tail end of the convo, but from my understanding the incubator process is just to make soul gems and shatter them, releasing their energy and using that for whatever it was they were using it for. The become a MG to fight witches just seem like a self replicating excuse to trick young girls into going into a rendering plant to become universe duct tape.
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2011-03-03, 12:53 | Link #23 |
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Whatever the fuck QB said, it's trash. He/they has zero cred, if not negative cred. If the concerned parties will have anything to do about the state of things, they better start an independent investigation on their own part. If they value the well being of the world, they better quarantine QB and torture him for information, which are then confronted with field findings. And they dont need to feel any guilt doing that. Does the little fucker feel any guilt in his callous behavior regarding the information that others need?
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2011-03-03, 12:58 | Link #24 | |
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I don't know, his story is full of holes....
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2011-03-03, 13:06 | Link #25 | |
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2011-03-03, 13:16 | Link #26 | |
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If Kyubey is telling the truth, then he's looking to sacrifice one person to save the universe. Is that really so evil? Is one person's life really worth more than the whole of humanity? Now if he's lying, then he's crossed a threshold here, and is the real antagonist, yes. But to the best of our knowledge, he hasn't lied (i.e. say something that's not factually true) yet, so... And Homura going back in time to prevent Madoka from sacrificing herself to save the universe would fit with what we've seen Homura do and say so far...
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2011-03-03, 13:18 | Link #27 | |
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2011-03-03, 13:19 | Link #28 |
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@Triple R: He can be doing something great for the universe, have the best intentions, maybe even the best solution. Being the *antagonist* does not mean he is *evil* in my book, it just means that his means and method is against the protagonists. Which I believe to be true. I think we are kind of agreement honestly, I think you are just taking what I mean by "real antagonist" a bit the wrong way.
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2011-03-03, 13:22 | Link #29 |
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Well... I dont give a damn even if it's a necessary evil. History proves time and again how the necessary evil are just evil, plain and simple. As recent as 20th century (and even now), people believed that war over resources is a necessary evil. Oil, minerals, metals, you name it. But breakthroughs in science render many of those conflicts unnecessary. Clean energy replaces fuel. Resilient, carefully gene-engineered crops can be planted in harsh lands. New medicines save those who otherwise would have opted for euthanasia. So I dont believe that girls must be sacrificed for the universe's continuing existence. If anything, the mechanism of the universe must be analyzed so that a win-win solution can be obtained; instead of listening to some dubious creepy little fucker who has been caught by tails again and again.
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2011-03-03, 13:22 | Link #30 |
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By the way, additional information to add:
Oktavia von Seckendorff, the witch in episode 9, has a surname which stems from a Frankish nobility family. The name comes from the town of Seckendorf, near Cadolzburg in Bavaria. This family is rather prominent in German history in being statesmen and being generals, with Friedrich Heinrich von Seckendorff, a Bavarian Field Marshal that fought in the war of Polish Succession and Austrian Succession, as well as Adolf von Seckendorff, General of Infantry in the First World War as the latest example.
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Either Kyubey's lying here, or he's not. An awful lot now swings on that, imo. Quote:
Still, I see your point.
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2011-03-03, 13:28 | Link #32 | |
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So after he takes that specific energy, the witches stay, and Madoka would be the strongest witch (as QB admits). What would be the point of "saving the universe" only for the strongest witch to destroy it soon after?
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2011-03-03, 13:30 | Link #33 | |
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Also, just to deconstruct your argument a bit: Clean energy, gene engineered crops, new medicines. So how did we get power and electricity to make new molecules and do this research? At one time it almost certainly came from fossil fuels. Fuels you (as in your country or whomever is funding your research) probably fought over or traded for or something. What if you discover 20 years down the line that your carefully engineered crops are poisoning people and making them sick, BUT it is the only food source left in the world. Would you continue eating/making them? Or would you just die? There's a whole bunch of other arguments I'm sure, and I'm aware of how flimsy and hypothetical mine are as well. I'm just saying things really shouldn't be that clean and neat. |
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2011-03-03, 13:38 | Link #36 | |
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He's basically been giving out just enough information to manipulate others into thinking how he wants them to think. If I told you that food was going to go up in price tomorrow, what is the first question you would ask? It probably wouldn't be "but what about the day after that?". Now if I said that food was going up tomorrow and that the price would drop the next day, your question would be completely different. By telling you the first statement, I can use that to manipulate you to do things like say....buy a ton of food immediately for fear of the high cost tomorrow. But if you knew that the price would drop the next day, you would just wait. In our moral system, we tend to frown on this behavior even though it is a known business practice. For example, someone could post a misleading news article that omits certain facts, or publish a rumor of scarcity for a product when there really isn't one. A known practice in many stores is to keep shelves half stocked, to give you the impression that the item is popular and might be sold out if you do not buy it right there. Poor knowledge of all sides of the story impairs your judgment and creates poor decision making. Compound this with say, strong emotion, and you have a recipe for disastrous decision making impulses. Why Kyubey is the perfect person for this job is because he is disarming. He's a smooth talker, he's cute, he's never aggressive, and he "technically" doesn't lie. He's able to deflect criticism by saying things like "you didn't ask". He's the ultimate salesman.
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2011-03-03, 13:41 | Link #38 |
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It's in the nature of humans to realize a mistake and then fix it. They know that there are problems with fuel (to put it mildly), and try to steer themselves into using clean energy. The same goes with crops. By "carefully engineered", it means that the crops are always under all kind of scrutiny, testing, etc to make it safe, for now and for the future. And things are _never_ clean and neat. Scientists make all kind of theories all the time, some has stronger bases than others, and then some of them are proven right (and become new bases) and some of them are proven wrong (which most people outside the labs rarely see). My point is that no one should be jumping the gun just because it's the most obvious action at the time.
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2011-03-03, 13:48 | Link #39 |
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I'm not fluent in Japanese, so no, I haven't watched it yet. I was going by the spoilers provided by other posters (which previously didn't include what you brought up there).
I'm going to wait until I watch the subs before commenting further, given how things are perhaps more complex than how they initially came off to me in those earlier spoilers.
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