Nishino Gakunai Caste Saikai Ni Shite Ino Sekai Saikyo No Shonen

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by sasabit

Well I always liked Esther from Tanaka but shame people hate her just cuz she isnt virgin... it seems like this story's Esther might have a chance? lol

People dislike her bec she dumped her lover for a bigger dick not because of virginity.

[kurosa]

@sasabit

Many people hate her due to diffenret reasons.

Some are hipocrats who hate her for being a "slut" (had sex only one time) but you don see that same people throwing shit to Allen (a manwhore) or Sophie (sluttier).
Other problem that I saw a lot in manga threads is because readers believe she cheat on him (Threesome) despite them not being a couple.
Some (Me included) hate the attitude she had with Tanaka at the beginning, but it doesn't mean that you have to keep hating her when she already changed. I actually like Esther when she is not stupid bitch (attitude).
Some hate her just because she dump Allen.

@Kuroageha

People dislike her because she dumped her lover for a bigger dick not because of virginity.

What? No, she didn't dump Allen 'cause Tanaka is bigger, she blushed when she saw his dick because she was embarrassed like any girl would do or a boy would do if they saw a pussy, that's a normal reaction it doesn't mean she fell for him.

She even stated in her diary how she fell in love with Tanaka.

Spoiler:

"Volume 2: Dragon Extermination - Final Chapter"

I returned a few days ago from the dragon hunt and I find myself resting in my room at the inn, I rejected Allen who wanted to talk to me and I find myself alone in my bed; all this to be able to organize the things that affect my heart.

There are many reasons why I wanted to be an adventurer.

One of the reasons is that I was disgusted with my boring school days, also because I wanted to put into practice the magic I have learned, I wanted to show my father my power and there were several other trivial reasons more than I can count on.

The manifestation of my disgust with my environment was when the adventurers began to invite their friends and acquaintances, it is not right at this time to clarify that they were not adventurers but aspiring adventurers.

It was nothing but a sham.

The reason I urinated in front of the High Orc was because I was also an applicant. It was completely unexpected that we will get rid of a dragon, even in the empire those who have received the title of Dragon Slayer can be counted in one hand.

I do not say that I was watching, I did the best I could with the magic that Cyan (Sophie) taught me, the result was unexpected, an attack that could leave you deaf.

However, the damage it did on the dragon was trivial.

The damage it (Dragon) received from Fahren-sama was enormous.

He himself could be a Dragon Slayer.

However, the world (Destiny) would not tolerate this.

After defeating the red dragon, an ancient dragon (Loligon) appeared a creature whose wisdom goes beyond imagination.

It was so powerful that I thought I was going to die. I regretted as we were all going to die anyway, for not giving my vaginal virginity to Allen and not just the backside.

As a witness of her (Loligon) existence, I feared and admired her at the same time. It was so overwhelming.

We all remain silent unable to say or do anything.

In the middle of everything, only he stepped forward.

After that started something that I never saw in my life.

Just remembering it makes my crotch itch.

It was so cool.

I remember what happened before.

When he help me on the ship, I get a little wet.

Everyone was desperate trying to know what to do, he just jumped and hug me. The fat on a body of medium age in which you can not feel much muscle was impressive. His arms were warmer than I thought.

I got a little wet when I saw him fly around the dragon, as if it was a game.

His fly magic was infinite. It is generally said that people cannot fly like birds, although floating is possible if you really try, I really tried. Seriously.

I got quite wet when I saw him face the dragon.

The enemy was even bigger than the ship we used to reach Mount Pepe.

Despite being such a big monster, he stepped forward without hesitation and this was recorded in my memory.

It hurt me so much to have been taken as hostage and to be at her mercy.

Sorry.

But he did not lose.

I was overwhelmed by the surprises that came later, he never stopped getting up without even putting a hand on his enemy. That's because of me and suddenly with a smile on his face, he refused to leave me and he never blame me.

Thanks to that I was totally soaked.

I'm jealous.

Just thinking about him, I can't help to get wet and I can't help it.

It was great.

It was so cool.

I can no longer control it.

In my room I am proud to remember the events of the last days. My body and my mind keep remembering his parts. I can't get it out of my head. I dream about it every night since I arrived in the capital of Calis.

The moans don't stop coming out of my mouth.

This is not good.

I need to do something.

What I feel for Allen is a fundamentally different emotion.

How wonderful it would be to feel him touch me from the inside.

Just thinking about it, I go crazy.

I'm used to being loved, it's normal to be told that they love me because I am the daughter of a great family of the nobility. It was always like this.

Or so I thought.

It's this man that I should ask. I understood that this time I would be on the side that says it.

I wish from the bottom of my heart to have this man's child.

Oh, it feels so good.

As I write this.

Oh oh oh oh

I made a loud moan.

But the more I think, the better it feels.

I want to marry him, I want to get pregnant, I want to have his son.

I want it and it drives me crazy.

Cyan may have heard me from the room next door. "

The reasons that make her fall for Tanaka were:

- Kindness (She as the someone who has been taught all her life to act perfect (Like any noble girl) and needs approbation (As we can see in her attitude with her dad) became a hindrance -hostage- yet he refused to leave her and never blame her, swore to ever be by her side no matter.)

- Admiration (She like Fahren admires magic)

- Bravery (Where other doubt or were afraid, he acted even risking his own safety (Wyvern).)

- Every man she met always told her that she was beautiful and that they loved her so her perspective of love was dull and hollow and never felt what meant to be truly loved or being in love (I'm used to being loved, it's normal to be told that they love me because I am the daughter of a great family of the nobility. It was always like this.)

As she said (What I feel for Allen is a fundamentally different emotion) it's because what she feels for him is just passion, what she liked about him it's just his appearance just like how 95% of all girls in this serie react towards Allen (Cyan, Sofia, her classmates, commoner girls in High Orc attack, every single woman in fitzclarence party, etc.)


Allen was just the chad in school that every girl had a crush and later appears a guy that makes them forget about him.

[SillyPudding]

Originally Posted by kurosa

@sasabit

Many people hate her due to diffenret reasons.

Some are hipocrats who hate her for being a "slut" (had sex only one time) but you don see that same people throwing shit to Allen (a manwhore) or Sophie (sluttier).
Other problem that I saw a lot in manga threads is because readers believe she cheat on him (Threesome) despite them not being a couple.
Some (Me included) hate the attitude she had with Tanaka at the beginning, but it doesn't mean that you have to keep hating her when she already changed. I actually like Esther when she is not stupid bitch (attitude).
Some hate her just because she dump Allen.

@Kuroageha



What? No, she didn't dump Allen 'cause Tanaka is bigger, she blushed when she saw his dick because she was embarrassed like any girl would do or a boy would do if they saw a pussy, that's a normal reaction it doesn't mean she fell for him.

She even stated in her diary how she fell in love with Tanaka.

Spoiler:

"Volume 2: Dragon Extermination - Final Chapter"

I returned a few days ago from the dragon hunt and I find myself resting in my room at the inn, I rejected Allen who wanted to talk to me and I find myself alone in my bed; all this to be able to organize the things that affect my heart.

There are many reasons why I wanted to be an adventurer.

One of the reasons is that I was disgusted with my boring school days, also because I wanted to put into practice the magic I have learned, I wanted to show my father my power and there were several other trivial reasons more than I can count on.

The manifestation of my disgust with my environment was when the adventurers began to invite their friends and acquaintances, it is not right at this time to clarify that they were not adventurers but aspiring adventurers.

It was nothing but a sham.

The reason I urinated in front of the High Orc was because I was also an applicant. It was completely unexpected that we will get rid of a dragon, even in the empire those who have received the title of Dragon Slayer can be counted in one hand.

I do not say that I was watching, I did the best I could with the magic that Cyan (Sophie) taught me, the result was unexpected, an attack that could leave you deaf.

However, the damage it did on the dragon was trivial.

The damage it (Dragon) received from Fahren-sama was enormous.

He himself could be a Dragon Slayer.

However, the world (Destiny) would not tolerate this.

After defeating the red dragon, an ancient dragon (Loligon) appeared a creature whose wisdom goes beyond imagination.

It was so powerful that I thought I was going to die. I regretted as we were all going to die anyway, for not giving my vaginal virginity to Allen and not just the backside.

As a witness of her (Loligon) existence, I feared and admired her at the same time. It was so overwhelming.

We all remain silent unable to say or do anything.

In the middle of everything, only he stepped forward.

After that started something that I never saw in my life.

Just remembering it makes my crotch itch.

It was so cool.

I remember what happened before.

When he help me on the ship, I get a little wet.

Everyone was desperate trying to know what to do, he just jumped and hug me. The fat on a body of medium age in which you can not feel much muscle was impressive. His arms were warmer than I thought.

I got a little wet when I saw him fly around the dragon, as if it was a game.

His fly magic was infinite. It is generally said that people cannot fly like birds, although floating is possible if you really try, I really tried. Seriously.

I got quite wet when I saw him face the dragon.

The enemy was even bigger than the ship we used to reach Mount Pepe.

Despite being such a big monster, he stepped forward without hesitation and this was recorded in my memory.

It hurt me so much to have been taken as hostage and to be at her mercy.

Sorry.

But he did not lose.

I was overwhelmed by the surprises that came later, he never stopped getting up without even putting a hand on his enemy. That's because of me and suddenly with a smile on his face, he refused to leave me and he never blame me.

Thanks to that I was totally soaked.

I'm jealous.

Just thinking about him, I can't help to get wet and I can't help it.

It was great.

It was so cool.

I can no longer control it.

In my room I am proud to remember the events of the last days. My body and my mind keep remembering his parts. I can't get it out of my head. I dream about it every night since I arrived in the capital of Calis.

The moans don't stop coming out of my mouth.

This is not good.

I need to do something.

What I feel for Allen is a fundamentally different emotion.

How wonderful it would be to feel him touch me from the inside.

Just thinking about it, I go crazy.

I'm used to being loved, it's normal to be told that they love me because I am the daughter of a great family of the nobility. It was always like this.

Or so I thought.

It's this man that I should ask. I understood that this time I would be on the side that says it.

I wish from the bottom of my heart to have this man's child.

Oh, it feels so good.

As I write this.

Oh oh oh oh

I made a loud moan.

But the more I think, the better it feels.

I want to marry him, I want to get pregnant, I want to have his son.

I want it and it drives me crazy.

Cyan may have heard me from the room next door. "

The reasons that make her fall for Tanaka were:

- Kindness (She as the someone who has been taught all her life to act perfect (Like any noble girl) and needs approbation (As we can see in her attitude with her dad) became a hindrance -hostage- yet he refused to leave her and never blame her, swore to ever be by her side no matter.)

- Admiration (She like Fahren admires magic)

- Bravery (Where other doubt or were afraid, he acted even risking his own safety (Wyvern).)

- Every man she met always told her that she was beautiful and that they loved her so her perspective of love was dull and hollow and never felt what meant to be truly loved or being in love (I'm used to being loved, it's normal to be told that they love me because I am the daughter of a great family of the nobility. It was always like this.)

As she said (What I feel for Allen is a fundamentally different emotion) it's because what she feels for him is just passion, what she liked about him it's just his appearance just like how 95% of all girls in this serie react towards Allen (Cyan, Sofia, her classmates, commoner girls in High Orc attack, every single woman in fitzclarence party, etc.)


Allen was just the chad in school that every girl had a crush and later appears a guy that makes them forget about him.

I think its more of a projection kind of thing which I totally get. You assume a girl was into this guy (she's taken if you will), then all of a sudden she says shes into you. What does that say about her? We know she's not that bad because we can read into her inner thoughts. But if this happened in real life? I wouldn't know what to think of it except to feel sorry for the other guy who got dumped cuz he's a genuinely nice guy. Her situation is rather hard and I don't blame other guys for not liking her.

[kurosa]

I think its more of a projection kind of thing which I totally get. You assume a girl was into this guy (she's taken if you will), then all of a sudden she says shes into you. What does that say about her? We know she's not that bad because we can read into her inner thoughts. But if this happened in real life? I wouldn't know what to think of it except to feel sorry for the other guy who got dumped cuz he's a genuinely nice guy. Her situation is rather hard and I don't blame other guys for not liking her

Let's use the IRL example as you said.

Let's say you had start dating one of the most beautiful girls in school (no deep feelings just sexual attraction like Esther), you and her don't share any intereset (magic in Esther's case) you just start hanging around for the last few months (IIRC Tanaka, orc mission was one of Esther's first adventures) like you could do with any person, then a new girl moves to your block, you met her in the store, you start talking, became friends, etc.

She's superb in the things you like (Magic), you admire her and even want to be more like her (Tanaka's fireball), suddenly you realized you developed feelings for her. Are you not allowed to want to be with her? Would you not just end the relationship and then try to go for the girl you really like?

Damn you even catch your gf (Allen) cheat you with your friend (Sophie) yet you are the bad one for breaking up?

Again Esther-haters are hypocrites.



The problem is author make it way to rushed and everything in front of Allen and that sucks as readers tend to reflect themselves with characters, but as you said we know Esther didn't have any bad intention she just said I want to be this guy and I don't want to wait.

[Kuroageha]

You took the bigger dick metaphor literally dude.

Originally Posted by SillyPudding

I think its more of a projection kind of thing which I totally get. You assume a girl was into this guy (she's taken if you will), then all of a sudden she says shes into you. What does that say about her? We know she's not that bad because we can read into her inner thoughts. But if this happened in real life? I wouldn't know what to think of it except to feel sorry for the other guy who got dumped cuz he's a genuinely nice guy. Her situation is rather hard and I don't blame other guys for not liking her.

It doesn't help Allen is friends with Tanaka which is a bro codex violation going after your friend's ex/girl.

Anyway, ending it here, this isn't Tanaka thread. Keep it on it's respective thread.

[SillyPudding]

So I really hate the cool guy

Spoiler for the cool guy at school:

Rose chokes him and he almost died. His last thoughts before almost choking to death is remembering all the times he had sex and how he regrets he couldn't do 3P with rose and the silver Loli (Gabriela). Then he somehow got a power that allows his body fluids to become acid but he hates it because now he can't have sex with regular girls. The only girl he might be able to have sex with and not kill her is rose since she can regenerate. The funny thing is that he's developing an inferiority complex against nishino throughout the series and after finding out that he's the top in the underworld

[Log]

Just read what's translated of this. It's decent and I found Nishino a surprisingly deep and sympathetic character. My main gripe with this is that the riajuu in this series is beyond dumb and seem to only exist to act like assholes to Nishino.

For those that have read the raws does Nishino have better luck with girls that are not Rose or naw? Also any type of spoiler people are interested in sharing would be nice.

[Velox0blivio]

Rose and the silver hair loli is the only one confirmed.
Latest raw seems like Francisca has proposed a business marriage.
Class pres seem to show "hints", but... tbd

There was also a girl(Igarashi?) from the part-time job that might've turned into something real... but it's probably a one-shot for that volume

[Kuroageha]

Having read the batch of updates I have to say I sincerely pray for the author this work is never ever adapted to anime.
Author seriously shot himself in the foot by pulling an Ume so early on with Shimizu.

For reference Ume is a character from Ben-to, a series animated by David Productions. Tldr she was a bitch that physically beat the shit out of MC for no reason. When ep9 came to the anime there was a massive backslash from the audience that affected the series' pre sales for all of it's merchandising to the point it bend the author to basically rewrite Ume's character in the LN.

Here it's worse in comparison and I doubt the audience would forgive Nishino compared to Satou.

[Log]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Having read the batch of updates I have to say I sincerely pray for the author this work is never ever adapted to anime.
Author seriously shot himself in the foot by pulling an Ume so early on with Shimizu.

For reference Ume is a character from Ben-to, a series animated by David Productions. Tldr she was a bitch that physically beat the shit out of MC for no reason. When ep9 came to the anime there was a massive backslash from the audience that affected the series' pre sales for all of it's merchandising to the point it bend the author to basically rewrite Ume's character in the LN.

Here it's worse in comparison and I doubt the audience would forgive Nishino compared to Satou.

I don't really see the comparison between Ume and Shimizu unless you're talking about something after volume 2.

In Ume's case she was meant to be a gag character. She's the "hahaha look at this violent jealous lesbian chick abusing the MC. So funny XD" type of character similar to Kuroko from To Aru. Her issue was always that for a gag character she was hopelessly unfunny and she had no other notable qualities or backstory, or even interesting character dynamcis in the anime for the audience to cheer for or even hate unlike Kuroko who had some other qualities besides being a crazy lesbian chick. Basically if you're just a gag character with no other traits and you're not funny, there's no point in your character existing.

In Shimizu's case her beating the MC was played for drama. Before that she was a bitch but she didn't physically abuse the MC until that incident involving the money combined with how (from her perspective) the MC was only getting the the way of her cultural festival which caused her to snap. Her beating the Nishino who is usually so unflappable, is treated as something serious instead of something meant to be laughed off and for good or bad it also represents a change in character dynamics between the two after Nishino convinced her to stop. Don't get me wrong, I still hate her character (especially when she didn't show any remorse for wrongfully beating Nishino) but unlike anime Ume I could understand why her character exists.

I don't disagree with you on the premise that her character and the scene in general will be hated if it got adapted into a anime but it won't be for the same reason as Ume.

[Kuroageha]

No. Your comparison is the one wrong.

Kuroko is never seen trying to get on Touma's life nor she harbours Malice towards him for petty reasons.
She is the perverted friend Mikoto has blown up to eleven.

Ume was a poor attempt of a gag character that author made more intense and got a huge backslash because it want funny at all.

My comparison to Shimizu was the pointless malice that ends as bullying isn't meant to be funny here or if it was the author utterly failed.


Back to my main point: Ume was hated for pointless violence and Shimizu will be hated even more because she has worse traits on her.

[Velox0blivio]

It's fine, Shimizu will get some character dev when the out sea trip arc comes around. Nishino's existence will further make her question her social standing and her understanding. Plus, she even let him sleep in the same bed as him.

[Kuroageha]

Ofc she will because Rose has her wrapped around her finger. She no longer has freedom.

[SillyPudding]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

No. Your comparison is the one wrong.

Kuroko is never seen trying to get on Touma's life nor she harbours Malice towards him for petty reasons.
She is the perverted friend Mikoto has blown up to eleven.

Ume was a poor attempt of a gag character that author made more intense and got a huge backslash because it want funny at all.

My comparison to Shimizu was the pointless malice that ends as bullying isn't meant to be funny here or if it was the author utterly failed.


Back to my main point: Ume was hated for pointless violence and Shimizu will be hated even more because she has worse traits on her.

Yea, I completely agree that Shimuzu will be extremely hated if that is animated. Doesn't matter if she gets better later on. For no reason, she hits him until his teeth fly out and states to herself it doesn't matter if Nishino is innocent or not as she just wants to protect her rank in the class caste.

[Ruki0089]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Having read the batch of updates I have to say I sincerely pray for the author this work is never ever adapted to anime.
Author seriously shot himself in the foot by pulling an Ume so early on with Shimizu.

For reference Ume is a character from Ben-to, a series animated by David Productions. Tldr she was a bitch that physically beat the shit out of MC for no reason. When ep9 came to the anime there was a massive backslash from the audience that affected the series' pre sales for all of it's merchandising to the point it bend the author to basically rewrite Ume's character in the LN.

Here it's worse in comparison and I doubt the audience would forgive Nishino compared to Satou.

Reading this made me smile a lot. I hate Ume so much from Ben to. I skipped all her scenes.
But author rewrite her character? Wow. Too little too late

[Velox0blivio]

hmmm... we'll see? Class pres interaction to Nishino gets alot less after volume 4 (trip arc). I do foresee her coming back after the current latest raw (volume 8 i think?) though.

Volume 2, is basically trying to paint the picture of how rock bottom Nishino is in terms of the school hierarchy, and that Nishino is actually pretty damn smart... even more so when he tries. It's really there to show that even though he tries so hard in the background, his social standing still doesn't improve (but he'll still keep on trying). Hell, throughout the story he'll always put his classmate safety above all else even though they treat him like crap, which kinda net him the silver hair loli's heart even though she's a lesbo (you'll see the line from color illus.)

Shimizu will get a bit of a stance in the underworld thanks to the community she created for her... "dance video", and she'll also get connected to Francisca due to it. Ah, but she's definitely a b!tch in Volume 2. You're supposed to get the "haha serves you right, asshole" feel when finished reading it as you discover Rose is actually madly in love with Nishino.

[CNine]

From adult PoV, It's hard to understand the sentiment in This novel.

[Kuroageha]

It's quite hard to feel empathy towards Nishino because for someone who wants to be normal he does the extreme opposite.

[Log]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

No. Your comparison is the one wrong.

Kuroko is never seen trying to get on Touma's life nor she harbours Malice towards him for petty reasons.
She is the perverted friend Mikoto has blown up to eleven.

Ume was a poor attempt of a gag character that author made more intense and got a huge backslash because it want funny at all.

My comparison to Shimizu was the pointless malice that ends as bullying isn't meant to be funny here or if it was the author utterly failed.


Back to my main point: Ume was hated for pointless violence and Shimizu will be hated even more because she has worse traits on her.

IIRC Kuroko calls Touma a ape (or something like that), insults him for little reason and has hit him several times. I would call that malice for petty reasons.

Ume was a poor attempt of a gag character that author made more intense and got a huge backslash because it want funny at all.

My comparison to Shimizu was the pointless malice that ends as bullying isn't meant to be funny here or if it was the author utterly failed.


Back to my main point: Ume was hated for pointless violence and Shimizu will be hated even more because she has worse traits on her.

My point is that Shimizu is designed to be hated unlike Ume who is designed to be funny. You weren't suppose to read volume 1/2 and think that Shimizu was a likable character.

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

It's quite hard to feel empathy towards Nishino because for someone who wants to be normal he does the extreme opposite.

I don't get the impression from volume 1/2 that he wanted to be normal. He wants to experience romance with a girl but he seems pretty content with his life in the underworld and doesn't try to get out of it.

[cabman11]

Originally Posted by Nymene

Here is MF Bunko's special page for it : https://mfbunkoj.jp/special/nishino/

Here is the character relationship chart :

Spoiler for image:

what do the colors mean

Originally Posted by SillyPudding

Holy crap, it took awhile but

Spoiler for future event:

she found out that he lied about her having sex with him. She then proceeds to beat the ever loving hell out of him but he develops some kind of power. If the ln follows the plot progression, this will happen in vol 7

what chapter? anyone?