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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 32 | 29.36% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 34 | 31.19% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 22.02% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 11.01% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 4.59% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.92% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.92% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-06-22, 21:25 | Link #221 | |
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I guess for this person, episode 7 doesn't... really count. - Tak |
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2008-06-22, 21:44 | Link #222 |
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Yep. It was like a TTGL fanboy who watched a couple Macross episodes wrote it, rather than someone who actually wanted to portray a real battle. Oh, but everyone here is satisfied with it. Afterall, it had the missle bukkake, it had the Destroy (those got blown away by the hundreds in the original series), a little sniping sequence courteousy of Michael, oh, and not to mention Alto screaming and Luca managing to get himself captured.
And Quarter's "Gar" transformation sequence! So far Frontier is more about Ranka becoming a star than "fleet" battles, which is fine by me, but no one should hold any illusions that just because the CG looks good and the choregraphy is even better, that the battle scenarios haven't suffered quite a bit since the original series. |
2008-06-22, 22:29 | Link #223 | |
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Otherwise, it's a bit too... Gundam-y in here. lately. |
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2008-06-22, 22:42 | Link #224 | |
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2008-06-23, 00:11 | Link #225 | |
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Frontier by comparison has alot of screaming and gems like "Smell my ass". The reality is Frontier does conspiracies and piloting duels. It doesn't have fleet battles, and heck, arguably it doesn't even do real squadron based stuff, because it seems like everyone just flies off and does their own thing, leaving Alto alone to hog the spotlight. |
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2008-06-23, 01:24 | Link #226 | |
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However awkwardly, there have been several situations where there were "Real Squadron based stuff", such as in episode 2, episode 7 with Ozma calling out orders to assist Alto, and episode 9. By far, alto hasn't gotten much spotlight at all in combat (He has the most screentime, but hey he's a main character so obviously). Ozma has been the glory whore from what I've seen. |
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2008-06-23, 07:19 | Link #229 | |
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Not to mention he wasn't even the best pilot - Tak |
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2008-06-23, 11:12 | Link #231 | ||
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And yes, the Vajra side of things hasn't been explored, but just because they don't speak a language we understand doesn't mean we can't understand them or what they're doing. What the show really needs is some biologist that's studied their behavior or tactics or whatever. You're also right that Alto hasn't really done much as fighting is concerned, but fighting itself is so small scale in this series, there's not much to go around (Klan had diddly screentime in episode seven, where everyone else saw some action at least). It still doesn't change the fact that pilots act alone, unless Michael is providing support from a convinently located asteriod nearby. Quote:
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2008-06-23, 17:07 | Link #233 | |
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No biologist ever studied their behavior or tactic, because there had never been an opportunity to do that. And why we need a 'biologist'? The Vajra isn't something a mere biologist would comprehend. Not to mention Alto & co. certainly aren't fighting for the sake of fighting. The only thing they managed to do so far is to respond as rapidly as possible whenever Vajras are sighted because they have no idea where the Vajra came from. Beyond that, there is little can do aside from launching occasional attacks against Vajra fleets attacking a neighboring colony, like the Galaxy. We are talking about an alien specie capable of folding in and out freely even if obstacles that would otherwise hinder a similar attempt by the NUNS. The Zentradi in SDF Macross is a different story. The Zentradi were a far more visible enemy, while the Vajra tend to hide in the shadows. - Tak |
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2008-06-23, 18:58 | Link #234 | |||
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Even knowing if the Vajra know anything about the Colony Fleet and it's inhabitants is significant in of itself. Yet, the best they could come up with was something about a "nest" being somewhere "nearby" (nearby being somewhere within a few lightyears and near the galactic core that's alot places) and there's even the chance of that not being a natural occurence, since Grace was privy to it's location. And whatever meaning Ranka has to them. Quote:
Yeah, it's a kooky conspiracy theory, but that's all Frontier's offered up. They're not telling a story, they're counting on viewers wanting to draw their own conclusions without giving anything to go on, and it's pissing me off. And personally I'm not impressed with the apparent significance of folding in as they please. Really, if they can come in and bitch slap Frontier any time they choose, get it over with, because I'm tired of Leon and whomever conspiring to exploit the Vajra somehow. Quote:
Really, I'm fully prepared to just accept the fact Frontier is fundamentally different from SDF, that it's more interested in portraying dogfights between a small number of pilots with a musical number playing in the background, while building up Ranka Lee's character the rest of the time, but I won't accept the general statement that "Macross has fleet battles and is alot different from Gundam" when Frontier so far has not. |
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2008-06-23, 20:51 | Link #235 |
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Fleet battles?
More like running away to keep the civvies alive. Same but different principle here. SDF Macross was a refugee story while M7 and Frontier are pioneer story. Only with more ship space instead of a mere city an entire country. Population size reflects that. |
2008-06-23, 21:41 | Link #236 | ||
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Yes, I know, "Fleet" might not be the appropiate word come to think of it. It was mostly Macross and it's VF squadrons vs. battlepods, while being stalked by capital ships that never really engaged. So far anyway (on episode 10).
Still, there was an emphasis on there being some kind of battleplan on the Zentradi side of things, and the Macross itself usually had to come up with it's own plan to counter whatever was cooked up. There was more chatter, there was more 'implied' coordination, and there was no Idol singing her damn heart out. Hikaru's squadron was just another of many, and the formidability of the Zentradi wasn't really ever in doubt even after being defeated numerous times, unlike the Vajra who had their asses completely handed to them in episode 7. Quote:
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Frontier is more like a developed 1st World nation. Gullible population being manipulated by the government, the media, Sheryl, and distracted with the latest thing in the news like "hydra" epidemics threatening their pristine artifical enviroments, or cute little Ranka winning their decadent little hearts. In truth the story so far has a more vested interest in what happens to the SMS crew than what happens to Frontier itself. Let the spoiled populace be 'om nom nom'd by the Vajra. It's the least they deserve for living in a replica of San Fransico. |
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2008-06-23, 22:01 | Link #237 | |||
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Look, this is just like what the Zents were up to back in the original. If the Zents wanted to bitch-slap Earth silly, they would and eventually DID. Blowing Earth up into bits and leaving almost nothing alive on the ground. The Vajra have shown to be just as capable of doing such things. It swarmed the Galaxy, didn't it? But while they didn't, I suspect an ulterior motive not yet discovered, it nonetheless allow Alto and co. to find out more about them, which is always good. Otherwise, we won't have a show. Quote:
The sole exception to this is MS08 team, which to this day, remains my favorite Gundam franchise out of the entire UC timeline. - Tak |
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Like I said, Frontier has more incommon with Gundam than it does with it's predecessor. A proper portrayal of a military and fighter squadrons tearing eachother to pieces, in favor of one on one dogfights where lots of chasing and grappling happens, and no one dies from missles or gunfire, unless it's bukake or Michael sniping. |
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2008-06-23, 23:29 | Link #239 | ||||
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Character opinions were also plenty in that episode. Except, when they were finally trying to get down and perform an autopsy, the friggin bug just revived itself. Sure they have. First episode, bitch slapped the Frontier Colonial Fleet for fun, went as deep into the city and causing havoc until Ozma intervened. We don't know what they want, yet, but I guess it has something to do with Ranka (obviously). Quote:
And you can't expect everyone to talk about Vajra as if it was that overwhelming of a threat. Yes, it is indeed a serious threat, but hey, life goes on. People have other things to worry about than creatures they have little idea of. Although I suspect that is about to change. Quote:
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Moreover, it was all squadron combat in Episode 4, and especially Episode 7. The way Ozma ordered Alto to stay closely behind to securing the Konigs Monster's deployment. The way where instructions were relayed is rather specific. I don't know how much you want from this. Fact is, in Gundam, pilots rarely, if at all, coordinate. They just show up, and pick their fights. A friendly assisting the 'ace' in Gundam is almost a bonus. As for a proper portrayal of military dogfights, we've seen plenty of those in Episode 1, where the VF-171s went in, and tore each other to pieces. Then again, you realized Frontier was another ballpark. Its not focusing on the military, but rather a civilian military service. The focus is on Alto and his teammates, not the broader perspective of the military as it is in SDF Macross. Even so, there are serious squadron coordination involved, why you choose to dismiss them is beyond me. - Tak |
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2008-06-23, 23:38 | Link #240 | ||
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Anyhow, I think both series want to focus on the characters as much as the mechas involved. But in very different ways; Macross I think has a more personal focus (you see this especially in the love triangle), while Gundam 00 was very much into high politics and the like. Of course, the differences shouldn't be overstated--there is a larger political narrative in Frontier, and Gundam 00 also looks at its characters' personal dynamics, but there is definitely a different set of weights given to these issues in each series. |
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