2005-12-28, 07:55 | Link #101 | |
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But a comment: now you see, that's why you're shallow Dreamless. You don't see the purpose that the twins' love serves in the story and character develpoment....okay I guess I can't blame you (for now) since it hasn't actually happened in the anime yet, but in tha novels, which the anime is following very closely, Spoiler:
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2005-12-28, 08:23 | Link #102 | |
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Shinji it's great to see that fool smacked by you and several others about episode 6 back in the old Shana thread and even in this new thread . And if he thinks Sns is 2nd grade anime , I'm so curious to know what the hell series is the 1st grade animes for him . |
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2005-12-28, 08:34 | Link #103 | |
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2005-12-28, 09:08 | Link #104 | |
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Now, now...We don't have to lower our levels to that, do we? We can't decide how small the dinosaur's brain is, and we definitely can't decide to change the shallowness of certain arguments. It won't get us anywhere. Apparently, if some people can't see the big picture, let them rave by themselves.
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again (even if it is in other forums): Shakugan no Shana started out with its main themes on fantasy as well as the supernatural, slowly moving to drama, romance and even humor. It may not have the 'best' in drama, but it warrants at the very least a 'good'. Drama aside, the development of plot as well as characters are good. It adopts a mostly 'the calm before the storm' episode for episodes 9, 10 and 11. These three show how they Yuuji and Shana live (or attempt to live) a normal life like normal kids. Aside from the fanservice, I would think these are rather normal episodes, but they provide character development for Shana, who had been coming to terms with her emotions as well as Yuuji, who, like any normal male teenager, feels that he is useless because he can't help Shana much. Now...Other than those few scenes/episodes of fanservice, if you can't provide a concrete argument, dreamless, please stay out of the critics' corner in this thread. Thank you very much. |
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2005-12-28, 09:19 | Link #105 |
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I do have to say though, the show isn't nearly as interesting now as it was in its early episodes (minus episode 1). About the most I can say about the show in its current form is that it presents what is fundamentally uninspired material well enough that it seems worth continuing with, on the hope that it will become more like its early episodes again at some point.
In that respect, I'm actually continuing to watch it for much the same reasons as I was watching the early episodes of Shuffle, funnily enough. |
2005-12-28, 09:27 | Link #106 | |
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2005-12-28, 12:20 | Link #109 | |
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No problem here with fan service or the story the show is trying tell. Just that the music seems to be getting on the way of the effort of story telling.
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2005-12-28, 13:06 | Link #110 | |
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2005-12-28, 13:06 | Link #111 |
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Anyone know the planned episode lengh of the series? Also, how long were the novels?
I din't much care for the first episode but tuck with it and now this my other current favorite next to Mai-Otome. Excellent characterization and I find the whole action-drama-romance package is unusually well paced. Anyone saying the show is loli is completely ignoring the matter of art style choice. Characters here are simply drawn in a generally more compact manner, I think the swimsuit episode makes it quite clear that they are all around 14-ish and Shana is just a bit underdeveloped. Also, I have to say the introduction of the twins was one of the few things to shock me in the past couple of years worth of anime. Not due to the fact itself, but because of how the producers just decided to throw it out there instead of the usual "subtly implied" situations typical in such shows. |
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2005-12-28, 15:12 | Link #113 | |
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On the series though, the novel is 11 volumes. So how far are we now into the novels? What volume is the anime approximately on? Is it conceivable that there will have to be a second season for SnS to go through all of the novel that's out now? |
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2005-12-28, 16:15 | Link #114 | |
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I can't think of anything that SnS is really doing wrong... But the battles, dialogues, and interactions between Shana and her enemies (guze no tomogara, etc.) were kind of bland. It's not so much that I was expecting big, flashy battles (although the battles are a bit goofy), but they didn't seem to contribute exceptionally to the plot (primarily character-driven) relative to the amount of time spent on them. On the other hand, having too little focus on such clashes would cheapen Shana's role as a Flame Haze as well as reduce the audience's opinion of the viewpoint from which she is coming from. That said, I guess SnS is a bit more diluted than it should be, rather than having done any particular story element so poorly as to warrant heavy flaming. With respect to the subject of loli... Yes, Shana is undoubtedly in the loli category when they portray her in an abject or sexual way (slightly cyclical here, but better to get the point across through redundancy). Disregarding her age, she is clearly shorter than her 'class-mates' - Ep3, ~09:00 when she leaves the classroom; Ep.9 ~12:50 when walking in the water park; and official site lists her as more than 10cm shorter than Kazumi. She's flat/relatively hipless, and her features and expressions are depicted similarly to the rest of the characters that are Yuji's age (so she's unlikely older than them, although facial features aren't a good indication of age in anime, as we all know). Within the context of the show, she clearly possesses a body that is of lesser physical maturity than the rest of the school-going cast, and by logical inference, one that is of lesser age. Purely from observation, we can also speculate that her body is of a real-life equivalent to that of perhaps a 12 year old (maybe as old as 14, puberty and what not, I'm not expert). On the subject of fanservice... In the water park episode, Shana in a swimsuit is fanservice to the extent that wearing a swimsuit is out of character for her -- acknowledged in-story when Yuji's mother picks a suit for her -- and thus there is some amusement garnered by the audience in seeing our cold and stoic (thus far) heroine suitably garbed and placed in a situation that is quite opposite to that of her personality. The swimsuit itself seems like a typical "cute" style for a younger girl. On the other hand, Episode 4 constitutes loli fanservice. As for Episode 12's tentacles, that could be considered fanservice, too, as far as being a nod to the niche of the hentai world that focuses on that type of appendage (and its commonly depicted use of restrainment and... err.. yeah). |
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2005-12-28, 19:00 | Link #117 | |
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2005-12-28, 19:33 | Link #119 |
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Not that it's bad. The show's okay, but a bit overhyped.
I do agree with the thoughts that this show is well.... loli-fanservice. I got the feeling that this show was meant to appease certain "otakus" with their fetishes, but maybe it's just me, because almost any animes does that, with an add spice of typical big-boobs Majorly into the picture, big-boobs and lolicon galore, ep 9 comes to mind. And I also agree that the musics were way overblown and some of them just doesn't fit. They also seemed to try to make the story as angst as possible... My 2 cents... |
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And you forgot something else: Episode 11 also does constitute of fanservice. Remember the 'subtly added' bathing scenes? Still, I consider fanservice as a side-dish....nothing more. The most important aspect of the show would be character development, since the plot's moving a little slowly currently. |
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