2013-02-27, 14:16 | Link #26742 | ||
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Keep in mind. I agree that the whole Axis of evil thing was rather (monumentally) stupid. But it didn't exactly come out of nowhere. North Korea didn't just start being belligerent and crazy in 2002 after Bush gave the Axis of Evil speech. This was a good decades of shenanigans after the wall fell. More to the point. Even though the United States was rabble rousing about North Korea during the Bush administration, the South Korean policy at the time was one to maintain amicable relations. And they did ALLOT of things to try to keep relations warm. Quite frankly, it's rather strange that North Korea wouldn't cooperate with the South to protect themselves from the USA. But I think that's the real issue. America isn't the greatest threat to North Korea. South Korea is. And the mistake of the sunshine policy was in not realizing that South Korea doesn't HAVE to be a military threat to North Korea to still be an existential threat. It just needs to be the more prosperous Korean state, thus threatening the other states legitimacy. I think that's the reason why countries like Cuba and Vietnam have all together, adopted better to the end of the cold war. They don't have rival states that directly challenge the legitimacy of their rule. Quote:
The problem is that by this point, neither China or South Korea can afford to let North Korea fall. Both sides because it'd mean they'd have to take up the job of actively managing the place and the ensuing refugee crisis...and then China and South Korea would have to share a land border. I don't know how comfortable the South Koreans are being right next door to the China (plus side: Chinese less crazy. Downside: China isn't always friendly, and MUCH bigger), and I KNOW that the Chinese won't be happy with the US presence in the peninsula moving upwards northward to their border.
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2013-02-27, 16:25 | Link #26744 | ||||
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The lesson they(Iran and DPRK) got was that Iraq played by the rules and got invaded. If they want to survive (and I mean the regimes, not the nations), they need to be able to use the ultimate weapon. After all, once they have a Nuclear weapon they'll be safe, and so long as they don't have a nuclear weapon, the Great Powers can just land some armies and destroy them through conventional warfare. If Iraq had actually kept Nuclear weapons, Saddam might still be sitting in his Palace smoking cigars, so they think. For DPRK, they might also be thinking that by acquiring Nuclear weapons, they can threaten the US into lifting the crippling sanctions. Quote:
For the South Koreans part, the sunshine policy isn't necessarily a bad idea. The best way for them to see the peninsula reunified is for the North Korean people to rise up. However, I don't know if that's ever likely to happen the way things are going now. Quote:
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2013-02-27, 16:50 | Link #26745 |
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I'd point out that North Korea pulled out of the NPT before the US invaded Iraq, and did so because rumors that North Korea was making weapons grade uranium, resulting in an embargo of oil from the US as per a 1994 agreement based on the 1993 North Korean theat to leave the treaty to make nuclear weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_K...ss_destruction So 2003 wasn't the first time North Korea made noise about nukes.
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2013-02-27, 20:37 | Link #26746 | |
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Really. It's a bit Americano-centric to blame all of North Korea's behavior on the United States. There are PLENTY of countries that hate the United States/rubbed the USA the wrong way, but almost none of them are as fundamentally broken as Korea.
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2013-02-27, 21:06 | Link #26747 | |
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2013-02-27, 21:51 | Link #26748 |
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Same feeling for me too. The fundamental difference between other not-so-friendly countries (Venezuela, Cuba, etc.) and North Korea is that the others are a hell lot more pragmatic (and more forward-minded) than the Juche, always living with a paranoid mentality of the past.
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2013-02-27, 22:09 | Link #26749 |
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Most of the others do not spent anywhere near the amount of money on their militaries to even moderately threaten the United States. (That and in Cuba and Venezuela's cases, they are within what we consider our backyard under the Monroe Doctrine. Plus in Cuba's case, 90 miles is way too close for them to stirup anything without major backing).
North Korea has a massive army and spends way too much on their military, thus making them at least a moderate threat to overseas US forces, and a minor threat to the rest of he country if they can get a missile this far.
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2013-02-27, 22:40 | Link #26750 |
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I like how the topic of North Korea has been brought up for countless of times, with the very same points being brushed up over and over again and people just still don't get it. I read about this country who has been so cruel to their own people and behaving like dicks in international community. I think they'll collapse on their own, judging from what little I've gathered from internet and whatever my friends have told me. Barring that, we should just bomb them to oblivion because it will do wonders to the welfare of their oppressed people and the world peace in general.
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2013-02-27, 22:41 | Link #26751 |
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I think the real problem is if the state collapses. Refugees, hardened fanatics and "lost" soldiers streaming out of there as factions turn on each other.
That boy is desperate to make these comments. Something must have gone seriously wrong in the upper echelons of society. If it is factionalism, those bombs that are to be dropped better wipe out the entire population.
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2013-02-27, 23:07 | Link #26753 | |
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For me gradual reunification is the best way for Korea to be one. I drool at the prospect of North Korea's resources and cheap labors with South Korean capital. South should just send North few Starcraft videos and they will be amazed at our ability to manage workers and resources.
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2013-02-27, 23:16 | Link #26754 | |
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2013-02-27, 23:56 | Link #26755 | |
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I think the Korean reunification is a good solution ONLY if the North has enough lolis to compliment the South's bishoujo population.
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