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2009-09-22, 01:28 | Link #1922 | |
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About the whole ogling thing. Earlier on, I made a comment on how Reiji's IQ seems to drop by a few dozen points whenever adult! Cal's around. Then I tried to justify this by saying that he was just too busy admiring her figure to form coherent thought. Then I tried to establish precedent by linking this to Claudia, her "lush figure", and how easily she played Reiji earlier on. My "theory": if the two years of growth hadn't been so ridiculously kind to Cal, they would have reconciled and she would have lived. Does it make more sense now? Btw, we can't discuss "what ifs" but "chance" is perfectly alright? The moment you said there was no chance for Reiji to explain and I chose to disagree, we were all set to debate endlessly. Heh. Last edited by telamont; 2009-09-22 at 02:27. |
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2009-09-22, 01:38 | Link #1923 | |
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(I am in shame, but I didn'T watch City Hunter neither read it. ) Not to mention in real life it would never work. For example that showed in the video handgranate defiled the laws of physics. |
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2009-09-22, 03:35 | Link #1924 | |
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I still doubt anything Reiji could have said would have changed her mind. When you're blood is boiling along with being drunk, you are not in the mood to negotiate. She tried to shoot a dead guy who was just her imagination. Anger, hate, guns, and alcohol should never mix. And since Cal was stubborn as a muel, that just added more fuel to the flame. Now, if she wasn't drunk, and if Reiji honestly felt like he could get through to her...that might have had a different outcome. Regarding Reiji shooting the gun out of Cal's hand, or whatever, that wouldn't have worked. She could have easily pulled the other one. In the VN, she had two small guns and then the big one. I don't know if she had another small one on her in the anime, but the big one wasn't far away. In addition, if he only shot her in the shoulder or leg or wherever, she still has her gun and since she is a trained and skillful assassin, she knows how to keep her eye and gun on the target and not worry about wounds until the target is dead. ------- I'm a little mad that we don't have a summary this week...but it's understandable, since it's the last episode, and they don't want to give too much away. |
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2009-09-22, 06:22 | Link #1925 |
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How Drunk was Cal, the scene did show how Broken Cal was. Cal wasn't just lossing it because of the alcohol in that scene, but I agree it wouldn't of helped. Though Cal was Drinking, when she showed up in front of Reiji Her words were spoken normally and she was perfectly able to make her way to ellen and reiji on the bike. It might have such an effect that it could of slowed down her reaction time with shooting the gun. But at least to me It didn't give the impression she drank so much it would of had that much influense on the situation if Reiji was hell bent on explaining things to her and showing her in some form that he cared.
I agree with telamont and how Cal was on on the edge. Cal basically just admitted in words (Though we have seen some parts show that Cal is unhappy, alone and in pain, we never hear Cal admit to herself that she is in fact in much pain) that she just didn't want to suffer anymore that the pain has been to much while crying! (Then the scene ended, and we go to the Ellen+Reiij then Cal+Reiji Scene) She wasn't a lost case that couldn't be saved, she just admitted that she doesn't want to be in anymore pain. And if someone like say Reiji! was to give Cal Hope!! To Reach out to Cal and show her he cared. Her mind might Switch or weaken and perphaps only words might not work but, (there is a chance it might.. ) Reiji can take other options as well and show it with his actions. Reiji wasn't cornered into the fight and I'm not sure how much this would of matter, but just to note Reiji as a Phantom was looked at as a genius and as a Phantom could make good plans. And in theory he also had the advantage of suprize to use as well. As it showed when Cal finally Totally! Broke, in Reijis arms, she is capable of change. Even in the end Reiji never approached her and talked to her in any positive way, before she was Shot. You can say that she might of never believed him, but still he did never try. Though it might take a massive actions based on life or death or a combination of caring conversation and actions on reiji part to show that he in fact does mean it. Cant wait for next episode to see Ellen and Reiji current state of mind after this whole situation. Last edited by evil-samurai; 2009-09-22 at 07:46. |
2009-09-22, 07:05 | Link #1926 | |
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While we're going in circles talking about Cal, at least someone brought up something new here. lol.
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2009-09-22, 07:45 | Link #1928 | |
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He needed much of his willpower to be able to shoot her. You know what stands for determinator. stubborn as a mule and accomplishes his/her objective regardless the situation. That's what Reiji was at that scene. And the dream sequence and all showed how much he struggled inside to do it. But he saw no way out of it so he did it anyway. He can't allow himself the gamble to try to convince Cal at the last minute. It's not a game...you have only one chance. If he fails to convince her she simply attacks him...and if he starts to talk to her that way he loses his will to fight with her. So he's dead then...and so Elen. It's too much of a gamble. That's why I said he have to choose between either Cal or Elen. He choose Elen. |
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2009-09-22, 08:06 | Link #1929 | |
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Nail that into your brain: He DID NOT EXPLAIN ANYTHING. He PLEADED GUILTY AND THEREFORE STUPIDLY CONFIRMED CAL'S MISCONCEPTION ABOUT HIM. |
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2009-09-22, 08:12 | Link #1930 | |
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but in the end, he choosed to live, which is to settle Cal's problem and live on with Elen although i am not satisfy about how things turned out between him and Elen |
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2009-09-22, 08:20 | Link #1931 | |
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Cal: "You want to protect her even if you die. After abandoning me...I can't believe you have someone else that's so important to you. Reiji: "No, Cal...Back then I was..." and she punches his face before he could finish. Cal: "I'll kill you as you wish. However, I'll continue to torture you and make you feel pain before I kill you." I think it was pretty obvious that by now Reiji had no choice but to accept the fact that Cal changed and he couldn't do anything anymore to change it. He obviously tried to tell her what happened, but she didn't give him the chance.
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2009-09-22, 08:42 | Link #1932 | |
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I just realized, he is with one girl while he thinks the other is dead and then swaps.
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2009-09-22, 09:05 | Link #1933 | |
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I never felt the romantic vibe that some did with Elen iv always seen them as a brother and sister type. As before Reiji was like a big brother to Elen but now its as if the relationship has been reversed as Elen is playing the big sister protection role. I would call Reiji and Elen family they are family on a very deep level it just so happens to be surrounded by violence blood. The most romance i have ever felt from Reiji was with Mio. I think Mio instantly understood Reiji and as Cal chastise her for living in a safe and dream like princess world one thing never changed that was her faith and love in Reiji. A part which she had to explain to Cal who also loved Reiji but Cal never truly understood Reiji Mio did. Out of the girls in Reiji life i feel Mio would be the match for him if he could escape this world of violence with Elen being his and Mio's protector a role she would take on on her own because it would mean protecting Reiji's real smile a smile that he showed Mio several times while they were alone. I think SM is going to see what the combined RAGE of Ein and Zwei is really like. These two trained together have a deep connection and also attuned to each other strengths and weaknesses. Its not going to be so easy to kill them i think SM is going to learn a lesson about what a puppet can do and what a free thinking person who has something to protect can do.
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2009-09-22, 09:48 | Link #1935 | |
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I don't think Cal showed any sign of "change". She just accepted that she lost, and knew that if they met under different circumstances, things wouldn't have turned out like this. She even asks Reiji "Why are you so strong?" ------- I'm getting really tired of saying this, but CAL DID NOT WANT AN EXPLANATION. SHE DID NOT WANT ANY EXCUSES. SHE DIDN'T CARE. ALL SHE KNEW WAS THAT REIJI LEFT WITH HER MONEY AND WITH ANOTHER GIRL, AND SCYTHE'S REINFORCING THAT ONLY MADE HER HATE DEEPEN. Reiji could have tied her up, and gagged her, and explained, and she still wouldn't have forgiven him because she truly believed in him. Do you know how hard it is to trust and believe someone again after hurting them in a terrible way? Reiji may have thought she was dead, but he didn't look. He just skipped town, and that's the truth. How would he have explained to Cal why he didn't look, so that she forgives him? Cal thought he was dead at first, but she looked. IMO, the dream sequence was hers since she has the inner monologue about "in a dream" after they have drawn their guns. And in that dream sequence, she says that Reiji isn't so stupid as to just leave the area and not look for her...but in REALITY, he IS that stupid. |
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I'm referring to her inner monologue with the ghosts. She wanted to kill Elen and then burn out. I don't see Reiji on her death list anymore. He was not invited in the church. And still she burnt her Bugatti before entering. Quote:
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I mean, it's water under a bridge, but this is the main problem I have with Reiji in the Elen path: How he unintentionally, but with devastating result, screwed up dealing with Cal. I don't think the title has anything to do with a characters death. I think it just means that it's the Requiem for the title of "Phantom".[/QUOTE] |
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2009-09-22, 10:08 | Link #1937 | |
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The difference is that there, Reiji made real efforts convincing Cal, while here, he went for the showdown. I can understand his reasoning, but heck - your "it was all futile, it was the only way" sounds more like convincing yourself to me *shrug* |
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2009-09-22, 10:20 | Link #1938 | |
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Otherwise you should also mention the special particular scene the anime skipped between Reiji and Elen. That way he would have had more reason to kill Cal and protect Elen from her.
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2009-09-22, 10:24 | Link #1939 | |
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The "she wouldn't have listened anyway" didn't happen in the anime either.
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