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Sushi-Y · 2006-06-25, 19:22

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Originally Posted by C.A.

This chapter is really long, I know that, but the anime really left out alot of details this time. Though the most important parts, Haruhi telling her past and Itsuki's conversation with Kyon are very well presented.

A large chunk of the novel wasn't included after they went into the closed space. They skipped alot of Kyon's observations, since they didn't show how they got onto the roof of the building etc. They didn't present the silence and lifelessness of the closed space well enough. Because of this, the effects which should happen when the close space collapses didn't deliver itself. It was supposed to appear really loud and sudden because of the silence before. Also Imouto-chan is supposed to appear as well.

Think about it in reverse: would you rather have them cut out parts from Haruhi's confession or Koizumi's explanation just so they can show "Kyon and Koizumi walking to a building rooftop" or "Kyon describing an environment that we can see for ourselves"?

Same for Higurashi, it's easy to notice the parts that were left out and not notice how the episode is already packed with contents as it is.

Having said that, I think both Haruhi's confession about herself and Koizumi's long-winded theory (this IS his turn for denpa-talk, after all) were nicely done. Even through Koizumi's talk, which can either intrigue you or totally bore you, the anime was kept "moving" by various small things happening outside the car (cars passing by, potrayals of traffics).
(I'm happy to see they made Arakawa-san the driver

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Anyway, next week is the final episode, and then this festival will come to an end too.

I laughed at the preview (for those who get it):
Haruhi: "次回、涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱第6話！"
Kyon: "違う、次回涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱第14話、涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱Ⅵ。　じゃまたな"
Haruhi: "お風呂入れよ、歯磨けよー" Kyon: "私たち普通の女の子に戻ります"

Haruhi: "我がSOS団は永久に不滅でーす！" Kyon: "来週も見てくださいね(?) ジャンケンポン"
Haruhi: "バカー!" Kyon: "あ、見えねっ"

C.A. · 2006-06-25, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Think about it in reverse: would you rather have them cut out parts from Haruhi's confession or Koizumi's explanation just so they can show "Kyon and Koizumi walking to a building rooftop" or "Kyon describing an environment that we can see for ourselves"?

Same for Higurashi, it's easy to notice the parts that were left out and not notice how the episode is already packed with contents as it is.

They need not cut any of the material shown in this episode, but if they did the same to this episode as episode 10. I'm sure by removing the OP, the extra 1 minute plus will be more than enough to show more of Kyon's observations.

Importantly they fail to show how silent the space is. Kyon mentioned that the silence made their voice sound very clear and its very uncomfortable. The inclusion of a bgm in the closed space before the shinjin appears wasn't a good choice. But I must say that the actions of the shinjin was extremely well done and its bgm was great.

Also I was actually surprised to see a car in the closed space, because its mentioned in the novel that there was no vehicles.

Sushi-Y · 2006-06-25, 19:52

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Originally Posted by C.A.

They need not cut any of the material shown in this episode, but if they did the same to this episode as episode 10. I'm sure by removing the OP, the extra 1 minute plus will be more than enough to show more of Kyon's observations.

It's not standard practice to remove OP/EDs unless there's a very good reason for it (to give the episode a dramatic/movie feel, for example). They're not normally "expendable" segments.

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Originally Posted by C.A.

Importantly they fail to show how silent the space is. Kyon mentioned that the silence made their voice sound very clear and its very uncomfortable. The inclusion of a bgm in the closed space before the shinjin appears wasn't a good choice. But I must say that the actions of the shinjin was extremely well done and its bgm was great.

Sure, Kyon's description of the place is important in the novel, because we can't see the space for ourselves. But since the environment is presented visually in the anime, Kyoani probably deemed it to be unnessary for Kyon to be blabbing away at things (like how "the world turned gray" or "all the people are gone") that we can see for ourselves.

Of course, it'd be nice to hear what Kyon's thinking, as well as more emphasis on the "silence", but it's nothing critical. It wouldn't be fair to expect Kyoani to deliver everything all the time.

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Originally Posted by C.A.

Also I was actually surprised to see a car in the closed space, because its mentioned in the novel that there was no vehicles.

The cars are still there, they're just not moving (走り出す車も一台もなかった).

C.A. · 2006-06-25, 20:24

Well, throughout the show, we already know that there's alot of material that were not shown, but this episode lacks a little more. The silence can be easily emphasized by not having a bgm while they are talking in the closed space, make their voices echo a little, the bgm can then come with the shinjin and be silent again after the battle. Then at least when Itsuki wants to show Kyon the magic, the returning of the the street sounds would at least sound more powerful.

I'm not sure, maybe its my visualisations of the closed space when I read the novel thats causing me to think in such ways.

Anyway I checked about the car:

Japanese version: There's not a single car moving.
Chinese version: There's not a single car moving on the road.
Bakatsuki English version: There's not a single vehicle on the road.

Translation errors maybe?

Kenshinyoh · 2006-06-25, 20:41

noooo just one more T_T

Pakxenon · 2006-06-25, 21:36

I'll have to wait for this to be subbed before rating it. Right now it's sitting at a 7-9. ><

I thought the piano really brought out Haruhi's monologue, but Itsuki's part was disappointing, especially with the Closed Space. I also blame that it was still sunset and the streets weren't crowded.

PhantomX · 2006-06-25, 21:54

The music was real nice throughout this episode excluding the part at Asakura's apartment complex.

Major Kerina · 2006-06-25, 23:25

I liked the music there, very Hitchcockian in theme, disharmonious.

rain... · 2006-06-26, 00:13

Gave the episode an 8. For me, what made out for long conversations were the good execution of the accompanying music. Especially made the scenes with Itsuki a lot less draggy.

I noticed that Arakawa was the cab driver - I'm pretty sure that's him right?

Pakxenon · 2006-06-26, 01:08

Yeah... it was weird how the taxi driver can hear what they're saying and not comment when I was reading the translations. I guess KyoAni just solved it right there, as well as because they showed Remote Island Syndrome already, people now know. o_O

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2006-06-26, 01:10

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Yeah... it was weird how the taxi driver can hear what they're saying and not comment when I was reading the translations. I guess KyoAni just solved it right there, as well as because they showed Remote Island Syndrome already, people now know. o_O

Actually, the novel has already pointed out that the driver is working for Itsuki's organisation, when they left the cab without needing to pay for the trip.

Major Kerina · 2006-06-26, 03:15

Someone posted an analysis on a couple of blogs for Haruhi which I was really struck by although with episode 13 stuff I haven't watched yet but from what I've seen, it really clicks for me

Spoiler for Click Here For Spoiler:

M.D. Geist · 2006-06-26, 06:42

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Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

It's not standard practice to remove OP/EDs unless there's a very good reason for it (to give the episode a dramatic/movie feel, for example). They're not normally "expendable" segments.

This made me wonder...
I couldn´t name any other anime which did that.

The kinda random episode order is another unique thing Haruhi has to offer...

Or I haven´t watched enough anime yet ^^

Sheba · 2006-06-26, 07:22

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Originally Posted by M.D. Geist

This made me wonder...
I couldn´t name any other anime which did that.

The kinda random episode order is another unique thing Haruhi has to offer...

Or I haven´t watched enough anime yet ^^

Gungrave did it, for the final episode.

Lost · 2006-06-26, 08:34

Mai HiME and Otome did it too, for the last episodes.

I didnt see any indication as to this in the previous posts; so, may I ask what chapter of the novel is this episode taken from?

C.A. · 2006-06-26, 08:37

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Originally Posted by Lost

Mai HiME and Otome did it too, for the last episodes.

I didnt see any indication as to this in the previous posts; so, may I ask what chapter of the novel is this episode taken from?

Chapter 6 of novel 1, a very long chapter. So long, kyoani had to spread this chapter over 2 episodes

Lost · 2006-06-26, 08:43

Thank you

I see, so #13 and #14 would be from the same chapter? From what I've read on this thread, fitting that they chose to end this season with this chapter.

C.A. · 2006-06-26, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Lost

Thank you

I see, so #13 and #14 would be from the same chapter? From what I've read on this thread, fitting that they chose to end this season with this chapter.

Hmmm here's a list of how the prologue and 7 chapters are spread over the 6 episodes:

prologue + chapter 1 + chapter 2 = Episode 2
chapter 2 + chapter 3 = Episode 3
chapter 2 + chapter 3 + chapter 4 = Episode 5
chapter 5 + chapter 6 = Episode 10
chapter 6 = Episode 13
chapter 7 + epilogue(most probably) = Episode 14

Lost · 2006-06-26, 09:35

O.o Ah... gomen. So episode ten is really #4, and episode thirteen is really #5; both of them are linked. Makes sense now. Dang this shuffling gets to me all the time.

Biswa · 2006-06-26, 19:26

Definitely need to give a lot of support to the subbers for especially a dialogue heavy anime. So far the subbing has been beautiful and well articulated, so it really matched the tone of the voice. Only a couple more episodes for them to go, but it's been crazy. Looking very forward to this episode, but can wait indefinitely.
So how many episodes exactly to go? (i.e. how long is this show)

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2006-06-25, 20:24	Link #24
C.A. Absolute Haruhist! Artist Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 36	Well, throughout the show, we already know that there's alot of material that were not shown, but this episode lacks a little more. The silence can be easily emphasized by not having a bgm while they are talking in the closed space, make their voices echo a little, the bgm can then come with the shinjin and be silent again after the battle. Then at least when Itsuki wants to show Kyon the magic, the returning of the the street sounds would at least sound more powerful. I'm not sure, maybe its my visualisations of the closed space when I read the novel thats causing me to think in such ways. Anyway I checked about the car: Japanese version: There's not a single car moving. Chinese version: There's not a single car moving on the road. Bakatsuki English version: There's not a single vehicle on the road. Translation errors maybe? __________________ No longer a NEET so I'll not be online as often. Ignore gender and kick sexuality to the curb! I'm a big mecha fan, who keeps playing the SRW series. When I say 'My god...', god refers to Haruhi-sama. My art album updated 11th May 2013, Science. Deviant Art: http://ca0001.deviantart.com/

2006-06-26, 03:15	Link #32
Major Kerina Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Age: 42	Someone posted an analysis on a couple of blogs for Haruhi which I was really struck by although with episode 13 stuff I haven't watched yet but from what I've seen, it really clicks for me Spoiler for Click Here For Spoiler: "Haruhi simply wants her life to be extraordinary and fun. It's hard to be excited about life when your day to day life consists of doing the same thing over and over again. However, in the process of looking for an extraordinary life, Haruhi ends up ignoring the possibilities that ordinary life could also be fun from time to time. The irony of this, just like Kyon said at one time, the happiness she's looking for is actually right in front of her all of these times. She meets the alien, the time traveler, and the ESP user almost every single day. However, because deep down she believes that these people do not exist, she is unable to notice them. The implication of this message is actually rather sad because it means that unless one believes that they can be happy then it's likely that they'll never be happy. This is the reason why the series is called The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi. Because at its core, this is a story about a girl who is unhappy with her life. The story suggests that she probably possesses the power to change the world through her sheer wish but since she does not realise it, she does not derive satisfaction out of it. I can't help but thinking how this is actually a metaphor about how people often don't realise the power that they have to realize their own wish. The good thing about Haruhi is that she tries her best to realize her wish. The problem is, sometimes she does not believe that her attempt and ability will produce something special when she thinks her wish is unreachable to begin with." and also "Personally, I have experienced first-hand before what Haruhi has said in this episode as there was a time before anime where I’d start thinking about completely normal stuff and then my mind’s tends to wander and soon, I’d be asking questions like Haruhi did. Asking the same existentialism questions as Haruhi does put you in a state of high melancholy, and is why I think the series’ name is aptly selected from the titles in the books. This episode gives a very deep insight into Haruhi’s personality and her actions stem from her questions about herself and the meaning of life. The english saying, “There Is A Fine Line Between Genius And Insanity” is undoubtly suited for her as she has proven herself to be a talented person from the earlier episodes, and we can see here that Haruhi is definitely much more than just a costume-rapist and a UFO freak. While Haruhi provides an explanation for the source of her melancholy and her actions, it is Itsuki who reveals the true inner feelings of Haruhi’s current self, struggling against her desire to have “fun” (the id) and the common sense indoctrined in to her (the superego), explaning the reason of such ludicrous situation of which she is in right now, being surrounded by the very people she is desperately trying to meet, yet clueless about their existance at all. In a sense, Haruhi is just a very smart, yet insecure person, facing a constant battle among her id of which the Shinjins are an appropriate representation, and her superego which is Itsuki’s Organization, ironically generated by her own desires."

2006-06-25, 20:41	Link #25
Kenshinyoh Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	noooo just one more T_T

2006-06-25, 21:36	Link #26
Pakxenon popcorn Join Date: Jan 2006	I'll have to wait for this to be subbed before rating it. Right now it's sitting at a 7-9. >< I thought the piano really brought out Haruhi's monologue, but Itsuki's part was disappointing, especially with the Closed Space. I also blame that it was still sunset and the streets weren't crowded.

2006-06-25, 21:54	Link #27
PhantomX Tsuruya's Lover Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In Rider's Arms Age: 36	The music was real nice throughout this episode excluding the part at Asakura's apartment complex.

2006-06-25, 23:25	Link #28
Major Kerina Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Age: 42	I liked the music there, very Hitchcockian in theme, disharmonious.

2006-06-26, 00:13	Link #29
rain... Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Gave the episode an 8. For me, what made out for long conversations were the good execution of the accompanying music. Especially made the scenes with Itsuki a lot less draggy. I noticed that Arakawa was the cab driver - I'm pretty sure that's him right?

2006-06-26, 01:08	Link #30
Pakxenon popcorn Join Date: Jan 2006	Yeah... it was weird how the taxi driver can hear what they're saying and not comment when I was reading the translations. I guess KyoAni just solved it right there, as well as because they showed Remote Island Syndrome already, people now know. o_O

2006-06-26, 08:34	Link #35
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Mai HiME and Otome did it too, for the last episodes. I didnt see any indication as to this in the previous posts; so, may I ask what chapter of the novel is this episode taken from?

2006-06-26, 08:43	Link #37
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Thank you I see, so #13 and #14 would be from the same chapter? From what I've read on this thread, fitting that they chose to end this season with this chapter.

2006-06-26, 09:35	Link #39
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	O.o Ah... gomen. So episode ten is really #4, and episode thirteen is really #5; both of them are linked. Makes sense now. Dang this shuffling gets to me all the time.

2006-06-26, 19:26	Link #40
Biswa Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004	Definitely need to give a lot of support to the subbers for especially a dialogue heavy anime. So far the subbing has been beautiful and well articulated, so it really matched the tone of the voice. Only a couple more episodes for them to go, but it's been crazy. Looking very forward to this episode, but can wait indefinitely. So how many episodes exactly to go? (i.e. how long is this show)